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This is pretty appalling really, isn't it?
can only imagine that she had poor legal advice?
Will those people be joining her on her litter-picking duties?
Unecessary, in bad taste, naive, and disrespectful, sure.
On the other hand, it probably is relevant - men don't really tend to get threats of rape in quite the same way...
And also with anything regarding the criminal justice system gender is relevant: for the mostpart its a system desgined for men; women are more likely to self harm and attempt suicide in prison; women's prisons tend to be much further from home; women are less likely to be violent offenders; women are less likely to re-offend if they are violent offenders; it is estimated that over half of women in prison are mothers; only 5% of children stay in the family home when their mum goes to prison compared to 90% for fathers; can't remember the statistic but women are far more likely to commit a crime at the behest of a partner; women serve shorter sentences on average (shorter sentence almost incontrovertibly don't work for recidivism); although women are represented at the magistry, the police is still about 75% male .... Goes on)
She should be locked up the fucking thick cunt
I remember Alan Hansen on Match of the Day saying a Colombian defender "should be shot" for poor defending. It was poor taste (especially as a Colombian defender had literally been shot a few years before after his error in the World Cup cost gamblers money) but still an opinion expressed in a metaphorical way. There's no direct threat to actively go out and behead people...
If she pleaded guilty what was the magistrate to do? What we don't know is how relevant the timing of the tweet was. It sounds minor in the cold light of day but think back to what the general reaction was when it happened and it does seem more of a really mean thing to say. That said, if they're punishing her for this, there's far more malicious cunts that the police should be going after if we're gonna have a criminal offence for just saying horrible things without any identifiable target ( although in this case we owe a duty of care to the grieving family). Really if we're appalled by this sentence it's the police we should be appalled with in their application of discretion.
I hope she's ok :(
I'm certainly not defending her tweet - it's tasteless and insensitive but crucially, as you say, there was no specific, identifiable target or direct threat implied rather simply a distasteful opinion being expressed.
As is stated above, consistency would surely dictate that - if this is a criminal offence - then direct, personal threat to rape someone should be too...
But to get convictions for that sort of thing, the police would have to show the slightest interest in tackling rape culture
but seriously, this is ridiculous. These recent events of people being punished for this sort of thing are making me slightly wary of living in this country.
you're going down, DiS.
so I can see that it was in poor taste, but ... ^that's a bit of an over-statement, no? "Huge impact", from one tweet that the vast majority of people wouldn't even be aware existed if it wasn't being publicised due to her sentencing.
Also, there's no way she'd have got charged if she'd made the comment about a crime that was committed a while ago. Is there something in the law that allows people to be punished more harshly just because they're talking about a current event? I guess the "harm" she caused is greater the closer it is to the attack, but still ... seems a bit off.
i hope they don't start going through all our DiS posts...
I'm well going to go to Downing Street and grand-dad David Cameron #terrorman
Anyway, to continue, the guy who got convicted for GBH for giving my brother a brain haemorhage in an unprovoked attack got 120 hours community service. Sure, what this woman said is a pretty fucking grim thing to say under the circumstances but it seems like the punishments for these 'cyber-crimes' is just being made up as they go along.
Things are things.
Cyberthings are excuses for government doing what the guck it wants in it's own interests under the pretence of security - cyberbullshit from start to finish.
MI5 Spook - *Types 'help for heroes beheaded' into Google*
"Boss, I've got over 100 hits here"
Boss - "Just charge them all with something, it'll scare people off making stupid comments and get the hit field down so we can catch the real bad guys"
MI5 Spook - "But boss, I don't think the bad guys are stupid enough to type this kind of shit out on Twitter. It kind of goes against their self-interests in some ways"
Boss - "I don't give a shit! We have to look like we're doing SOMETHING! I tell you what, charge anyone whose surname isn't Smith or Jones, ok?"
MI5 Spook - *On phone* "Hi, PC Plod? Gotta a tip off for you, top secret and all that..."
[This is a poor attempt at a JOKE and is intended as SATIRE. It is a FICTIONAL scene and any resemblance to real life events or people is purely coincidental. Please don't arrest me. I can never hold on to the soap, it's so slippery. Like your Mum's clunge]
MFMCD57: Just to sit down now
SECRET AGENT: Oh you'll be sitting down... in a chair in an interrogation room
MFMCD57: What the Gaskell?
SECRET AGENT: Youse is coming with me because of yr subversive posting. My... employer... would like to see... you... soon.
MFMCD57: Gah the government'll ne'er get answers from me
SECRET AGENT: Who said anything about the government
(takes off SECRET AGENT mask)
MFMCD57: acclaimed interviewer Michael Parkinson. oh GOD he'll definitely get answers out of me
MICHAEL PARKINSON: Come. We have a business to attend to
Sorry but no amount of liberal thinking would get me to defend someone who said that.
Can you not see why people might want to defend someone from excessively harsh punishment/treatment?
its roughly six weeks unpaid work.
without wanting to get into too much of a debate on which are more/less offensive, the punishment that has arisen from the charge isn't an overly severe one i don't think.
For something that probably shouldn't be a crime at all, and that seems to be being used to make an example of someone. In addition to this she's already clearly suffered and been quite shaken by the threats made against her as a result of the tweet. She also co-operated and admitted that what she said was malicious. I would have expected a fine.
both of whom co-operated with the police and apologised, and recieved death threats also. one of whom even had a mob outside their house, which i imagine would be more intimidating than online threats. both were arrested.
Im not saying like cases are not being treated alike. I am saying the punishment dished out for this kind of offence is excessive.
wearing a Help For Heroes tshirt is the same as wearing a bhurka or whatever?* It's more like someone wearing one of those plasticky charity wristbands from a few years ago. Fuck it, they do deserve beheading**
*I know the reason
**This is satire, don't arrest me
or a comment made in what the moral majority decide is 'poor taste'.
getting a sentence or community service for it, or even being prosecuted in the first instance, is a terrible indication of how far we've sunk as a society in recent times.
the sort of people who were probably quick to call 1984 innit / Nazi bleed'n Germany on the idea that someone might raise the point that racist jokes might make people uncomfortable (esp. if they're not shit funny) or on the fact that people might make the suggestion that heterosexual white people aren't the centre of what's 'normal' are probably the sort of people thinking this sort of thing is righteous and justified makes me angry.
I can't imagine living by such a bizarrely inconsistent system of morals and ethics. Everyone should follow my example and overthink everything and we'll all be able to live in near constant anxiety with relative peace.
She's a kid who said something stupid, I'm pretty sure we've all done something like that when we were kids, just now there's an electronic record of everything.
There needs to be some official, publicised ruling over what you can and can't say. Yeah, pretty lame thing to say but this is daft
by stories of people thinking they're a bit clever, edgy and funny online getting done in real life. Gutted.
I think having your name forever linked with something like this is punishment enough.
When the courts are getting involved with punishing people for saying stuff, it's a bit worrying. Reminds me of those 'Weird History' tweets where it's like "In 1654, Edward Roberts was charged with indecency for calling his neighbour 'an arse-whiff' and sentenced to a day's hard work."
But we're able to laugh it off because we know it isn't going to change for the better anytime soon. We still have a sense of freedom, and until the point where we have to genuinely reconsider what we post online then we'll all ignore it.