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I daren't watch this. Can someone tell me if it's as horrible as you'd expect? :(
can't imagine the next three minutes get any better.
then got a bit nervous so skipped forward a bit and it was just him crying and begging with them to stop. That was enough for me. Didn't really feel the need to see what they did to him that made him start crying in the first place.
Huge credit to him for putting himself through it
standard procedure in hospitals where people are fed with tubes going through their nose and into their stomach? In terms of getting it down there in the first place...
I remember asking her and she said that it wasn't that painful. It's a standard procedure for a lot of folk in hospital. The tube in this video looks a bit thicker though, I have to say. Maybe that's the issue. Or maybe it's the lack of local anaesthetic.
I'll ask my sister, who's a doctor, and report back.
And they're not strapped down by their head and hands. And it's not against their will (sometimes).
Although a lot of people in hospital have it done against their will too... (the person I was speaking to did - she said it wasn't that bad. Although, as I said, I don't know if she had local anaesthetic)
it just stimulates the gag reflex on its way down
Conflicts with something I've recently been told by someone who was in hospital.
I'll ask a doctor about it - should clear the issue up. As I said, the tube they're using looks pretty thick...
It's used for feeding and drainage. It's used for feeding when someone isn't able to feed/swallow themselves, which usually occurs when they're not fully conscious.
In particular this bit: "Large feeding pipes are traditionally used on hunger striking prisoners whereas thin pipes are preferred in hospitals." (which is referenced back to an article about Guantanamo)
Seems that the lack of local anaesthetic and the fact the tube is thicker (visibly so too, as I had suspected) makes this a more painful procedure.
Makes a lot more sense now. Of course, I'm not defending force-feeding of hunger strikers either.
It’s also used for people who need supplementary nutrition who are able to feed themselves. Not sure on how common it is in people who are awake and responsive, but if you read the ‘Technique’ section of the Wikipedia page it seems to suggest that the process is aided by the person being awake and swallowing the tube down. Unless I’ve read it wrong.
The absence of local anaesthetic seems the key thing for me here. Otherwise, I’m in need of a bit of clarification as to why this seemingly standard hospital procedure is so horrid in this instance (aside from the stuff about it being against the will of the patient and the human rights breaches etc.)
just that it is much more commonly applied to those who aren't, for obvious reasons.
Standard procedure would probably involve calming/relaxant medication if the patient is particularly anxious.
A primary reason for the person being conscious is so that they can swallow the tube and to make it easier to ensure that it goes into the stomach (rather than a lung) - the first thing they do when administering one is to send a small amount of water down and then draw it back up, and check the acidity with universal indicator paper. Not acid = not in stomach.
In the lungs, in the short term, the worst could involve choking/drowning-type scenario (hugely unpleasant, natch), or puncturing of the lung(!). Also, pneumonia due to bacterial growth in the (warm, cosy, moist, bacteria nurturing) lung.
But, yeah, the local anaesthetic (or absence thereof) is probably a key difference between medical and torturous. Same goes for tube size/gauge, obv.
fiesty little bugger kept pulling it out, has to be changed weekly anyway.
I have to confess that I never watched them put one in but I don't think he was too bothered. My wife wouldn't let me keep a tube as a memento (memory box).
We're so proud of you son, you've grown up to be a fine young man and for your 18th birthday we wanted to get you something special... A special tube!
... wh- wha..? A tube? Not, like, a car or something?
Well, it's a special tube!
How is it special, Dad? How?
It's been IN you!!
That made me laugh so much and I have no idea why, I think I'm losing it
No, i'm not watching the video, it doesn't sound pleasant and I love that man.
but not as painful as that time he debated Salman Rushdie and Christopher Hitchens on politics.
of the hideous treatment of Guantanamo Bay detainees, but Kate Quilton on Channel 4's 'Food Unwrapped' just had a tube go up her nose and down into her stomach as part of some process to measure the toxicity of chewing gum, and it seemed a tad uncomfortable but about a million miles away from what's portrayed in that Guardian video. I guess it's different when you're strapped into a chair and not partaking willingly, but check about 21:45 into this: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/food-unwrapped/4od#3542119