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That's yet another thing sean has ruined for us.
Celtic v Morton is a tie close to my heart as Morton is my local team. I think I'm going to turn down my celtic ticket and sit with my pals from Morton instead.
so I'm going to sit with friends at Celtic. Bye bye morton mates.
i like predicting those sorts of squads. especially cos this time ours should be LITTERED with teenagers.
Bellerin - Hayden/Ajayi - Vermaelen - Monreal
Arteta - Frimpong
Miyaichi - Akpom/Bendtner - Eisfeld/Gnabry
We'll almost certainly lose
Jose was quite a big believer in the power of winning a trophy early doors last time round.
Bertrand Luiz Cahill Azpilicueta
Willian De Bruyne Mata
APPARENTLY one youth player is likely to get a game, and Lewis Baker wasn't included in his age group's game yesterday despite being a first-choice for them.
Beating United will make people forget he lost to Southampton (no it's not logical but that's the way it works). Same as the weekend probably, maybe with Ilori instead of Francois and Bitey instead of Aspas.
Shame about Frimpong :(
was really looking forward to seeing zelalem in a competitive game as well. Probably wouldve already featured by now if he was fit, tbf. fuck injuries, maaaaaaaaan
so it'll be interesting to see Greeny's approach. Richards and J-Rod will probably feature, but it'd be nice to see Boyata, Guidetti and Lopes get a bit of a run-around too. Although this is a REVENGE fixture isn't it? So probably the same 11 that started against United plus PANT.
Richards Boyata Lescott Kolarov
Milner Jovetic Lopes
Lopes didn't play for Paddy's ELITE DEVELOPMENT SQUAD last night so that looks likely. Game time for Rodwell and Jovetic is quite important.
Have you been getting the tram after games? What's it like midweek?
I beat the majority of the queue so was back in Chorlton in about 25 minutes. Presume it'll be relatively quiet tomorrow so I'd give it a go.
I won't be that near it, so I'll just see what the queues are like.
Rodwell in minor injury shocker.
Chambers - Yoshida - Hooiveld - Fox
Davis - Cork
Isgrove - Ward-Prowse - Ramirez
So either Shaw or Clyne or maybe even the young kid Targett at left back. Wouldn't be too surprised if J Rod or Ossie got some minutes to try and bag a few goals as well.
and even if they don't it might be Sinclair, seems as if Lee has been given up on now. Jack Stephens could get a game at the back as well
Saying that Lee has been working really hard and professionally and is back into consideration. Been scoring for the u21's as well. And we don't seem to have tried to get rid of him in the same way as Sharp.
Looking forward to hopefully seeing Reed, Rowe and Sinclair in the flesh for the first time. Reed in particular has looked pretty tasty in some of the highlights.
the nature of Utd's opposition and massive squad in general will mean no ressies get a game, and there is probably only Januzaj and M.Keane that would anyway. maybe W.Keane on the bench.
8 wins in 8 games, +18 goal difference. not bad for a previously middling-to-rubbish club
It's always funny watching clubs used to being Prem/1st Division mainstays marching into the lower leagues with their noses held high only to discover how tough keeping up in those leagues really is.
Just a point of pedantic clarification that they're in the league they're in because they're a below average team in the 4 tiers of the English professional football leagues. Middling-to-rubbish seems an accurate descriptive.
I'd love to see Orient storm up. They've been given a bit of a raw deal over the Olympic stadium so would be nice for them to compete on their own merits. Also, Barry Hearn isn't everyone's cup of tea but I like him.
...but they ducked out of the agreement later on.
Also, Leyton Orient are the closest club to the ground. With West Ham moving closer to their patch (with substantiallyy reduced overheads) they can feel rightfully aggrieved that this will result in a long-term drain on their supporter base.
Given the 'legacy' element of the bid, it would seem that the fairest option would've been to allow groundsharing between the two clubs but... I guess that's not really much of a consideration.
Can debate whether or not that's just `tough shit` or whatever - doesn't mean that saying they've gotten a raw deal out of it isn't accurate in part.
He's basically had an unchallenged run at mouthing off for the last 18 months because everyone else involved is legally constrained in what they can say.
This is *actually* how it played out for anyone paying attention - and bear in mind I quite like the idea of sharing with Orient, if he hadn't been such a plum about it all the way through.
1. Orient didn't bid originally because according to Barry himself the stadium was too big for them and not suitable for football
2. Orient support the Tottenham bid
3. West Ham awarded it, Hearn starts legal action based on public subsidies issues, still not interested in groundsharing
4. West Ham win it in the new round of bidding, Hearn then decides they want to groundshare. So at this point he's reversed course on every single one of his original arguments (Not suitable for football? Is now suitable for football. West Ham will destroy Orient, but Tottenham are fine. Too close to current ground? We'll move even closer and into the same stadium).
As it happens, West Ham don't even have a choice in the matter - the LLDC has to decide who goes in there and who doesn't. If Boris and co wanted them there West Ham would have to do it.
The logistics don't work either - football clubs need leeway for scheduling in case of cup runs, friendlies, play-offs etc. and that combined with the sheer number of League 1 games means the pitch will be a cabbage patch and scheduling a nightmare.
West Ham is in Newham, and the Olympic Stadium is in Newham. Orient are not. So they'd be the only ones moving boroughs in the whole process.
The man is a helmet in search of a payout, plain and simple.
I get called out by even the likes of Parsefone, fucking Parsefone ffs, when I do this. Tread lightly.
I hate Barry Hearn so, so much though.
*curls up into a ball and lies on the ground sideways*
Some reasonably substantial arguments there. Would probably be best for all concerned if they just took the stadium away and dumped it in Cornwall or something.
Although the stadium isn't officially in any borough is it? It's on the border of all 4 boroughs in the area. Even has its own postcode to avoid the issue, so any club who took it would be moving borough, in effect.
Hearn just hopes if he complains for long enough someone will pay him to shut up.
I do love the idea that West Ham moving from 3 miles away to 2 miles away will suddenly destroy their fanbase though.
If West Ham have enough seats to sell a lot of them cheaply, that will screw Leyton Orient. It's not proximity that poses a threat.
Also, given London's population density a mile probably does make a difference in terms of the amount of people supporting their 'nearest' club.
Still, shouldn't matter, no-one living in East London will a) like football or b) support a local team by 2020 anyway.
I doubt it makes a difference given half of West Ham’s crowd already travel past Orient to get to games anyway.
Like kids growing up around E10 and choosing to support the BIG CLUB in the SHINY BIG STADIUM, rather than their smaller, more local one? I dunno. Maybe it's not a genuine concern when looked at critically, but to me it makes sense. It's kind of a bit like the whole local newsagent vs Tesco argument in essence.
I think, to integrate your point from below, another thing is that if West Ham raised capital and built/relocated under their own steam that'd be more agreeable than getting the bonus of moving in to a stadium which has already been built which means they also get a state of the art stadium without paying very much for the privilege. Unless I'm missing something, it's reasonable to suggest a slight unfairness about that no?
Or maybe none of this will make a jot of difference to either club. And if Hearn has been a duplicitous tosser about it then, well, he doesn't really deserve anything out of it.
West Ham already are the BIG CLUB compared to Orient though even if the stadium’s not very shiny. The problem with all these arguments is that the Olympic Stadium’s already built. So it either stands empty, gets turned into another O2 or it gets Premier League football. If not from West Ham then Spurs, which would be a much greater threat to Orient’s fanbase (and potentially West Ham’s).
What good would it be to Orient to have 5,000 fans rattling around in a 50-60,000-seater stadium? I’d be happy to stay at Upton Park, but the idea Orient have been treated unfairly in all this just irritates me.
However, out of all the clubs involved in this they're potentially most likely to end up being the most adversely affected. Which is a bit of a raw deal for them, as I originally stated.
Probably best for it to be used as a gig venue. Everyone loves watching music in enormodromes right?
Essex are going to play 20/20 games there, and obviously it'll be used for athletics in the summer. West Ham are just tenants, among many.
In which case, I pity any club who eventually ends up with it.
I'm gotten hideously Zapsta about it all
by wading in on a topic I haven't adequately researched.
Definitely enjoyed you getting all indignant though. I'm actually a little bit turned on.
Just stick the Kings of Leon in there with a permanent residency and we'll pretend this never happened.
He's happy with this plan but only if he can drum for them.
the only reason anyone supports Orient is because it's cheaper, which is plainly bonkers.
And the location argument also doesn't hold up to much scrutiny - they've survived being 2 miles away from West Ham for 80 years*. Supporters clearly make a choice based on other factors.
*since a move from Clapton which probably did over Leyton FC for ironic history fans
But the pricing one isn't, because it's not about supporting a club because it's cheap- that's the wrong way of looking at it. Ease of ticket availability, however, is key to maintaining a healthy turnover of fans. A few of the larger PL clubs are currently struggling there, with their match-going fanbases getting older and older- financial pressures mean they can't increase their youth and family allowances, which in turn is hitting their long-term attendances. Smaller clubs can and do benefit from this.
umlaut's counter about Orient having to oppose any West Ham expansion on principle is just silly- the Olympic Stadium and its legacy is obviously a special case.
Not that I give a shit- West Ham can have the stadium for all I care.
after the stadium move. A percentage of their walk-up crowd is West Ham support anyway - there is (or was before he went full bellend on this) an unusual amount of goodwill between the clubs.
Like I said, in principle I genuinely would like to see a groundshare but it wouldn't work well for either party
When I was a kid Orient and Dagenham both played home games on alternate weeks to West Ham for this very reason. I actually had a West Ham and Orient season ticket simultaneously for a few seasons.
It’s not the argument I’ve heard made, but in that case Hearn’s going to have to oppose every plan West Ham ever have for expanding or building a new stadium.
Pulis, Mcleish and Mclaren. Mercifully for Sunderland fans they've already had their turn at employing Bruce and Mo'Neill.
Guy's a sniffer with a stupid hat and an infuriatingly burning misplaced sense of injustice, but he's at least shored a team up and kept them solid for an extended period of time. The others, though ... Mercy.
I don't think he'd have the time at Sunderland to do the same thing (although he'd probably do cartwheels at the prospect of managing Lee Cattermole) but I agree he's the tallest dwarf of that group.
Can't think of anyone less suited than Pulis to helming the flaky band of continental wallies they've put together there.
He'd fucking *adore* Altidore though
Weird, meths didn't CC me into his Ond?ej ?el?stka dossier ...
Not a workmanlike Grant Dalton or Steven Wallis-type name in the bunch.
Proven not to know how to handle single-name players either - Tuncay was out in the cold, Cabral has no chance.
Truly terrifying Pulis endgame stuff
Party's over everyone, Mr Fun Times has arrived
Are we still talking about Tony Pulis?
I think all Turkish players look like they have one name as their forenames are often used on their shirts, iirc.
Steve McClaren, Tony Pulis & Alex McLeish are apparently the realistic favourites for the Sunderland job.
apparently not interested due to the DoF having ultimate control over who gets to shit on which floor
First of all, I have nothing invested in Sunderland, so bringing in a safe but dour pair of hands does nothing for me. What you have at Sunderland is a largely untested but supposedly more technical group of players who are sick of being shouted at. McClaren is still a good coach and a more sympathetic man manager, so that fits well. He motivational skills are questionable and his tactics hit and miss, but all candidates are a gamble really. His appointment would make most sense given this summer's investment, and I'd be interested to watch them.
and needed someone to shore them up for a few months, but he's a terrible manager and would get them relegated.
But it's too up in the air for that...but I couldn't think of a manager who could guarantee survival for them. Odd that you suggest he's worse in the long term, when his best work has been done when given more patience (Twente, Middlesbrough). Whether he'd get that at Sunderland...idk.
and they arguably underperformed. As for his first spell at Twente, I still don't understand it, such a weird reverse-blot on his managerial record:
And if he, quite rightly, takes blame for England, Wolfsburg, Forest... then he should also get credit for that title win.
I also remember a few crap signings at Boro (something he'd be free from at Sunderland with the DoF), and although competition is now more fierce, Sunderland would surely fancy mid table security and League Cup wins/UEFA cup finals.
I'm being a bit tongue in cheek now, but if he continued his overall W/L/D record
this season, Sunderland would stay up.
is suddenly a crock of shit. Is he a genius visionary who will re-define how sport is played? Christ no..but hes got middlesborough to the UEFA cup final and won a decent european league with an unfancied club. People need to cut the guy some slack ffs. He'll be fine for Sunderland, and not being Englands saviour doesnt mean hes now a chump.
Not a bad choice but I can't help but feel disappointed since I got behind McClaren. Also, if Prem clubs are successful at getting players from overseas these days then why do the coaches usually still have to be based here. Why not try Guidolin from Udinese, for example?
with 'losing his job in less than a season on 3 seperate occasions'.
but his forest tenure will taint him forever in Nottingham Forest/Arsenal hybrid fans, I have to admit
you fairweather cunt
but usually it's more complicated than that and comes down to whether they're the right fit for a club at a given time or not. e.g. a lot of people seemed convinced that hughes would fail at stoke like they actually couldn't remember his record pre-qpr. he still might fail though and i have no opinion on steve mclaren
Jeff Stelling and Andy Gray with guests Tony Pulis and Glen Hoddle. Jason McAteer popped up occasionally as well. Pulis even stood out as being awful in THAT company.
That McLeish was sitting next to Moyes in the crowd and was talking intently to another guy sat next to him, seemingly pointing out players. ITK.
*him. him. him, you better believe I could drill the flair out of that one. him...*
Lovely news. If we start Ilori as is being rumoured, he doesn't want to face Mr perfect.
That seemed to wind up plenty of people
don't think RVP would have played yesterday anyway. Hernandez NEEDS to start and we have about 30 wingers/ams that need a game behind him.
dont you worry
And I fear him more coming off the bench. Rooney hasn't had a good game against us for years, rvp always does well against us. If his chips were down and Moyes needed to change it, it's good that he can't call on him.
Suarez is back. United are in crisis.
Stick the company payroll on 8-0. Aspas hat trick.
you heard it here first chaps
don't fight it feel it
Welling away it is.
has signed for West Didsbury AFC. They are in the amateur Manchester Saturday Morning Football League division 1
Big rivalry, that.
played in a reserve match and nothing else came of it. strange one that.
in the sense that the games are so utterly pointless, i'd be in favour of scrapping it. it's probably the only tournament going where most fans genuinely don't care if their team wins, and in fact many would rather they didn't.
that said, it gives people a chance to get to games when they wouldn't stand a chance of getting tickets or being able to afford them for Premier League or Champions League games. it's about four years since a PL or CL game didn't sell out well in advance at Eastlands and tickets are around £40 on average. with no demand for League Cup ties, and tickets capped at £20, it's certainly more family/armchair fan friendly.
think i'm *just about* in favour.
Agree on the pointlessness, but doesn't the lack of importance weirdly make it more interesting? You see young prospects, fringe players you forgot existed and so on, all in a stress free environment. Plus any tournament that can provide us with something like Bradford beating Arsenal is fundamentally worthwhile.
bradford and tranmere in finals, always silly scorelines, changes it's name to even more ridiculous sponsors every few years, pelanty shoot-outs in september. what's not to like?
doubt it, bud.
as about 70% of the country do.
I'm betting that whilst 70% of people do support a top 6 team, a good percentage will be alongside another club.
I understand why bigger teams would prefer it gone but for tinpot teams, scrapping it would take away one of the few things they conceivably have a chance of ever winning. It has been essentially that way for many years anyway, but with FFP the league is now unwinnable for anyone not already on the ladder.
But if they were to officially turn it into what it already unofficially is with some kind of U23 + 3 senior players rule it would be brilliant
Doubt most English clubs would particularly care, but I think it'd add a bit more interest to it (both from fans and the media/sponsors).
wanted to ask you for some accumulator tips. i've been having rotten luck with my accys for months now, and you've had about four £500+ winners that i can remember. what's your trick, bud? the bets i've seen you post i'd never back - too many legs per bet, results i wouldn't go for, etc. do you go with form, value, gut instinct, what?
thanks in advance.
I wasn't great last season, won a few bets £100ish but nothing too big. It's mostly just getting very lucky 5 or 6 times (in the probably well over 500+)
Just check recent results on bet365 etc. I think the 6 or so in my last accumulator that won all seemed like they could definitely happen
i allow myself £20, normally put 4 or five accumulators on, but lately i've been thinking i might as well just stick that £20 on a double and win something most weeks.
one main accumulator of about £4/5, a goals galore that's £2/3 and a few stupid things at a quid each
in every sense
you've got a lot to offer.
but good effort anyway. Shows hunger.
i've never seen that before. should've been a pen but he shouldn't have been allowed to pull his
Even against this side, he looks rubbish.
the new Aaron Ramsey, you could say.
By quite a stretch. I know it's often a case of when he can be bothered but no other player is anywhere near as well-rounded as yoyo.
was pretty crap at Bournemouth though. Quick with a terrible, terrible finish
Related to my chat yesterday, I started my new job today and Lo there was another Norwich fan and he was a complete Jeb-end
Or miss Glasgow I dunno
what they really lack is a decent number 10 to link their attacks. Willian would've been ideal but he'd rather sit on the bench for Chelsea.
can't see any other way out of this mess
and I doubt Holtby is either.
everyone's doing it
Scored 20, conceded one.
Hopefully the new squad will gel soon.
Crystal Palace (won 0-1), Dinamo Tbilisi (UEFA Cup), Swansea (home, won 1-0), Dinamo Tbilisi (UEFA Cup), Arsenal (Lost), Norwich (home), Tromso (home, UEFA Cup), Cardiff (won 0-1), Villa (League Cup).
Almost as unmentionworthy as Arsenal's "great run" away from home - Bayern (dead rubber), Swansea (post their first ever trophy, middle of a 1-win-in-12 run), West Brom, Fulham, QPR (worst ever Premier League side), the poorest Newcastle team in 20 years, Fenerbahce, Fulham, Di Canio's Sunderland, Marseille.
That must be some kind of record.
i *might* have second thoughts about wanting you to finish 20th
but these tattooing disasters crop up with suspicious frequency these days.
let a lone a starting job