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I mean people who adopt the whole economic model.
think theres a few librarians too
the trick is to filter it all out then make a joke about her age.
I was going to make a librarian joke.
might be easier
I'm a librarian!
Which he swiped from my Facebook.
I'm a librarian. But I work for a law firm. So I'm basically evil :(
but those political spectrum tests beg to differ.
»I am anti-state, but I'm no anarchist. I believe strongly in personal liberty and in giving people the tools to do things themselves, and trusting them to do so. Obviously, not everybody can, and so a just society needs to help those who need it. Therefore, I'm a free-market supporting liberal verging on libertarian.«
pre-emptive "you're a tosspot"
But overall, I find it a pretty immature Political Ideology
I mean John Locke and Sarah Palin are both rather different...
I actually believe that the majority of people are instinctively both libertarian and socialist, and that most people's political views are based on how they reconcile these two differing/seemingly opposed instincts.
Reminds me of Alain DeBotton...
I have no such shackles, nor do I purport to be saying anything profound.
Im not sure you can contrast the guy from lost with a tea party loonytune
with individual rights/freedoms yadda yadda.
But don't know how this logically extends to everyone being "free" to carry around home-made pipe bombs, or how so many essential institutions would then have to survive solely on charitable donations.
Hence why people are involved in a kind of endless reconciliation of how freedoms/responsibilites should and can co-exist.
Cos I've always thought of myself as liberal and I've always seen it as similar to socialist/left wing.
Ie. I believe in social fairness, against right wing style government control like censorship/snooping on people etc, generally not being a prick and doing what we want so long as it doesn't hurt others.
NOW - often on here people talk about libertarian hand in hand with Tories/right wing attitudes. Which confuses me. Is that soley in a econonmic and capitalist sense (ie fairly unregulated)?
Or are liberal and libertarian different things altogether?
you're right about liberals
the libertarian right believe that the free market, with no government interference, will solve world problems, because it's "human nature" for people to be selfish and if we just let them pursue this then suffering would stop (originally because it's God's will for this to happen, but nowadays you also have weird social Darwinists in this group). importantly they still believe in private property, i.e. people should be allowed to own the 'means of production'.
the libertarian left aka anarchists/libertarian communists (not sure if there is an important difference between these two groups) look to destroy private property as well as the state, capitalism, work etc etc
are just selfish bell-pieces who either can't recognise their own privilege, or can and don't care.
but i just find most of its vocal proponents a bit swivel-eyed
UKIP/Jeremy Clarkson etc. are probably the best examples of this curious (and horrid) strand of (modern?) libertarianism.
They all seem to be mad keen on repealing the smoking ban in public places too. Probably the most evident example of the `selfishness` of their thought.
Another way to look at it, while still a gross simplification, is to introduce an authoritarian/liberal axis. It's not an ideal way to look at it, but it's better than nothing.
In terms of liberals/libertarians, they share a common belief that the state should not intrude on personal liberties, but the dividing line seems to come down to the difference between those who are social liberals (i.e. pro-choice, anti-racist, anti-homophobic etc.) and those who are also economic liberals (i.e. no state provision, no safety-net etc.).
In truth, many of those who call themselves Libertarians are actually socially conservative (pro-life, homophobic etc - more like the Neo-conservatives) while also being pro-corporations and pro-government if it benefits those corporations. It's no coincidence that the so-called Tea Party is not really a grass-roots organisation, but is instead a huge political machine funded by large corporations and very wealthy businessmen, primarily motivated by the desire to reduce their tax bill and lower the cost of labour.
The conservative, pro corporation libertarians sound like standard republican/tory right wingers with a nicer name.
i.e. economically, and I think the term liberal it's still used in this sense in quite a few european countries
but in England it's pretty much entirely used in a the sense you use it now (deriving from American usage? I dunno)
gotta be Margaret Thatcher (aka. T-Mazzle aka. T.A Maracas) for me
especially the bit about her dying sad, and alone, and penniless, and unable to afford private healthcare.
now THERE was someone who lived and died by her principles.
the third great philosophic death, after Socrates and Spinoza
We all love him right?
US college students going through a phase? It seems like a very American thing to me.