Hi, live reveal innit
Watch it here
or other places
im gonna need to see something amazing to make me want to buy one over a ps4
you mean the original xbox?
no the third xbox. the one after the 360.
even down to their stupid branding/numbering ideas.
If one of the designers on my team had done that, I'd have given them a bollocking.
They basically killed all their old branding as part of the Windows 8 launch and Metro desktop. It's awful though, agreed.
unless you have a non-accent and speak in an unnaturally precise way.
I can't imagine what kind of person is going to start talking to their phone as they are walking around ASDAS doing their shopping or while they are sat on the train.
you'd look a total fudd
But as soon as someone else is in the house, you are going to feel like a right prick
even in private.
I'd have to agree with you actually.
My gamepad has been working perfectly well for the past 20 years to navigate menus!
Where Hey You Pikachu and Seaman for Dreamcast set the world ablaze
Or is Siri fine for some reason?
but not using actual in game footage.
show some gameplay and i might actually get excited.
Trying to own the home entertainment market, aren't they?
They spent the first 20 minutes talking about Kinect, then showed some random ass footage of various sportsmen talking about... sports and now they're talking about television. Halo's getting a tv show!
This is a games console right?
gave a few specs too
which is of absolutely no consequence to people outside of the US.
HERE'S LOADS OF STUFF PRETTY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY GOT THAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE AND HOPEFULLY SOME PEOPLE CAN MAKE STUFF FOR IT YOU MIGHT LIKE NOW WE'VE TOLD THE WORLD ABOUT IT.
First good game expected for Wii U, Xbox One and PS4 sometime in late 2014.
It certainly looks like it's sell very well, it has a lot going for it, and 15 new exclusive games within the first year... hmmm interesting.
but not one single game demo is a bit weak. Is all the tv integrated stuff even gonna work outside the US?
so it looks like it'll take any tv source
which is worse in my opinion
but you have to pay a "fee" for a secondhand game, which is pretty much the same thing! http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-one-has-preowned-fee-6408671
what a disaster
and no more EA titles on the Wii U? What's the logic behind this?
Sony's share price since the start of the announcement:
instead of just a gaming console but anyone who's had a 360 knows the ridiculous pricing of things on Xbox Live means you can't take advantage of all the available features without spending a fortune. Unless Microsoft have massively changed their business model I can't see anything to make me think the new Xbox is gonna be better than a PS4.
I buy a games console for pure gaming. It's why I don't do PC gaming, is because I want pure gaming, none of this other shit.
isn't it? *troll face*
but I was more meaning that I want just a games console. Not a "media console"
Since 360/PS4 you've had to install games, patch, keep the system updated. A PC with an SSD is just as quick to boot. I'd say the only advantage of a console is local multiplayer.
with as many controllers as your pc allows and id argue more local multiplayer games are released on pc these days!
building a gaming pc just seems like it would be an endless ball-ache of trying to get drivers to work.
especially for anything more recent than the SNES, but then I haven't used an emulator in a while.
More local multiplayer on PC, really? Apart from the big sports and fighting games that see release on PC (FIFA, Street Fighter) I can't really think of any. You don't get many split-screen FPSs, that's for sure.
Even setting up 4-player FIFA on PC sounds like a monumental faff to me, although the Steambox might make inroads with that.
Ever since Xbox controllers became standardised on PC it's become plug n play for most multiplayer games.
But the point I was trying to get at is the PC can be better for multiplayer games at home as well due to the flexibility. Not that it matters anyways :P
I don't want a kinect, I don't want a new way to watch tv, I wouldn't use it for music or movies and it will be shit for browsing the internet.
I just want to play games on it.
Kinect HAS to be connected for it to work http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/21/xbox-one-will-not-function-without-kinect-attached
Mine is always connected and never is used. Plus it comes with one, right?
Does this mean more Kinect games and less controller games?
Because when you see it, you turn 1 degree and walk away.
I am really interested in what the Steam box is doing and how it will be
You didn't notice when HTC, having released about 10 fucking phones called HTC One, followed by an arbitrary letter, finally released the HTC One. Not at all confusing.
and then if your disc gets used on another machine it deactivates the installation on the first machine and/or charges for use on the second machine.
Don't know what that means for borrowing games or for returning games to shops or buying games pre-owned or using games on multiple accounts on the same machine or...
just trying to figure out what percentage of the presentation was relevant to most of the world.
XBOX ONE NEEDS TESTERS. LIKE AND SHARE TO BE IN WITH A CHANCE TO BE ONE OF THE LUCKY TESTES
No one is interested in fucking voice commands
good grief, that was fucking abysmal. And having to constantly stay online to use the damn thing? JFC Microsoft, good luck with that one.
and apparently the cheering in the audience was phoney...
If so, which cretins are they asking about their wishes for a new console, and WHO is answering 'oh i love voice activated shit and waving my arms'?!
when it's not exactly a strenuous task using a controller or remote? i can't believe that was a main focus of the presentation.
- Always on Kinect. Like, even when it's off, it's on. An always on internet connected camera? In my living room? That is always listening? I don't think so.
- No backwards compatibility is obviously a technical issue, but by god it's a fucking ridiculous thing. Can't believe it.
- The name. Xbox "One"? Shithouse.
- Not really happy about the idea that games automatically install onto the hard drive.
- Saves are being stored in the cloud too? No thanks.
- The TV functionality is good, but I am shocked to find that the only solid thing in the presentation was something that is only for one country (not even one territory). Come on, Apple wouldn't release the most major part of their next Apple TV with it only being for the US. Christ.
- I know E3 is for games, but only a teaser for the EA series /that we all knew was coming out anyway/ and a new Call of Duty game /that no one who is over the age of 16 cares about/? FFS. The others made so little impact I can't even remember what they were.
- Looks very nice.
- The new kinect is incredibly powerful - measures pressure of someone's stance, and can read their heart beat! That's incredible, even if you can't really use it for games.
- The controller is hawt.
-your first point is a very good and fair one.
-the PS4 isnt backwards compatible either.. so.. no ground lost - competivitely
-people will buy things regardless of the name.. eg wii
-cant see this being a big problem tbh, with the size of the hardrive n that
-this saves in the cloud thing.. doesnt that mean that it does in fact always need to be connected.. if you want to carry on where you left off..? concerning.
-Xbox biggest market is the USA.. and theyve got 6months to get it sorted out before they release it.
-E3 is for games. theyve already shown more than at the PS4 announcement.. which was.. a controller... wooo.
-its a black box..
-not sure about kinect.
-xbox has had the best controller for sometime. just hope old ones are still usable..??
Some more comments:
- No ground lost on the backwards compatibility competiviely, sure - but all my games won't run now. Which is a damn shame.
- The hard drive is 500Gb, right? And a blu-ray is up to 50Gb? It really depends on what they are installing... but if it's the whole disk, that's only ten games. :/ 500Gb doesn't buy you a lot any more.
- I don't expect the old controllers to work; the new Kinect can read where the controller is, by what i assume is some new fangled tech, not it being clever enough to recognise the controller's shape.
Sure they showed the big black box but Sony showed off at least 5 or 6 next gen games and showed people actually playing them so you could see what they looked like.
like that capcom game trying to pose as in game footage.
even if what you're seeing is actually a rendered approximation of what's to come at least you got some vague idea of what's coming rather than some predictable multiformat stuff and 'ooooh, mystery games!'
Also it's E3 in a couple of weeks, it wasn't a great presentation, but I had a feeling E3 would be where the games were shown. So far I'm placing my monies on the PS4 though.
they didnt actually show what it looks like when you play the game did they? I dont care if someone is playing the game right there or not, but i wanna see what the gameplay actually looks like.
they just manipulated the camera in a way to show off the graphics as much as possible.
COD specifically said the was in game footage within the trailer and the was in game footage in the behind the scenes video.
the lighting and environmental effects are the sort you've been seeing on the PC for the past year or so.
this is what games will look like on both systems (roughly) run it on 1080p and if what they're saying it's true it needs to be capable enough to run games at this sort of fidelity at launch.
its just not gameplay though.
so you want to see what features the new games will have as opposed to old ones?
For now it'll probably be just dynamic environments :D
Yeah we'll probably need to hold out to E3 for that
but some people seem to be saying that the CoD stuff had no HUD or anything, so probably wasn't in-game footage?
I've got a complete distrust of what's shown at these conferences these days, so maybe being too cynical.
As I say, I didn't see it myself, just saw the usual outraged comments from people.
but they might have come off better if they specifically announced this intention in advance, rather than let people sit through the launch thinking 'why aren't they showing any games?' and bitching about it so much afterwards. I imagine they'd have still got a lot of stick but at least that would have looked like them controlling the situation.
They showed Watchdogs being played.
They showed actually gameplay of that first game with the robot thing.
They showed at least 3 or 4 other game trailers.
what would they have to show at E3..?
I totally get why they didnt show a bunch of games, but they could have showed jut one gameplay demo.
between both presentations and E3.. I think they were right to hold something back for E3.
They stopped being about games when the big 3 realized they could make more money off added subscription, fees, and content they offer than they could with the royalties they make off of selling games.
If anyone thinks that XBL will not be mandatory and will not increase in price, they are delusional. That US $400 million dollar exclusive agreement with the NFL will be another fee for those interested. Having Steven Spielberg make a Halo TV series will also be an added fee.
It was reported that XBL brought in close to US $2.4 billion to Microsoft in their last financial report. Given the industry average of $7 going to the console developer for each game sold, that means north of 342 million games would have to be sold to achieve that number. That's a lot of 3rd party games.
I mean, there is a clawback occurring here.
that's pretty damning
It looks fucking massive.
i saw a pic of someone standing next to it and it looked like some big huge VCR from the 80's. I dont actually care what it looks like though.
That you'd build a massive box that needs to be housed somewhere.
I've loved both Xbox's but I doubt I'll be able to shell out for this one anyway.
I couldn't quite tell amidst all the bullshit I don't have even the smallest of fucks to give about.
From what I've seen of the next generation I'm just gonna skip it and go full PC I think. The consoles aren't offering me anything. I can't help but feel they're not made for or aimed at me any more: I'm not where the money is, so they've left me behind. Fair enough.
Though the biggest drawback to becoming a PC gamer is the risk I'll turn into a PCvangelist like yesiamaduck. Safetywink.
No one makes the games I want to play any more, and the ones I do want to play can be played on ten year old PCs or games consoles.
but all the interesting stuff is on PC :3
I'm holding out hope that those steam boxes are decent and don't cost a fortune.
I'm not quite ready to go the full theo and get an anti-static wristband just yet.
it sounds like they will cost a lot of money
If they could somehow make one of those at an affordable price I'd be all over it. Can't see it in the near future though.
(with the obvious provisos of Kinnect working properly this time and the availibility of TV functionality in various countries)
As far as a consumer product launch goes arguably its biggest problem is the Xbox branding.
Looking at it objectively - if it were simply called something like the One for example - I like the sound of it as an overall packge which is seemingly how MS are pitching it.
The moment you have that Xbox name attached it changes expectations completely and people quite understandably want to talk gaming.
Keeping things in perspective it's still pretty safe to day it will be a good gaming machine and in reality there's not an awful lot they could have specifically shown gaming-wise that would have excited me a great deal. The nods to anonymous exclusive titles and entirely predictable EA Sports and COD titles were pretty much a waste of time.
I can see what they were trying to do - focussing one what's actuallt new and unique to this machine and differentiating themselves from the competition - but whereas they seemed to make a big deal of picking up on the negative feedback Sony got from not showing off their machine they also seemed slightly oblivious to what people really liked from that show.
was a very smart move as that's what most people have been craving for quite some time.
As said above I think for what it is it looks like a really nice piece of kit and is far superior to any of the current living room competition when it comes to making an all in one box.
I like it, just disappointed they didn't show any games, but I know they're coming so what the hell?
one to push the 'One' aspect of it and another to get into the details on the gaming side - I know this is probably their plan for E3 but I think having the sole spotlight of their own event would have been much better for them.
It's nice to know they actually have some new IPs and exclusive content, although that doesn't mean much until we have some more details (although there's some pretty strong rumours of BANJO!)
rather than an actual decoder or whatever? that was the impression that I got
the is no cable input
you'll probably just be able to switch to tv quickly
How does my coaxial arial connect via HDMI?
plus the services are only going to be available in the US at launch.
I thought it was basically a dvr?
They had that real time sport stat thing, but that will just be pulled off the internet so surely everyone can access that? idk
the fantasy football thing would be fucking sweet if I was into that thing instead of using some ropey app on my phone.
what does it offer that people can't get from their PC (assuming it's not set up to be a gaming rig too)? The PC most people already own already? I really don't see the appeal.
They're offering a different way to watch TV - via their apps, original series on Xbox (the more I think about that the more mental it sounds) and the fact that their box doesn't give you TV, only parses what you already watch...
Imagine the broadband speeds in 2021.
and on an opinion poll about which next gen console you'd buy, the Wii U was winning. IMAGINE THAT?!?!
Didn't watch the conference but for that to be the case, they must have really fucked up.
Maybe the Wii U being similar tech to current gen will encourage smaller studios to develop for that instead...
You can't trust anything regarding video games on the internet because of the community. You've got to remember these are the same butthurt teens that voted EA the WORST COMPANY IN THE WORLD 2 years running.
They don't all hate EA when they buy FIFA every year.
Sure that come E3, all 3 companies will release some pretty good games and do fine. First year or so of every console is traditionally ropey as hell anyhow.
Sadly not really any of these 3 new machines are appealing to me thus far. Like a few others in this thread, think my time of gaming might be coming to an end...
and say that the people who buy FIFA every year are not the same people who are into gaming to the extent that they'd vote in a poll like this, or even buy more than two games a year (FIFA and Call Of Duty, usually).
I think you're underestimating the number of people who like having a very vocal opinion/jumping on a bandwagon without having to inconvenience themselves with any sort of conviction
As I kept saying when everyone was claiming the Wii U was the worst thing in the world, the internet always overreacts to everything gaming related. There's always a big backlash to anything announced by a major gaming company, but they'll still all sell tens of millions regardless.
I still wonder if i should get one every now and then.
I know Sony/MS couldn't care less because I would barely make them any money anyway, but it's sort of sad to think there's this whole area of stuff happening that I feel intimidated to access because the barriers to entry are so high - not just cost, but the technical aspects, the demands to be always online, the add-ons and everything else. Once upon a time I enjoyed fucking around on Vice City and playing Timesplitters with my mates. Now I feel like that's completely old fashioned and none of the companies are looking to support that. So I'll keep my PS2 until it gives up the ghost then never play games again. Or maybe get a a Wii, idk.
And you can get emulators on pc/phones/tablets.
Is the issue that gaming's changing, or that you are? You know, growing up, can't come home from school at half three in the afternoon and fuck about on a console for the rest of the evening (day?) because you've actually got to make dinner and put some washing on?
and I mean a lot. Lay down £5 - £10 for a 4 hour experience, it's probably the best route for people jaded with the current AAA product.
A lot of dodging answers as is usual at this stage of a console cycle, probably because they don't know all the answers themselves yet, but a few major concerns and a few that don't seem so unreasonable.
Still probably won't be interested though.
Is this license thing going to be like transferring ownership of a car? But it seems like Microsoft are trying to make more money out of it whereas the original car dealer doesn't get the money from a second hand car.
So, you take your game to a second-hand shop, give your xbox credentials, get your money
Shop logs it, so MS know it's your copy in the 2ndhand system. I guess they then suspend your account on the cloud?
Person buys it from shop, gives their xbox credentials.
License transferred over to that person.
Do they pay again when they load it up? A reduced fee or the full one?
What is this fee that extra machines have to pay? Is it the cost of the game or a reduced amount.
They've killed a lot of the social aspect I used to love about gaming.
I'm getting back into consoles because my son is coming of age, as it were. He's had a Wii for a while but at some point he (read, me) will want to play grown-up games (Mario Galaxy is pretty full on though). I'm pretty excited about it, I've been out of the scene for about 15 years and have no idea how to even load a game anymore let alone play them. I've never played an xbox.
So because I am old school, this anti-social money hunting strategy is putting me right off considering an xbox. I guess Sony will be doing something similar for PS4 though so this attitude is going to be the norm. Games company;s have been trying to figure out a way to get some cash back on 2nd hand and sharing the whole time, and now internet-access, online-accounts/profiles and cloud based data have given them a way to do it.
Seems fair enough evolution in the business world, but a real shitter for the customers.
There's a good comment under that article that says something along the lines of "keep games as a product, not a service and accept you can't perpetually charge for them"
the second hand retail market has gotten way out of hand and it's really detrimental to the publishers.
but hopefully digital retail will take off and you'll get some decent sales on the Xbox for once. At least that means you'll still get the games for a low price long after release and the publishers see the money from it.
How many studios have gone under this year?
Likewise, these machines getting so powerful and us expecting lifelike AI and graphics isn't helping them either. Hence why I think we're seeing so many people returning to niche, retro titles or mobile gaming.
1) Microsoft stopped trying to pretend that going to war on the used game market is actually to make life better for the consumer. It's not. No one believes that. It's utterly ludicrous for you to suggest otherwise (see also: EA talking about microtransactions)
2) They just spoke like human fucking beings about it. Example (quoted from the Edge website):
When we asked what happens if players want to lend a game to a friend, Spencer replied: “I think the whole idea of a secondary market is important and it’ll be important in the next generation and we’ve designed [Xbox One] with that in mind from the beginning. We think there are a lot of advantages of having your content assigned to you digitally – we did that on 360 with cloud-saved games – and we want to do that with content.”
Asked about lending games to friends, they talk about 'secondary markets.' What the fuck even is that? Who are you addressing that response to? Who programmed you and was English their first language?
the idea of having to pay an activation fee for a 2nd hand game doesn't bother me and makes a certain amount of sense in (hopefully) making sure the right people get suitably rewarded for the games they make (which depends on who is taking a cut of that particular pie) but it does need to be priced appropriately.
Given the scale of the 2nd hand market you'd assume that a relatively modest charge (a couple of quid maybe) would add up to quite a bit without massively changing the cost to the consumer.
It remains to be seen whether this is genuinely a plan to monetise the thriving pre-owned market or to try and indirectly shut it down.
seems like there would be only select 2nd hand shops that are hooked up to licensing the games with Microsoft. If you buy a game from an unlicensed dealer you won't be able to access it.
Is there a precedent for that in any other business?
Apple and ipod synching perhaps.
I think my idea is a good model for how it could work.
*pats self on back*
> has no idea how modern games work <
I presumed it would just be an on-console activation/deactivation rather than messing about with instore systems.
I can't really be bothered reading much more about this sort of thing until there are some actual official hard facts to work from.
their approach to 2nd hand sales being 'consumer focused' or whatever I think it will have to involves the shops where games are bought. Depends on the fee to access it I guess.
further speculation is pointless, indeed.
rather than ones you'll finish in 6 hours and never want to pick up again
There are loads of great, grown up games on the Wii.
Xenoblade Chronicles, Zelda Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime Trilogy, Metroid Other M, Donkey Kong, Last Story, House of the dead Overkill, No more heroes, Silent Hill shattered memories, Fatal frame 2, Resident Evil 4, Okami. That lot will keep you busy for about 3 years.
THE FRAME RATE! That fucking Frame Rate... excellent campy fun though :D
Might go for Zelda in the near future - he's still a bit young for the gory killing games.
Guess I'll check back in in a few years and see how this all turned out
They'll be fine in the US, though, which I suppose is their primary concern.
trying to kill the 2nd-hand game industry, hopefully will be the death-knell of the x-box.
- Forced online activation for all games
- Massive emphasis on TV, services and non game related focus
- Live TV services available in US only at launch, requires separate device
- No headset included
- Over emphasis on Kinect interface
- Xbox One not being backwards compatible with the 360 games or accessories.
- Microsoft's failed attempts to correct PR with contradicting FAQ's, vague responses, misinformation.
- DDR3 confirmed instead of GDDR5 (PS4 has 8GB GDDR5)
- Potentially Only 5GB of the 8GB ram available for games (3GB for OS)
- Only HDMI for output.
- 3 OS's; 1 for games, one for multimedia and one to facilitate between them
- Kinect needed to be plugged in for Xbox One to function
- Non-replaceable Hard Drive (though not as much an issue, as external drives are supported similar to other consoles)
Unconfirmed issues that still need clarification:
- How much is this gonna cost? Rumoured £300plus
- Complex used games system that is anti consumer?
- How the hell does game borrowing work?
- Charged fee for playing used games on non linked profile?
- Console that needs to be connected to internet every 24 hrs to play games? (Phil Harrison says one thing, ms backtracked a bit later)
- Console quite large whilst still also using quite a large external power brick? (Conflicting reports)
Seems installations are linked to live accounts, in which case you'll have to buy a copy of the game for everyone who uses the same xbox.
im sure if both live acounts have the same address then you can use the disc.
[I'm sure I read that] several accounts/machines linked as a family a/c would all have access to the same stuff
Otherwise I think the account of the game license holder would need to be logged in to the machine to play (maybe just as a 2nd player would be ok?)
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