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provided it remains in the same city, like, what difference does it make if such a thing's where it is, five miles one way, twenty another? seems a bit of a Guardian thing to get offended at.
insightful comment to post in a thread linking to an article in the Guardian saying that people shouldn't get offended by the relocation of something
rather than the little skateboardy fellas.
(i'm fucking faxing it in today. need some ice cream).
It's hardly kids from the local estates having their skatepark nicked off them, the Southbank skatepark is popular with kids from the commuter belt because they can get the train into Waterloo and feel like they're being edgy in the big smoke whilst their parents don't mind because it's at the fucking Southbank centre.
thought it was the other one who loves the south bank
Billy Bragg's music is terrible.
or if he's been told all this stuff by the business unit of the southbank centre and he actually believes it.
It's all about maximising the commercial potential of the site, as if that's the only thing that mattered, and as if people actually visit the location for the retail options available. If they want a rehearsal space, why don't they close a restaurant and stick it in there?
But I feel like we're not getting all the facts and he's painting a rosy picture...
so Bragg's a perfect spokesperson for them. His bullshit about the local community is straight from their press team, but I like that he's made it so much more authentic by adding 'local lad' in there. Nice touch.
If there's one London venue that doesn't lack for empty space it's them, but they have an incredible revenue-generating operation through their event hire and hosting restaurants which they're understandably reluctant to sacrifice. Still, if rehearsal space is *that* desperate a need, eh?
b) something about skateboarders
c) didn't think this post through
b) Were you thinking of this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Hawk's_Pro_Skater
but I'm bored and I don't give a hoot about skaters. There are loads of skateparks in London, LOADS. Just not so many where posh surburbanites can go and not get beaten up.
and have observed the skateboarders, and can't see what harm they're doing.
Surely the Southbank skateboarders are a very established and long-standing community in their own right that are intrinsically linked to that site? How you can build a sense of community by smashing a community i'm not so sure.
Also, why does a rehearsal space need to be right there? I don't understand this. You can build a rehearsal space anywhere. It doesn't need to be right next to/attached to the venue.
opened the article and expected it to be pro-skateboarders.
I like the skaters, it's a lovely use of public space and they're fun to watch. The undercroft bit looks pretty small - if Bragg is saying they're going to put two restaurants in there, surely the new rehearsal space is going to be elsewhere anyway? Plus there are loads of nice rooms in the Southbank Centre which are used for event hire, it does seem a bit odd they can't use some of those for the El Sistema kids.
He's clearly rewritten key messages from the Southbank's press team, which is a real coup for them in attempting to change the public opinion (of the admittedly small number of liberal/artsy/community/architecture-y/bloggers who care about this).
It's making my Guardian-reading brain explode to be honest.
1. billy bragg has written great songs
2. skateboarders are, by-and-large, show-off cock-ends
3. rehearsal spaces for kids are a great idea
4. i love the programming at the south bank
5. the skaters use a tiny space, which they've made their own over a long time and apparently people go from around the world to skate there. when you walk along the southbank they're something interesting to look at and they genuinely add the sort of (wanky term) "vibrancy" that an arts centre should be encouraging in a hands-off manner, rather than fucking around with
6. billy bragg's argument is shite and makes him look like an utter fucknut
No greater cultural heritage than that!
(I had seen Bragg's Tweet earlier)
Having read it, I'm as confused as all heck now as to what the right answer is. Is "we were here first" a legitimate argument in itself?
and whose use has contributed greatly to the South Bank area being seen as an culturally interesting area.
I couldn't really care less whether it was being used by skateboarders or if it was being used by second hand booksellers or whatever - the point is that these proposals would see a reduction in the diversity of activities happening on the south bank and a reduction in the diversity of the kind of people using its spaces, and all for the reason of the pursuit of more profit.
it might sound twatty, but the skate park is a repurposed, re-claimed space that is just about as authentic and organic as it is possible to get in London these days. The proposals smack of control and homogeneity and the gentrifier's need to divide activities into those that they see as attractive and those that they see as unattractive, and push the latter out of sight.
and he never learnt how to ollie.
i know nothing about luke and his pop up restaurant but he sounds like a knob and i bet his food is rubbish.
^didn't get the memo
I just wasn't keen on their proposal to build more restaurants over the skate park.
although it has become something of a generic tourist-trap filled with chain restaurants and corporate pop-ups in recent years, but it's still a pleasant place to spend time on a sunny evening, or in which to see a concert, exhibition or play.
But having worked with them on events, the way that they're run and led is horrible and is perfectly reflected in the way they're treating people here.
felt like a lot of people were really sticking the knife in here.
over the past decade or so. It's certainly not a patch on the Barbican these days.
I miss London.
Others may have different interpretations, but for me the big issue here is around their business model.
They'll be under a lot of pressure from funders to generate extra income and they're probably ahead of almost anywhere comparable in London in that regard (largely through the good fortune of their location).
But wanting a huge public subsidy, income from dozens of substantial private enterprises and event hire opportunities on site, but then simultaneously plead poverty, cite your occasional 'good deeds' and need for rehearsal space to get rid of some undesirables is taking the piss.
it's fucking shit.
Watching skateboarders is fun
rhymes with 'but that was bloody yesterday'
they're doing more to try and help the skateboarders out than pretty much any other landlord would. I'm not sure if trotting out Billy Bragg is really the most sensible idea, but I thought their own FAQ comes across as a model of common sense
makes it a bit more grey for me. billy bragg's piece is still fucking shite