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Unlucky, you racist cunts.
My uncle did a family tree once and as far back as he got there wasn't any non-English either.
I'm one of the first on my Dad's side to have even lived outside of Kent/East-Sussex, my Mum's side goes back to cockneys who came to Kent to pick hops.
I'm really fucking English, luckily I'm getting some Asian involved in my bloodline going forward.
Totally dull. Maybe there's a bit of excitement past that (I've read that my surname may have Irish routes), but I don't know.
What's a nationality?
Was ist eine Nationalität?
relating to the relationship between individuals and states.
or not bother? Seems to be there's be no point (as I presume we'd give them the same deal we gace Ireland) but am curious.
that post wouldn't have been such a tinderbox of provocation. :-D
If you must know, my plan, post-Yes2014, is to move to New Zealand to support the defenestration of the Monarchy.
I'm basically the modern day Thomas Paine: destined to die alone in New York, with a funeral attended only by two genderqueer hipsters and an H+ single mum.
I *am* genuinely curious. I can see arguments either way, so would like to know what you're thinking of doing.
But, go on then, I'll indulge you. Slightly. I never applied for citizenship of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, so the notion of applying for Scottish citizenship feels like a red herring. I'll apply for the Scottish passport, if that's what you're asking. Get as many passports as you can, I say. And that's why mswza has the aforementioned passport with Éire written on the front.
The Ireland analogy is an interesting one and, as far as I afaik, it undermines most of the scaremongering coming from the No side about granddaughters studying in Portsmouth, and sons working in London, becoming, gasp, foreigners. As if being a foreigner is a bad thing.
To indulge you further, I've variously answered 'UK', 'British Citizen by birth in England'*, and 'English-Scottish' when forms have asked my nationality. The answer depends on who's asking. If I'm on holiday in Germany I'm from 'Glasgow'. If I'm in the pub on Sauchiehall Street I'm from 'Yeah, down south - The Midlands...'
*Sounds wanky, sure, but it was a wanky form to start with. But, out of curiosity, I looked it up on Gov sites to try and find out what my official nationality was worded as, and that seemed to be the answer.
I think the vast, vast majority of people would understand the question, "What is your nationality?" (posed in a language they understand).
More seriously, I disagree. There's massive levels of incorrect presumption over what nationality actually is. As pointed out elsewhere in this thread by you and others, it's a legal thing, not necessarily a simple feeling/opinion/birthright thing.
And hence a thing.
Training shoes are not shoes.
Legal things are not things.
shoes are a thing. training shoes are just for practice at wearing shoes
back in 5.
if so, he's on the list.
Y'know if you think about it hard enough literally everything is racist.
was hoping it would be a thread so we could have a nice big ranty rage-and-self-righteousness-and-jaded-headshaking orgy but i'll just put this here instead then i suppose http://doctorwhoandrace.com/2013/05/29/dont-judge-till-its-published/ (point 3)
Yet he drinks from a mug with 100% Welsh written on it.
This annoys me more than it should
I very much doubt that it was manufactured in Wales by a Welshman using only Welsh sourced porcelain and then sold in a Welsh owned shop, staffed by Welshmen, in Wales.
so, as far as concrete evidence goes, I only have English Roots. But my dad is certain that the surname "Scott" must've at some point come from north of the border.
(same surname and everything). Think we're related?
Depends on where your roots (weird phrase) are from. I don't really have any Scottish traits though (if they exist)
...and have an Irish grandfather. Guess that means that potentially I could have three passports!
Only have a British one however as I don't like foreigns, natch.
mswza has an irish one but she wasn't born there and has never lived there.
i don't have a valid passport, but i presume i still have a nationality?
...it's whatever you want it to be I guess. Outside of race/genetic history the idea of nationality as defined by a nation state is probably best symbolised by a passport, being the ability to reside in that place.
- Where you were born;
- Where you grew up;
- Where you live;
- What nationalities you most identify with;
- The above four things for your parents, and possibly their parents, and possibly their parents; and
- What country you have the right to permanent residency in.
Plus some other vagaries. It's not an exact science...
Let's be honest - nationality is not really a thing, is it?
...I would say in some ways it's becoming much more of a thing.
Better recognition of ethnicities and citizenships?
I'm saying that counts as dilution, making the notion of /nationality/ less of a thing.
My status as a EU citizen (as opposed to 'EU national', which isn't a thing) and the freedoms it brings means more in real life terms than any assertion of regional nationality.
...artifical by their nature, are becoming increasingly more codified as the groups contained within them fight harder for their slice of the pie in an ever more competitive world.
Currently awaiting confirmation from cat_race as to whether 'legal things' are 'things'.
And don't come back.
¡¡¡FREEDOM FROM LLOEGYR!!!
(The Wza said you have smelly breath)
Well, I think that's what she called it.
Anyway, that was definitely a thing.
in any debate pretty tiresome.
i'm giving this thread 110%.
Not my MO.
It was no less glib or tangential than raanraals'. I didn't mention MO, although i'd argue that a passive-aggressive socratic method is no less respectable than using your mum jokes to lighten the tone/avoid difficult questions.
I was just genuinely trying to explore why TheWza is totally dismissing nationality as a meaningful concept.
Not glib, not tangential, I don't have an MO.
but i can understand why some people might read it as such, sometimes it's difficult to judge tone on the internet. I agree that the notion is pretty problematic, but think it's a bit silly to just dismiss nationality outright - it's a bit like dismissing art or love or something.
it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.
Art and love were just two examples of other wooly concepts, could've used any number of others, depression, terrorism, whatever.
the codification of depression is a medical (i.e. scientific) thing (i.e. a thing).
terrorism as a legally codified thing is not a thing.
And mum jokes. I'll give you that.
I have >1 passport.
I only have one domicile though (Scotland, in UK, Europe).
How many nationalities have you wanked?
Grandad on Mum's side reckons there was family connections to India but wasn't sure, my Aunt looked into it and apparently we have German roots. India, Germany same thing eh Grandad
Still support IN-GER-LAND though, wheyyyyyyyy lager lager lager
when she caught sight of my member and couldn't believe it.
and hugenot french.
growing up claimed to be 1/16 Cherokee (or another Native American tribe).