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or is it even punker to not consider yourself anything? don't try to classify me, man
obviously i'm punk as fuck. you?
Often too scared to follow my dreams/impulses/desires, or to stand up for things I believe in.
Following your dreams is mainstream teenie bopper shit
and it's paraphrasing of a Big Lebowski line
conclusion: I'm not sure
I get a few mentions
dunno if it ever really was
doctor who merchandise and annoying bands with too many brass instruments
how self-consciously steampunk tries to be a subculture. I don't mind it as an aesthetic so much, but it seems that Internet users really like to run it so far into the ground that it's now just leaking out into the unknowable void space from a massive hole in the planet
but to focus in on it is pretty obtuse, I find. it's like a particular brand of designer wear - once the initial shock wears off, it just becomes something you sling on when you don't want to think
My gf's a fucking hippy, drives me mad. I'm so fucking punk I don't even care about the fact that I HATE HIPPIES. Funk as puck
Punk is musical freedom. It's saying, doing and playing what you want. In Webster's terms, 'nirvana' means freedom from pain, suffering and the external world, and that's pretty close to my definition of Punk Rock.
it's a bit more than what you say, though - it's an intelligent opposition to the quotidian tyrannies that divide the Powerful from the Subjugate - it's a strike from outside the Establishment.
Prog, for instance, was basically the first time self-taught, non-classically-trained musicians could get together and make sidelong suites, 'classical music', symphonies, whatever you want to call it. It was the people taking back complex music.
Not sure you can really say that. It might be an unjustified stereotype, but most prog musicians came from a public school then music school background.
a lot of these bands drew from both wells - musical educations meeting with the self-taught. does it really matter about the exact proportion given the revolutionary art many of them produced?
there's a wealth of interesting material to be found in the RIO movement - Henry Cow etc - think I might dive in more commitedly than in the past
does that make me a punk?
anarchy has too many rules for me
if that answers your question?
they became a posh band for the posh kids at my school
whenever I buy a coffee from a large corporate chain I NEVER get one of those poncey cinnamon flavoured frappacino things, always get something harder like a cappuccino or latte #PAF
less than the recommended donation #PAF
instead they contacted me and I paid back the money immediately #PAF
It's all very DIY.
you are anal about cleaning and grooming and stuff
is pretty punk
wonder who the punkest person on DiS is. probably either CillaCrack or tiramisu. or Cementimental. idk.
Im very similar to zxcvbnm actually
yeah it's probably grouchy, bless him and his fury
*now* I remember the hardcore marxist ecowarrior cru. <3
he's the antichrist of DiS. respect extended
i'm not an angry person at all. ~ 90% sure this meme has taken off because it was easy to make a pun on my old username
i would say i am quite punk though, in that i do largely agree with what i think the important characteristics of punk are:
1) suspicious towards being told what to do, to the point where i will do the opposite
2) use of the cheapest and easiest technology
3) emphasis on 'just getting on with things', as opposed to discussing things over and over, and where by 'things' i mean practical tasks that are surmountable
4) suspicion of overblown, grand gestures (such as prog albums, or metaphysical systems)
at which point I'd contend your use of 'overblown' - sometimes a monstrous expression is required to fully articulate a challenge to the status quo
was intended complimentarily
if you have to question whether you are, then you're not.
Les Rallizes Denudes, probably.
...yeah, not *un*-punk, exactly...
if you look at it as being deeply aware of your own culture and upbringing whilst at the same time reacting against it, I'd say there aren't that many bands which are more punk. Pet Shop Boys maybe.
it's The KLF, obviously
not at all, my friend. The KLF's performative aspects - kidnapping journalists, machine gun at the Brits, hijacking the Turner Prize  - work as critiques of the music industry, using the tools of the spectacle to critique (a proper critique, in which the action changes the subject ) the music industry in a subversive way. clearly these are overblown, grand gestures but they are clearly overblown, grand gestures which are suspicious of overblown, grand gestures (vis a vis marx, hofstadter, hegel) and thus fill the criteria of being punk in about the most punk way possible
 I'm not including the burning of a million pounds (their most obviously overblown gesture) as, from all reports of the incident (from themselves and the guy who filmed it), they always meant for it be a cathartic, personal act and - when it became as famous as it did - used it instead as the subject of a touring debate (which is, by the way, punk fucking rock)
 Critique Of Everyday Life Pt. 1, Henri Lefebvre, 1945
they're punks in a sort of Byronic sense, then - being deeply and integrally part of a culture whilst reacting against it from that pedestal.
no, that's not what i'm saying.
Sinking into the freezing North Atlantic, icy death imminent, give a shit. Play the fuck on, lads.
Exploited records, I've them all
Crass posters cover my wall,
GBH are gods of all
Lace up my Docs and I'm all set,
But can you please tell me...am I punk ?
john maus 'theses on punk rock'
love this bit:
"The punk rocker, through their moment, absolutely embraces the absolute denial of any absolute as creativity, and so defeats the nihilist, the ironist, and/or the cynic, who do not embrace this, but rather concile themselves to the dominance of evil in the world"
and this extract shows me I'm going in the right direction
"Contrary to what many maintain, we are not one, we are multiple. Punk rock, like every truth, gives finitude, first, in the work as an infinite convergence, the inability to achieve total immanence in the work, and second, in the work’s singularity. Here, firstly, the work is the impossibility of total immanence, that is, total immanence by total communication; it therefore has at its core the trembling edges of finitude, it thus opens and gives an always other than me. Secondly, the work is the interruption of every general and every particular, in constellation with similar interruptions"
we must reconcile all-is-one with all-is-at-odds. In recognising multiplicity we are able to construct multi-faceted edifices of culture and relationship that account for our commonalities AND our differences. energies do not always converge; there is always - MUST always - be some escaping - a Counterforce, if you will
you can have that claim once, but not twicely, unchallenged.
but I have to face it. I do not just feel at home in an industrial/post industrial landscape, i actually feel better in wilderness (although brownfield sites turning to green are wonderful.....old bombsites were my childhood paradise)
Mrs Knees was a lovely gippy when I met her (goth hippy)
we all used to wear doc martins....i guess people who wear converse (vans?) think they are the punks today........dont you just love the reduction of something down to fashion? ;D I first railed against all the goth wear and rebel wear that is now marketed to all and sundry, it didnt used to be like that, you had to make your own clothes, but marketing knows no real boundaries and in that respect is far less acknowledging of boundaries than we as individuals can normally hope to be. It is now virtually impossible to subvert conventionality of garb, it seems that the only truely punk garbed person nowadays is the naked rambler, because he does it despite and not caring how it alienates him.
Although of course many people are in the situation where they repel others, but perhaps only because thei appearance indicates poverty or desperation.
Sorry of course its more than a look.....but, we are a very visual society, and this therefore generates attitudes towards ourselves. If you can blend, then you do not constantly see the barriers that societies really do put up which can be as impentetrable as a steel door, you do not really 'SEE' as someone who is denied 'belonging' to society can see, sure there are many many many idividuals who are as isolated and detached from society as can be (in their own minds) and yet they look as if they could belong (if they could only not be so depressed)
sorry, just thought i should add a bit of some less intellectual stuff, because even people with lower iqs can be punks too
how can these kids possibly shock? :)
nah this is all spot-on and hence intellectual
even the naked rambler has a 'look' though - backpack, sweaty bollocks
i guess the best way to counteract a society that judges overwhelmingly on appearance is to strenuously try to avoid doing so - to be conscious at all times. or write a novel castigating our visual dogmatism -_-
if that's branding it's as benign (or positive) as it gets, imo. 'cardiacs t-shirt' is not shorthand for 'i'm a pronk scene kid, loser'
I have tattered examples that i will never throw out, no matter how knackered/moth eaten.
fuck off, cunt
always loved the Beats.
gotta have a system
as the Sealed Knot.
I'm allergic to most things. they inflame my senses. chronically punk. :(
see also - meta/meme/those other weird words
do you consider yourself hunk?
do you consider yourself sunk?
do you consider yourself pink?
do you consider yourself Pink?
YOU'RE ALL BANNED
i consider myself wood. as does all of DiS' mums.
THEY'RE ALL RANDY.
would you consider yourself part of the family?
Crumbs! Imagine that.
mostly i am referring to the DIY punks when i say that, rather than the cider swilling layabouts
No longer lapping up Satan`s spunk.
I'm ALL about sticking it to the man! YEAH! *spits*
I had a pint in Brew Dog once
I own the first Daft Punk album
I like the aesthetic/mindset though.
it clearly isn't, but trying to pretend it is, is.
so it isn't punk.
conformist cunts *spits*
so no, i'm out
Punk'd came on. She now understands my hatred of Ashton Kutcher.
to start with it was dressing outrageously, saying "fuck you" to the establishment. Now it seems to mean using your local greengrocer and riding a bike everywhere.
I like punk rock, grew up listening to it, but I work for a large company 9-5, shop in supermarkets a lot of the time (despite trying to support my local businesses as much as possible), act like a normal human being. So probably not, no.