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yes, please, that's what
to the death
Gay pride is nominally reduced to simply Pride these days in order to closer reflect that sexuality is a spectral rather than a binary err.. condition.. and celebrate pluralism and tolerance right?
so if I've been socially conditioned into accepting myself in the binary position of heterosexual would Pride week not be a good time to allow the rainbow into my life and see what colour I really ought to be dancing on?
Bum a few lads?
I can't see the ones you suck off being too upset by it.
I might be no good at it
or penis, if you prefer.
If you want to use 'solidarity' as an excuse to suck some dick, that's cool. But why anyone would pay any attention to you doing it i'm not sure.
we must respect the culture of others in that thread about women.
I mean I wondered if Pride wasn't a great advert in general to drop all these perverted, societal inhibitions that we call heterosexuality and just let ourselves be our true selves
wants to suck some dick, just go ahead and do it. Don't know why you're trying cloud it in a haze of supposed political action or societal experiment. Chow down if that's your thing. Or anyone else can do it if they like. What's to stop them?
Do you think that the totality of letting go the binary falsehood of straight/gay comes down to 'sucking some dick'?
having batted for both sides in my time. Others may not let it go, but because they don't want to rather than because their scared. You are coming across as though you're a little bit worried about publicly admitting your gay tendencies, but that's cool. Some people just aren't as confident about it as others. If you need to use 'political action' as a way of making your transition easier, then who am I to judge.
out of 'binary' and go nuts
But feel free to try new things.
I suppose the point of Pride is the celebration of pluralism and sexual liberation and intrinsic in that is the recognition that many gay and lesbian people fought actual battles (and still do) in order to resist the notion that their sexuality was somehow deviant or a mental illness or whatever the prescriptive hegemony of the time/place sought to enforce
at the same time there are those who seek to ban (and succeed in banning) events like Pride and discussions of sexuality beyond heteronormative (or binary straight/gay) models because they see them as propaganda or having a propaganda effect that somehow threatens the status quo
just wondered how permeable the membrane between one position and the other actually is -- I mean, Pride is for everyone in it's plurality right? So what better time than for everyone to join in than Pride week?
Wherein if you decided that you wanted to bat for the other side, who cares?
Pride as an opportunity to question yourself about what you really are versus what has been defined for you as what you are
There was a thread recently where the issue of 'straight pride' was discussed and I pointed out that regular pride (pride as we know it, LGBT pride if you will) is unequivocally not a place to celebrate being straight. This was in response to another user saying that pride would probably welcome anyone who wanted to celebrate their heterosexuality and another user who mused that this is perhaps why they dropped the 'gay' from the front of the 'pride'.
If someone is 'batting for the other side' - and if we're insisting on using a stupid phrase like 'bat for the other side' - then they're not celebrating straightness.
in many ways, and it's not like they make you do a sexuality test before you can be a part of it. However, hypothetically speaking if you're passing it off as just joining in and it's not really you being you, then that's not quite the ethos of it? I mean it's a kind of weird thing to say, if it's something that is going to be a nice comforting supportive place to explore feelings of any kind you already posses then more power to you and that's understandable I guess, but that doesn't seem to be what you're getting at.
and I've always supported Pride - gone to events, cheered from the sidelines etc
I was musing on the fact that people who don't self-identify as gay may still enjoy sexual experiences that society defines as homosexual - obviously - and that taking the opportunity of Pride week to engage in those sexual experiences might be something that would be welcomed, promoted even ... or equally might be something that is seen as tourism and thus frowned upon with suspicion
a lot of people in this thread have decided (it seems) that it is suspicious behaviour or that even merely asking the question is some kind of attention seeking - I'd guess the majority of those people are heteronormative males
do you see it as tourism? If you enjoyed those activities you tried, would you continue when opportunities arose, or only during pride.
I know people who are sexually bi, romantically 'hetero' and other 'combinations' so I guess the question is - if you explored this and liked it, would it be something you embraced fully as part of yourself, in keeping with pride's raison d'être?
No doubt some people would consider it touristy and perhaps offensive but, depending on how you went out about it, there may well be people/men looking for that exact dalliance. Whatever the scenario it would be pretty crucial to be open with each other about it to avoid someone feeling 'used' and to respect that people will have very different views on this.
I totally agree that the kind of accusatory attitude people seem to be displaying here is unhelpful. Ther have been other threads before where people have on the one hand welcomed a more 'open' post-binary conception of sexuality then almost in te same breath denounced anyone who tried to articulate that they don't see their heterosexuality as a rigid and permanent state. Personally I wouldn't judge someone for how they express their current sexual orientation - very often it's a way of transitioning and I know so many people who used to define as bi and queer because they felt it was easier at the time, and that's surely totally ok! There obviously is an element of .....priv..el...ege... in being able to say you're queer when your are absolutely straight passing (like me) but what would anyone actually gain from dishonestly outing themselves?
look at me! I'm gay too LOL!
an insulting example of cultural tourism
That. THAT is how low you would sink by doing this
oh my god.
'oh, I have such a man crush on....' etc. When did that start? Just all seems a bit contrived and patronising to actual gay people, like fancying men and pretending you want to fuck a guy is in vogue, like gourmet burgers and knitting in pubs
post like you're doing everyone a favour by being here. Raanrals ate some cakes, get over it.
but if you don't consider yourself to be LGBT/Q, you shouldn't really be doing this. I'm not asking if you do but if you're not even 'questioning' or w/e its not really right to masquerade as someone who is oppressed in that way (either out of or in the closet). Being out is the most political thing you can do as an LGBT person and if you're genuinely exploring your own sexuality at the moment I don't see a problem with joining other non-normative identifying pride-goers. Ultimately it's your call.
Seems the key question to ask yourself here.