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I say no, badgers are better than cows.
I mean is it proven that this will help?
going to take a wild guess and say that there is one group of scientists saying this is absolutely necessary, and another saying it is absolutely unnecessary.
Also : Are all the yes ones sponsored by badger poison manufacturers?
let's go for 43% in favour.
no poison involved, the scientific plan as far as i can see is to let a load of scientific guys loose in the dark woods with scientific shotguns to scientifically shoot badgers
that's like letting theo drive a tank.
is against it
many saying it will make things worse if anything, as badgers will migrate out of the cull zones as their families are killed and others will migrate in as setts free up, thus potentially spreading disease further. It was also convincingly voted against in parliament by democratically elected MPs, yet the government are still pressing ahead. It is indescrimiate and doesn't target infected badgers, so most of the culled creatures will be perfectly healthy. 70% of the badger population to be culled for a 16% target reduction in bovine TB means it is hardly very effective. The remaining 30% could still carry bTB for all the government know. With 70% of badgers culled, a harsh winter or two could make the species in this country endangered.
Basically, it's wrong on most levels of rational thought. Those in government, farming and the vetinary industry that are for it have personal vested (ie. financial) interest.
into the wilds of the UK?
We could modify existing predators so they'd be capable of eating badgers though. I wouldn't mind seeing a shark with the mechanical legs of that thing that falls down the stairs and screams a lot in Robocop, or a geneticially-enhanced giant heat-seeking bee. Or something.
Badger predators include bobcats, cougars, lynx, wolves, foxes, bears, and birds of prey.
we could certainly do with more of those animals around. stupid fucking public opinion.
could do with some wolves though. ...and bears. bears fucking rock and add an element of insignificant danger to your walk to work
Tough lad, eh?
nah, just like pandas or something
"Pandas" are just humans in costume.
But 200 hundred? Fuck off.
ha ha ha
always effective, and can in some instances make things worse.
So, no. I'm not for the cull.
Also, I'm still haunted by cold moons, (cheery childrens badger-culling story, in the vein of watership down and the plague dogs) that my mum bought for me when i was little.
Release a million honey badgers. They could kill all the wildlife. Problem solved. Plus their ability to turn around in their own skin and bite through their anuses is very endearing.
are they actually just arsing through their mouths?
Get a barn, lock loads of badgers, foxes, deer, Countryside Alliance members and pigeons in it and see who wins.
In conversations about population control. So I was thinking there must be millions of them. Whereas the CA members must be pretty small, so they'd definitely take a few hits.
The dogs would get to stand around the edge and run a book.
All you'd need is a little cross-breeding hanky panky and we'd be overrun by flying deer-sized badgers. With massive chips on their shoulders.
The pigeons would've hoovered em up early (barn) doors.
What have cows ever done for us, with their stupid cowy faces?
Badger milk and cheese is an untapped natural resource worth exploring.
I could name at least 10 good cows.
still - TWO good badgers in history.
someone just needs to broker a peace deal between them
dun dun dun *camera zooms into my face*
As if dairy farmers don't have it hard enough with ridiculous (sometime loss making) milk prices, they then have to shoot a bunch of their herd because of TB, which surely could be controlled.
And sheep farmers trying to make a living only to see badgers eating lambs before they are even fully out of the Ewe's body, yet can do nothing about it apart from stand and watch, and try and scare them off (which doesn't work)
I understand that it's just the way of nature, but when farmers can see this happening before their very eyes and cannot do anything apart from accept that they'd get seriously prosecuted if they got caught protecting their own herds/flock, it is pretty devastating, let me assure you.
one has been caring for their day to day (or month to month) health is killed by something else. I got so angry with rats that had been nibbling hens feet so the blood dripped down that they could then lap up, that I was once rushing round with a fork that I aimed at one at my feet and a prong went through my welly, luckily also went between big toe and the next one, (although they both bled).
unfortunately that would entail hiring someone to stand in the middle of a field all night every night, in the hope of spotting a badger, eating a lamb/calf etc which is not particularly cost effective, especially for farmers who have just had 20% of their herd of cows shot in the head because that is more favourable to people than shooting/controlling a badger
Hence my first hand experience, which I mentioned above
what an idiotic comment
so yes, let's do it. Didn't even bother to look at which animal you're talking about...no time. Every second I waste reading your waffling is a second I'm not mixing poison in a drum
The badger grunting on his woodland track
With shaggy hide and sharp nose scrowed with black
Roots in the bushes and the woods, and makes
A great high burrow in the ferns and brakes.
With nose on ground he runs an awkward pace,
And anything will beat him in the race.
The shepherd's dog will run him to his den
Followed and hooted by the dogs and men.
The woodman when the hunting comes about
Goes round at night to stop the foxes out
And hurrying through the bushes to the chin
Breaks the old holes, and tumbles headlong in.
When midnight comes a host of dogs and men
Go out and track the badger to his den,
And put a sack within the hole, and lie
Till the old grunting badger passes bye.
He comes and hears—they let the strongest loose.
The old fox hears the noise and drops the goose.
The poacher shoots and hurries from the cry,
And the old hare half wounded buzzes bye.
They get a forked stick to bear him down
And clap the dogs and take him to the town,
And bait him all the day with many dogs,
And laugh and shout and fright the scampering hogs.
He runs along and bites at all he meets:
They shout and hollo down the noisy streets.
He turns about to face the loud uproar
And drives the rebels to their very door.
The frequent stone is hurled where e'er they go;
When badgers fight, then every one's a foe.
The dogs are clapt and urged to join the fray;
The badger turns and drives them all away.
Though scarcely half as big, demure and small,
He fights with dogs for bones and beats them all.
The heavy mastiff, savage in the fray,
Lies down and licks his feet and turns away.
The bulldog knows his match and waxes cold,
The badger grins and never leaves his hold.
He drives the crowd and follows at their heels
And bites them through—the drunkard swears and reels.
The frighted women take the boys away,
The blackguard laughs and hurries on the fray.
He tries to reach the woods, an awkward race,
But sticks and cudgels quickly stop the chase.
He turns again and drives the noisy crowd
And beats the many dogs in noises loud.
He drives away and beats them every one,
And then they loose them all and set them on.
He falls as dead and kicked by boys and men,
Then starts and grins and drives the crowd again;
Till kicked and torn and beaten out he lies
And leaves his hold and cackles, groans, and dies.
Some keep a baited badger tame as hog
And tame him till he follows like the dog.
They urge him on like dogs and show fair play.
He beats and scarcely wounded goes away.
Lapt up as if asleep, he scorns to fly
And seizes any dog that ventures nigh.
Clapt like a dog, he never bites the men
But worries dogs and hurries to his den.
They let him out and turn a harrow down
And there he fights the host of all the town.
He licks the patting hand, and tries to play
And never tries to bite or run away,
And runs away from the noise in hollow trees
Burnt by the boys to get a swarm of bees.
love persecuting other big animals (specially carnivores/omnivores)
similar arguments occured then.
But to sum up
1) Badgers and cows can pass on tb to each other.
2) culls of badgers in an area can cut bovine infection by up to 25%....THAT IS ALL.....IT DOES NOT STOP BOVINE INFECTION.....BOVINE INFECTION REMAINS AT 75%......outside of cull areas infection rates increase. If you are prepared to cull for such a low benefit then you are a cunt.....remember this is not for the cows benefit, it is for consumer industry benefit (do not think poor cows, the industry treats bovinity very shoddily)
3) It is not understood the part that birds have to play with infection carriage between areas.......birds AND badgers snuffle round in cow dung, because of the insects (perhaps farmers should have to clear up their cows mess :D) Birds often carry insects off to other areas/fields (im not suggesting that it is the birds that contract the to and pass it on to cattle (although birds can pass tb on to dogs/cats/humans
4) why not cull cows to save badgers? :D
5) why not innoculate badgers.
yes I know that life can be cruel, but just reflect on the first paragraph or so in this, and ask yourself whether ALL babies being taken from their mother in the first day is not cruel to mothers and babies, given what you feel you might know regarding big mammals, just for starters.....ok so you want your milk/bittie....so you are prepared to accept this institutionalised misery? for the mass milk consumer industry....fine, my point is not to convince you that you shouldnt drink milk, my point is to show that the proposed badger cull IS NOT FOR THE BENEFIT OF BOVINES
6) 'whitemen' really are arrogant pompous self important tossers, thinking that they should have the right to decree mass extermination of animals that are shy, reclusive, self sufficient and dont degrade the environment, merely because they are an animal that can contract and pass on a disease.....just like most mammals can.....the badger being singled out for this fate because whitemen have not harnessed badgers to an economic system yet.....please try to be a human being and not a whiteman. OF COURSE THIS PROPOSED CULL IS MONSTROUS
it was this. Sure there's something relevant here.
the pilot cull in Gloucestershire has been abandoned completely.
Good work to everyone involved.
"The environment secretary, Owen Paterson, said previously he wanted to roll out the culls across the country, but will have to wait for the verdict of an independent panel of experts. The panel – which will judge whether the culls have been effective, safe and humane – said it would only consider the initial six-week periods of shooting in Gloucestershire and the other pilot cull in Somerset. Both areas failed to meet the target of killing 70% of badgers in the six weeks."
That's going to be a tricky call for the panel of experts.
I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
If I catch any human doing this then they can expect me to punish them accordingly and appropriately (I will probably use the RSPCAs series of punishments as a guideline.
It would seem that this, human, 'Owen Paterson' is encouraging this offending, I would punish him, but I would probably lack the resource to be able to do so (given the probability that he will employ many burly boys to protect him)
We've all got your back.
when you're walking home at night and you see some badgers. Definitely keep them
but not checking to see if they had TB. They weren't running the test to check for the actual disease they were saying was an issue and trying to reduce and prevent the spread of....u wot m8? I mean, if in 6 months there was a drop in bovine TB they could say 'oh, well, it was a success etc' but to not take the opportunity to test dead badgers there and then screams 'scared of being proven wrong'
due to 'perturbation.' Owen Patterson tells parliament that the Gloucestershire cull was a success.