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Would have preferred a haiku.
You had a goatee
Gave a CD of Pet Sounds
That is the rape joke
Also- who the fuck DOES drink wine coolers?
(what's a wine cooler?)
I assumed it was true.
it's presented as truth
In which case, very sad :(
I didn't read the other one because the sensationalist nature of other stories on the website it was on put me off reading anything on it. Any my (widely misinterpreted comment) was regarding having doubts about the truth of anything featured on such a website, rather than the story itself (which I didn't read).
you're just a prick
and why I won't anymore in this subthread.
see you later crispin.
pot kettle racism
trying to score points off the Poitier crew?
You might want to check if you've suffered some kind of stroke.
and oversensitive presented as one word.
Other than that, seems fine to me.
Why are they named after the star of one of the great films of the 60s?
What is a boglin?
not funny and overusing the boglin insult. I don't agree with the mod policies on here but I appreciate it's a thankless task. Thought this thread could have been a good discussion about 'jokes' but it turned into one about poetry instead.
Not sure the 'stroke' insult is wise but that's a discussion for another day.
I was just insult replying to your insult.
Although in truth I haven't the foggiest what a boglin is or what 'the Poitier crew' is or represents.
we were kids, not really on the same level as someone suffering from having a stroke.
I expected someone to take it off on a masturbatory route, to be honest.
Apparently you haven't the foggiest what this Poitier shit is about either, then? Is this like when someone posts 85% and hope no one asks them what it means?
The Poitier stuff is just my inane label for people who 'this' comments to show how right on they are.
I'm bored Theo, I'm really bored. Someone bump the Dadsnet thread for the love of god.
I was playing, don't genuinely defend yourself
(I think it's noble what the writer is trying to show but so badly delivered. Unless it's aimed at young teenagers?)
but mock the execution as piss poor? Is that possible?
but assuming this is based on something that happened to the author (and there's no reason not to) you'd think empathy should at least come before mockery.
and the order shes put them in?
(though liked is probably not the right word for it).
But y'know. Opinions.
I don't really think this is the thing to have an argument over somethigns worthiness as a piece. I'll not be cuntish anymore about it.
and instead making jokey comments.
"I'll not be cuntish anymore about it." Saying the argument was all me.
why's it called a poem though?
it has no discernable rhythm or structure. it has more line breaks than you'd normally expect from prose, but not much.
infinite jest isn't called a poem
Can you find me a hard definition of 'poem' that specifically makes it clear what is and isn't a poem?
this is fine, but you can still fuck off with your idiotic "it's a poem because it's clearly a poem"
It has the multiple paragraph structure that I would expect and the repetitive nature of phrasing. It is putting a point across in a way that isn't how you would do it as pure prose, where you would describe things differently.
To me it looks exactly like poetry tends to look and it reads exactly like it too. Stop being so fucking huffy about it.
It also gives it a structure, the repetition of the phrasing and style.
Look, there isn't a hard and fast definition of poetry but if I saw that I'd think it was more closely related to poetry than pure prose, although I would also argue things can be both.
Your argument is rather like questioning why 4'33" is considered a composition, or a less extreme piece of experimental music, because it doesn't have a verse/chorus structure or any sort of melody.
(Neither of which it is necessarily lacking, as I've said.)
rather than the genre of prose.
that's got absolutely no comparison whatsoever to the artist john cage doing an artwork that draws its /entire/ impact from being presented in a concert piece
I dunno what her other writing is like to be fair.
You seem to have a very rigid view of what should be allowed to be called a poem. Were that view translated to music I think you'd find your tastes were narrowed.
i didnt say it wasnt allowed to be called a poem, i was asking why it was being called a poem.
and you're talking shit if you honestly think it's "exactly" what you'd expect a poem to look like.
I wandered lonely as a cloud
That floats on high o'er vales and hills,
When all at once I saw a crowd,
A host, of golden daffodils;
Beside the lake, beneath the trees,
Fluttering and dancing in the breeze.
Continuous as the stars that shine
And twinkle on the milky way,
They stretched in never-ending line
Along the margin of a bay:
Ten thousand saw I at a glance,
Tossing their heads in sprightly dance.
The waves beside them danced; but they
Out-did the sparkling waves in glee:
A poet could not but be gay,
In such a jocund company:
I gazed--and gazed--but little thought
What wealth the show to me had brought:
For oft, when on my couch I lie
In vacant or in pensive mood,
They flash upon that inward eye
Which is the bliss of solitude;
And then my heart with pleasure fills,
And dances with the daffodils.
that's "exactly" what a poem looks like as standard.
a valid comparison for music would be someone releasing an instrumental electronic piece and referring to it as a song. i'd have no problem with it, but i'd be interested to know why they've chosen to call it a song
on Poetry compared with Lyrics and the similarity and differences.
they use words
either way, you're incorrect, there are broad examples, obviously, of crossing over styles.
lyrics are any words/vocal sounds set to music
poetry is any words/vocal sounds presented as poetry
You're telling me exactly what *you* think a poem looks like. It's not exactly what *I* think a poem looks like, which you should have been able to work out by now.
depends how didactic you want to be about it I guess.
For what it's worth, from her twitter:
"The real final line of "Rape Joke" is this. "You don't ever have to write about it. But if you do, you can write about it any way you want."
just don't see why people want to call their writing a poem. im not saying they can't call it a poem, makes no difference. just interested in why
A piece of writing that partakes of the nature of both speech and song, and that is usually rhythmical and metaphorical.
The thing is there is no real rigid rules with poetry anymore - Why is William Carlos Williams considered poetry? Why are epic poems like Paradise Lost considered poetry? I'd say this had a (albeit loose) rhythm to it and a common theme, and can therefore be considered as such.
and i dont think something like WCW's A Red Wheelbarrow can be used as an example of something not having an obviously articificial, "poetic" visual layout:
so much depends
a red wheel
glazed with rain
beside the white
as quite, quite different styles, executions and obviously lengths, that both fit under the umbrella term 'poetry'.
There are lots of things like 'Say Yes' by Andrea Gibson, which is a wonderful peice of performance poetry, but sometimes feels more like a passionate speech than a poem, aside from the occasional deployment of more common poetic tools.
This could even be intended as a performance piece, which could change the way it's read or intended to be received.
it's just getting started
how viscous the slurry, how granulated the mulch - and of course, which soil type births the finest stones...
I can learn more from it and it's more interesting. Tell me more.
don't blame your for bailing
Stop giving a shit about whether it's a poem or not. Death is coming!
love you x
i dont care whether it is poetry or not - the writer's called it a poem, so it is one. i care why she's called it poetry. only person to go anywhere near answering the question is ch
so doesn't really matter if it was pointless or not, least I found it interesting and got a good mark!
It's not amazing but it made me think a bit.
That's no bad thing.
that fidel_catstro has a goatee...
he'd be able to pull one off better than most people tho
what it's saying about wrestling fans.
a soap opera for men.
as if we haven't got a tough enough time of it anyway now we're not 'just' idiots, but rapey idiots.
damn i'm feeling defensive this morning. probably cos i stayed up too late last night watching wwe raw.
and that gif is brilliant. flair based a career on that sell. heroic.
Thought this was a great piece of writing, assuming its real.
you didn't imagine it
this is amazing, that's all
Some people have revealed themselves to be utter gimps
but yes, that link is amazing.
you don't do yourself any favours
JFC I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU'VE POSTED A SHITTY INTERNET REACTION IMAGE
i can't believe you've done this
well done everyone
The poem is devastatingly good. I didn't get it for the first part but it starts to sink in and it hits real hard.
People who were arguing about its merits as a 'poem'? JFC you are a sad sad bunch of pricks
inside-outside nailing it on a sensitive thread? huzzah
I distanced myself from the talking about it's merits, rather just trying to make a case for it as a poem, which it clearly is, while trying, though not really succeeding, to not be trolled.
people mentioned the sillyness on fridays