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Fucking hate Vice
There just must come a point where the sensible people leave the edtorial meeting and everyone that's left churns out this sort of sub-SugarApe shit and they unleash that ThugClive dickhead
But the amount of snidey *look-at-these-people-who-aren't-us-having-fun-differently* articles they churn out makes it very difficult to see them as anything other than sneering elitist twats, couple that with this kind of stunt and I'm really not keen to overlook their faults despite some of the good stuff they apparently put out.
There was one about a goth night and clearly the intention was to take the piss but by the end of the article there was clearly a begrudging respect for them. Was a good read.
I quite enjoyed that...
...trust me, I've been.
I genuinely think that over the past few years Vice has produced some of the best investigative journalism and reportage in the world, but to drive up hits it has to frequently fall back on a sneering tone that means that it will only ever connect with a certain type of person within the millenial Generation - dominated by upper/middle class arts graduates slumming it in their 20s. Seriously, watch some of their documentaries.
Particularly the documentaries in fairness.
But I'm really not comfortable with the fact that I'd be indirectly supporting the twatty side of them in order to appreciate the quality side. It's somewhat akin to how I feel when the Mail has a good piece of football writing (which it sometimes does), I'd like to enjoy it but not whilst it relies on it's trolling/hateful pieces for most of it's hits.
They used to have a gloriously trolling feature like this every month, but with rock-star deaths.
I don't think I can justify why, but I used to find it hilarious to see the reaction from people who loved the sacred cows that they used - eg Jeff Buckley and Kurt Cobain.
One of the last good, more mainstream* music mags?
*ie not stuff like Careless Talk or whatever
Bringing in excellent writers from the likes of Select and Melody Maker and top designers, but it just felt a little too focus-grouped to have a soul.
In a time when a few new glossy monthlies launched (eg X-Ray and Word) it worried people for a while - the NME went as far as demanding cover-spread exclusives from bands using the threat of non-coverage.
About 9 issues?
You could tell they were chasing sales at the end, the first issue had Polyphonic Spree or something on the cover and by the end it was people like Eminem.
I remember a lot of the writers saying that in the early issues they were able to get articles commissioned that they really wanted to write, but then it became harder and harder as the magazine went for cheap copy.
The demise of Select and its stable of writers meant that, even with Careless Talk/Plan B around, there was something of a backlog of long-form, investigative pieces to be written/published. I think a lot of top writers (eg people like Taylor Parkes etc) were promised and outlet for these, but it quickly dried up.
pretty sure one of the featured articles was a piece absolutely slating Sonic Youth. I disagreed but I thought it was a pretty brave piece to have in your first issue.
where he sung the praises of Crass and Butthole Surfers instead.
Even before it had a website, the equivalent of linkbait existed...
Will they have paid for them?
shit and tasteless pictures nonetheless
doesn't seem very popular if you ask me
in an art way
There's a lot of this kind of fetishisation going on in other parts of the internet, I'm not sure why this is worse than that. Look at any teenage/early 20's tumblr and you'll see the same thing.
Plus, are they being used to 'sell clothes'? Look more like art photography to me.
Not saying it's a great spread but I don't think it's that outrageous either.
maybe it would be a different response if they were in a gallery?
But I did think they were very tastless when I saw them. There's a real glamour of the tortured artist/suicide chic vibe that, while nothing new, I don't really like.
Maybe it would be less shocking if they weren't based on realy people? Or would that make it even worse as you can't argue that it's based in reality and it would just be using suicide to shock. idk
who cares about 'good taste'?
people affected by the suicide of a friend or relative. Perhaps even by one of the methods depicted.
The more times I read that last sentence the stupider it gets.
doesn't mean you can't find things offensive (you can)
it doesn't mean the same thing to me as it does to you or, indeed, my old ma. Sure, if you're talking about 'good taste' as a nice teaset or something then I'm with you. But for people not versed in academic discourse it's a handy term. (Apols for a snippy earlier post by the way. This thread has my hackles up.)
is that it glamourises suicide, both by playing on the link between creativity and depression, and by literally making it glamorous by associating it with fashion.
even that said, dont think it deserves more reaction that "oh vice you scamps"
I think its intended to put a bad taste in your mouth, its provacative. Perhaps even moreso given that the paradigm you talk about is usually associated with male figures, which is what i find interesting about it.
The addition of high fashion puts a cynical, rather than glamourous, twist on it. Its ironic on a basic level but pretty hard hitting.
I think the photos are fairly tasteful, too.
of the recent Hyundai advert featuring a man trying to kill himself - and this open letter explaining why that's really not cool: http://copybot.wordpress.com/2013/04/25/an-open-letter-to-innocean-and-hyundai/
Ran a similar spread last year featuring young artists depicted in the manner they imagines thier death. Lots of suicides and not in very good taste, so Vice have just nicked it.
and there's a whole internet sub-culture about reinacting famous deaths for fashion blogs.