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completely missed this
It's almost written in Swedish.
ffs Jens Lekman, when will you learn your lesson
Just read the first few and they all jump to their own conclusions without clearly knowing anything more about the situation than what they just read
I mean, sure, it sounds odd to hear people rioting when youth unemployment in the area is double the national average, at 6% (compared to a UK average of 21% now), but given that one of the drivers was police authoritarianism and neo-lib policies that have led to widening inequality, I don't think it's that simple.
He knows what's going on.
which stands for Rättssäkert och effektivt verkställighetsarbete - basically a cooperation between the migration board & the police which involves the Police randomly stopping non-white individuals on public transport and demanding to see their ID (Swedes carry ID cards) in order to ascertain whether they have rights to be in the country
basically a massive state-sponsored discrimination policy which has left a LOT of people feeling very isolated from their community
also lots of general racism from the Police over the last few years plus there was this incident a couple of weeks ago http://www.thelocal.se/47894/20130514/#.UZ3fZYLR22w and many others like it
it's true that in Sweden 66% of long-term unemployed (1 year +)are non-Swedish born - though depending on your point of view you might conclude that that means immigrants are lazy and uneducated ... or that the Swedish labour market suffers from deep institutional racism
After decades of practising the Swedish model of generous welfare benefits, Stockholm has reduced the role of the state since the 1990s, spurring the fastest growth in inequality of any advanced OECD economy.
I thought Sweden - and by extension Stockholm - was all Pinko socialism, all the time.
The Social Democrats are still the largest party in the Swedish Riksdag
however, due to proportional representation and populist tub-thumping the centre-right coalition currently has power and is neo-liberal in their policies which, along with a VERY large influx of refugees from Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia & now Syria (and further back from the Balkans, Chile, Greece & Palestine) has created something of an underclass since the turn of the millenium
which has in turn allowed the right-wing Sweden Democrats party to gain seats, which has in turn ratcheted up the Immigration politics nonsense from the centre-right Govt.
i thought you guys were cool
that is seemingly unaware of their inherent casual racism and see statements like this as pragmatism or realism of some kind because they are not generally exposed to groups or communities who would set them straight
fortunately they are in the minority
unfortunately many of them are leaders of some kind
I just preferred to imagine it was a Socialist utopia.
I bet all the women aren't fit either :'(
some things are better left a happy lie
and I can confirm that about 85% of the women there that night were smoking hot. Some of them may have been Danish, I guess.
Not all of them. I tentatively (and unsuccessfully) chatted up the girl I thought was fittest of all and she was Danish (or lying).
as I did when I went into Stockholm library.
is a necessary evil in preserving utopia?
has some unacceptably different social and cultural attitudes.
Swedish society is open and welcoming and tries to be fair and just - that's an essential part of the 'utopia'
Swedish authority on the other hand is full of institutional (and thus often personal) prejudice
has to be taken seriously.
I was just making a point
these riots have stemmed directly from the Police shooting dead a pensioner and lying about the circumstances surrounding his death - that's the trigger anyway - a long and deep-seated institutional racism from Swedish Police and politicians concerning suburbs with high levels of immigrants has been piling the tinder for a while now
Without using any words at all that might indicate that people do not have a uniform stance on violence whatever part of the world they're from or whatever culture they're influenced by.
You can pretend they're rioting because some poor old chap was shot dead while innocently rocking on his porch all you want, but the reality is he was waving a knife around and threatening to stab a policeman. Same with Mark Duggan in the London riots; personally my respect stops short of folk wielding deadly weapons with apparent intent to use them and people shouldn't be inciting violence in their honour.
It's clear to me that these things are happening because some people don't like the values of the countries that have taken them in and given them the freedom to protest in this way. They would do well to remember that there are parts of the world where political dissent means a bullet through the head, and ask themselves if they really want that to be the case in wonderful, free countries like France, Sweden and the UK, because they're going that way about it.
so what exactly are these values they don't like? can you be less vague?
I can understand folk being hacked off with the police, but attacking firemen just seems like utter contempt for the most basic systems that keep a populace safe. They just want to see communities burn and impose the law of the jungle in the ashes. But still, carry on defending them; it's only the future of civilised society after all.
immigrants hate firemen, which is why they're routinely murdered everywhere that isn't western europe. silly me.
You've also completely, maybe deliberately, misunderstood/mis-remembered the Mark Duggan thing. It was the subsequent lying and cover-ups of the police, plus the fact that his family were told nothing and were informed of his death by news reports that prompted the initial demonstrations, which were then mis-handled by the police until they became a riot.
i mean their handling of it was terrible, but such is the distrust of the police that i don't see what could have prevented it. it only took 24 hours for them to spark outside of the neighbourhood, right? the heatwave was probably the main factor for how quickly the riots spread; things cooled off as soon as it started raining on Thursday, at least outside of London.
that was a whole myriad of factors including social exclusion, mistrust of those in power, lack of respect for the police, lack of respect by the police etc etc etc.
But the riots would not have happened when they did if the police hadn't completely mis-handled the situation at the initial demonstration. It started with a peaceful demonstration outside the police station by the family and other community members on the Saturday afternoon, protesting against the lack of information and mis-information from the police relating to Mark Duggan's shooting. There were numerous opportunities for the police to defuse the situation throughout the whole afternoon and evening and they failed to do so. I don't believe that the people on the march set out to riot, and I don't believe that it was inevitable that they would.
and at what point does distrust of the police turn into an excuse to destroy local communities and attack other emergency responders, assuming these people are just innocent folk trying to get on with their lives and not simply opportunistic, violent people who think respect is demanded and not earned? Something you seem to think only politicians are capable of being.
and b) when the police lose control of the situation.
I'm not sure I understand your second question, unless you seem to think that I've condoned or not condemned the rioters, which isn't the case.
You're going to have to explain your last sentence too, because I don't follow what it's referring to.
If you read this, is gives a pretty decent run down of the failings of the police regarding the Duggan shooting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Mark_Duggan
might have a go at translating it because it says everything that needs to be said about what causes riots
i hope things get sorted soon.
Stockholm is pretty easily navigable, loads of stuff to do. I recommend the train that goes from malmo then on a ship then Berlin. Look for cheap last minute ferries from Stockholm to aaland/Helsinki.