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Referring to themselves as a Yid isn't racist is it....
when no one here does
who would've thought it figured?
On your throbbing bell end.
...if a team from a prodominantly black area (let's say Brixton) openly chanted the 'N-word' then they'd be shut down immediately.
I went to a very jewish school in a very jewish area ans many of my jewish mates support Tottenham. But I always thought it weird to call themselves Yids.
idk, it was a pretty taboo word when I was growing up.
that's ok isn't it?
Who try to run game on a yid
When I was 13 I thought Yid was just a nickname for Spurs fans. We went on holiday with a Jewish family to their villa. On the wall was a picture of one of their relatives in a Spurs shirt. I asked if he was a yid. The man turned round to me and said "yes he is jewish". It then dawned on me...
to tackle other supporters using the word 'yid'- David Baddiel was the face of a campaign that ran in football grounds around London (saw it in the flesh at Chelsea, England and West Ham games but have been told it was at Arsenal and even Fulham) trying to persuade people against its use. It was a fairly high-profile campaign so far as that sort of thing goes.
I'm not sure the whole 'malicious intent' thing is of any real relevance. There are, unfortunately, anti-Tottenham songs featuring the word 'yid' or 'yiddo' that make specific reference to Judaism still alive and well. The vast majority, though, aren't explicitly anti-semitic. The same way Tottenham fans calling themselves 'yids' isn't explicitly anti-semitic. That doesn't make them all right.
and some Arsenal fan singing, "Hitler was a Gooner...". Sounds about as low as anything like that can get. :(
seems like it would be inappropriate in many situations but actively offensive?
don't think I've ever heard anyone actually using it in real life though
rather than Jews. Obviously there's a lot of anti-semitism out there but I recall at primary school in the 80s it was a problem and people, particularly the NF types, would use 'Yid'. It's a very WWII nasty term, I think.
came on the news last night and said, 'if you don't like the burqa, you can go and wear it in a Muslim country'.
despite admittedly singing songs with 'yiddo' in it at games etc. I don't use it outside of the ground/a footballing context though as i think its different and could obviously cause offence to people.
You're never going to get a consensus on this type of thing as there are plenty of Jewish Spurs fans who are fine with, plenty who aren't and plenty of people outside of football who find it offensive. However if you're looking for a subtle nuanced point about racism to come from a football chant then you're obviously not going to get it. The chants obviously come from a good place and whilst a bit clumsy and potentially offensive i think there are far more malicious things in football that need concentrating on. See Spurs fans being attacked in Europe last season for the Jewish connection and bastards fans from other clubs hissing and chanting anti-semitic songs (West Ham last time they visited for example)
tl;dr - Yes the chants are clumsy and i'm a bit wary of the Spurs fans campaigning for possession of the word, but tbh there are loads of obvious examples of racism/homophobia/sexism/ableism in football that go unchallenged.
Maybe i'm just being defensive as it's my team. I dunno.
"If opposition supporters were to use the word it would cause offence, they argued." Because obviously Spurs fans started using it as a response to anti semitic abuse in the first place, Seems a bit off to blame Spurs fans for other fans racially abusing Jewish Spurs fans.
If the Spurs fans had dropped the Yid thing a decade ago, I doubt the West Ham support would be chanting anti-semite stuff at games today, because it would no longer be such an easily grasped shitty stick. In no way does it make those fans right, but if you're deliberately perpetuating a racist term it means that term is always in the forefront of the minds of yobs who want to get at you. This is compounded by the fact it's a singular football club doing this rather than, y'know, the Jewish community at large, making the whole thing fairly uncomfortable.
although i guess abuse would be less widespread then and easier to combat. I guess some fans possibly don't realise the severity and are using it as abuse in the way that anything is used as abuse against a rival. Not that that excues it and the hissing stuff for example is clearly reprehensible and i think the people who do that sort of thing would do it anyway. Ultimately I feel Spurs shouldn't have to play down a Jewish connection to placate racists. The chants are obviously not the best way of celebrating that connection though yeah
There's a lot of anti-Spurs songs that use the 'y' words but aren't particularly or explicitly ant-Semitic. Most of them don't make any reference whatsoever to Judaism or Jewish people. When your average Chelsea or West Ham* meathead billiously screeches 'yiddo' at Spurs fans during the game, the association they're implying is that 'yid'/Spurs fans = cunt, not Jewish people = cunt. The conflation is still there though, and it's something that Tottenham fans using the term to identify themselves is complicit in.
*I'd suggest the outwardly anti-Semitic chants (hissing, that fucking horrible 'he's only a poor little yiddo' one) are a different matter.
That is *not* their purpose.
He's pretty fast though