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Not long enough
not sure they'll ever get out, tbf
Can't understand how a mother could be that cruel. Telling the school not to feed him because he had a rare eating disorder or whatever. poor little kid.
Some of them are neglect - just not doing the very basic things like feeding and clothing kids and giving them a slap when they ''misbehave''.
Some of them are religious/cultural craziness like Victoria Climbie.
These are bad enough but what enrages me about this pair of utter sub-human scumbags is that they seemed to actually have a joined-up plan to make this poor child's life a miserable nightmare.
I trust their time inside will be as horrible for them as is possible
but it is terrifying this wasn't picked up earlier.
13/7/11 to 31/10/11 - Five home visits
15/11/11 - Doctor's appointment missed.
16/11/11 - Home visit
29/11/11 - Doctor's appointment missed.
14/12/11 - Home visit
20/12/11 - Doctor's app ointment missed.
Nov 11 to Jan 12. Three instances of him caught stealing food
22/1/12 - Seen eating a pancake from off of the floor
1/3/12 - Eats fruit from a bin.
Jan 2012 - Bruising to neck
Jan 2012 - Bump on head
Jan 2012 - Two black eyes
I find that incomprehensible.
the amount of bullshit hoops you need to go through even if you suspect bad shit going down makes immediate intervention almost impossible.
add to this the incredible workload and its no wonder shit like this happens.
i know far little about the subject matter and i can only imagine the bureaucracy involved in such an area.
however, seeing a timeline like that makes you think that some things have to change.
There will be a serious case review, but we had one of those after the baby p stuff, so dont hold your breath for any sweeping changes
whilst their both cowering in a corner.
Probably not the healthiest reaction to this news, but it's my gut instinct and why filter anything you think ever?
The sad frustration is that there is no punishment available that would be appropriate for what they have done
my first thought was:
wouldn't it be good to starve them to death and we can all watch?
with you on the no filter plan moker - life should pan out just fine.
It almost seems scarier that they could get out of prison one day. Had they just killed someone straight up, that seems like a mindset that someone could overcome eventually and feel remorse for. It's difficult to imagine how you could stop being the kind of maniac who deliberately starves a child to death. Or how people like that are ever going to gain 'humanity'.
minimum 30 years. I honestly think that they won't see the light of day again
Murder has three minimum starting point terms for sentencing (for offenders over 18 years old)
30 years, 25 years and 15 years
This case (cruel, vindictive and horrendous as it is) doesn't fulfil any of the conditions for minimum of 30 or 25 starting points, as listed in the Criminal Justice Act 2003 (see here)
So the started at 15 years, and added 15 years for aggravating factors in the case (see link above)
Not sure what else the judge could have done
Judges remarks here. Warning, they make upsetting reading
weird I know, but it's so heartbreaking I needed the closure of them getting served their sentences.
Utter evil animals. Hope someone kills them in prison to be honest.
But there are different sentences for people over 21
^ had it been proven that their motive was sadistic and/or sexual, they would have got whole life.
I know, I know... like moker, the first reaction you have is violent thoughts and snuffing them out with the justification that they are so fucked up they couldn't possibly turn themselves around be decent human beings ever. Get past that and... I still don't know what the answer is... lobotomy?
Only good thing I hope comes from this is some awful parents see how bad this got and act a bit less awful.
I also happen to think that incarceration can be a worse punishment than death
I'm sure they'll be murdered while in prison, or at the very least, brutally assaulted
Why? Just... why? :(
I feel a bit sick.
It takes a lot for me to be astonished at the levels of cruelty certain rogue individuals are capable of. Not sure if I'm just in a generally more heightened emotional state at the moment but I'm struggling to think of the last time I read of treatment so uncommonly monstrous that affected me so...
The lad is, mercifully, now at peace. The couple created their own null future. But the sister will have to carry this wretched baggage for the rest of her life, in everything that she does.
to a child, let alone their own.
The pair of them are going to have the absolute shit beaten out of them in prison.
I started reading the judge's remarks Gringo posted but couldn't finish.
Cannot comprehend it all.
I know that's maybe not the most constructive or aware thing to do, but I can't really bring myself to do it.
I don't know why, but I don't even feel anger towards these people - I don't feel anything at all about them. Just keep thinking about that poor wee boy, and how unbelievably sad what happened to him is.
but presumably if they've been sentenced like this they've been deemed not to be mentally ill. But I can't comprehend how anyone that wasn't mentally ill would be capable of carrying out something like that
I've seen nothing about any mental state assessments: I assume there was no option on the table. No history of mental illness, sustained level of abuse and violence by the offenders.
I agree in the sense that they both must have something fundamentally wrong with them. But then that could be applied to any serial killer?
but it applies to all of them.
Child killers, serial killers, serial rapists, violent reoffenders, even scammers who ruin hundreds of people's lives.
None of it is "normal". It's all a product of mental illness if you will.
It's just a case of diminished responsibility. And they were very methodical, lucid and cunning about their abuse and hiding it.
the utter fuckheads.
I just end up baffled
but I haven't read anything else on this, so I've only got that and tv reports to go on) - the boy was 4 1/2 when he died earlier this year afaik, the abuse had been going on for between a year and 18 months, and her relationship with the guy (her husband, but not the father, right) started in 2010.
That raises questions (but not excuses).
The answers to those questions may well be in the fact that I didn't dwell on each and every detail in the judges report, so if the guy was in fact his father and the couple were together pre-2010, please set me straight. Either way, the switch in behavior is odd/grim, to say the least.
Father has been interviewed on TV, he lives in Poland
the mother was heavily influenced by the step-father and he was the main perpetrator. But she proactively went along with him in what they did and also did not put up that defence in court, which may well have got her a reduced sentence.
But, as you say, it doesn't seem to have been part of the trial, so that's that. Still really disturbing how the attitude towards him changed, and his sister was spared.
I sort of wish I hadn't - just thinking about it makes me want to cry.
He looks like such a sweet wee boy. How someone could casually torture anyone is beyond me. I'm gonna stop thinking about it it's just incomprehensible.