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How will his playing career be remembered?
What do you think he'll do now?
2) Carry on being a prick
but he's the perfect example of how far good marketing can take you.
Although I do think he comes over as a genuinely decent bloke. I know he's probably taken advantage of his fair share of the women that have been throwing themselves at him, but I think he's a reasonable role model for a young footballer - stay fit and healthy, use your talents wisely, plan for the future etc. Seems a good family man these days too
Apparently fucking the nanny is good role model behaviour. Amazing how he got through that (relatively) unscathed.
I missed that one
Her subsequent career involved wanking off a pig on TV.
Wasn't it Jude Law that doinked the nanny?
Maybe I'm naive but I feel like he's probably been a faithful husband.
But he did go on to do this, so fair play:
Can't see him in management somehow
as one of the best English players of his generation, if not the best.
I'd have him behind Scholes certainly, probably Lampard, maybe Ashley Cole.
The most famous of his generation, sure.
then Beckham had the most influence and actually performed for his country more so than Lampard and Scholes(not his fault mind you). Ashley Cole is up there but just suffers from being an unglamorous defender.
but no way did Beckham contribute more to England than either Lampard or Cole (particularly Cole). I think Beckham is under-rated by a significant number of people, but he was a dud for at least the last 30-odd of his caps. I was regularly going to England games towards the end of Beckham's international career and it was embarassing watching him wheeled on to cheers only to do fuck all while other fair better all-round players (Lampard and Gerrard mainly) were hauled off or abused by huge sections of the Wembley crowd.
he was on the bench and coming on instead of the 6 years he captained England. Also bit weird to say a guy who was largely criticised in his partnership with Gerrard as being better when Lampard and Gerrard were both for a very long time the two biggest underachievers compared to their club form. No wonder they were substituted. Im a fan of Lampard but Beckham carried the England team in numerous big games for england and tournaments. Even when he didnt play well he also assisted in many important goals.
I didn't think it was worth going into great detail on why I disagreed. Suffice to say I do, and that I think Beckham regularly underperformed even during his peak years and, one more than one occasion, actually caused his team mates real trouble.
Bit of a nonsense to point out Lampard's and Gerrard's alleged international underachievement (I say alleged- they underperformed, but I've never subscribed to the notion that they specifically did. England are/were weaker than Chelsea/Liverpool are/were) but suggest Beckham had a bigger impact on England given that's not at all demonstrated by England's competition track record.
Lampard and Gerrard both have very good goals/assists stats and from memory many of them have been important contributions and not just the 6th against San Marino or someone.
There wasn't entirely his fault but I felt under the last three years under Sven England played this ridiculously narrow midfield where Beckham's tendency to wander all over the park, combined with Gerrard's tendency to wander all over the park, Rooney's tendency to drop back into the midfield and Lampard's keenness to get forward just led to the most unstructured chaotic midfield on Earth with four players effectively attempting to play the same role.
He was a great player up to 2004 but after that I think reluctance to drop him cost us far more than playing both Lampard and Gerrard in the middle did.
That said I remember how incredible he was against Greece when he chased everything and single-handedly kept us in the game. In a weird way I think he's simultaneously the most over-rated and under-rated England player ever.
but when he played out wide people forget how big a part he played for England. At his peak(Euro 2000 and WC 2002) Beckham set up more than half of England's goals at those finals and scored 1 himself. Dont think any other player played as big a part.
It wasn't until Sven started trying to fit him, Gerrard and Lampard (and arguably Rooney) into the same team that it all started to go wrong.
being a largely positive role model, and for becoming such an icon and wealthy man.
As a footballer, though, i do think he's pretty much always been overrated. The most famous footballer in the world, probably, without ever being one of its best players.
I'll remember him as being, for a time, a very, very good Premier League player. There were four or five years at United when he was really on top of his game and very consistant. Since that, well, just PR really. Did nothing at Madrid and has been on holiday since, though he does deserve some credit for giving the game a boost in the States.
In many ways, he's been great, yeah, but give me a Paul Scholes over a D-Bex23-USA any day. Nice guy, a hard-working pro, good attitude for the most part, but just a bit too much of a fame-seeking robot for me to consider him a proper footballer.
more about his name shifting replica shirts in the Far East rather than anything he might add on the field. But both parties knew this when the contracts were being signed. As Royter says upthread - the marketing became more important than the football
i don't necessarily blame him for that. There was the odd trophy thrown in, and he played for Madrid, Milan and PSG, ffs. Ultimately, £1bn's going to be of more use to your grandkids than a couple more Premier League medals, isn't it?
As I said, I'm sure both he and the teams he signed for did it with the money side uppermost in mind. But then, to be fair to Beckham, he always seemed to take the football seriously - I can't remember seeing him give less than 100% - his attitude always seemed spot on
considering he played regularly for Madrid and Milan. He was also dropped from Madrid's first team and told he would never play for them again but forced his way back into the squad because of his professionalism. The Madrid fans used to chant his name during this time when he was on the bench cos he would regularly come on and set up a goal. Eventually he was starting games again. This was kind of typical of the man who many would just write off as a "shirt seller" or media pretty boy.
Also worth looking up what his madrid team mates said about him, i doubt many would agree he was just there to shift shirts.
I shouldn't have suggested that the Real move was more about money (although I'm sure Madrid had that in mind) but I think the LA, Milan, Paris moves probably were
he was pretty integral in the last half of the season when madrid won the title for the first time (during his time there)...
I think I merged Madrid and Milan together every time I read those words...
I can't be bothered finding it
What a hero.
good at curling a football though.
which is being a model and brand ambassador.
And a big fucking shag.
the team would just end up depressed and annoyed.
It's not that uncommon for footballers at the highest level to be exceptional at one thing and relatively average at everything else. I suspect that criticism has been aimed at Beckham more than some others because of his obnoxious, lowest commona denominator ubuquity.
Moved to the States far, far too early.
absolutely triffic. didn't rate him until i watched him play a game in real life (the worst, most turgid game of ALL time btw, in which he received a bernabeau standing ovation for being sent off) after which i decided he was one of the best players who's played while i've been watching football. not THE best, but top 20, maybe 10 certainly.
Now there's a man who knows how to wear a suit and tie.
''I would say he has been a good player, I wouldn't put him down as a great,'' Waddle, 52, told BBC Radio 5 Live.
''You can go down a list of footballers since the Premier League started and I don't think David Beckham would probably be in the first 1,000.''
but in his prime he was better than Beckham in his.
- although very few would be Englishmen. Can't believe anyone other than Waddle thinks he could name 10 times that many.
England were absolute horseshit that day but Beckham was immense. He was absolutely everywhere, doing everything, probably the best example I've seen of a one man team.
Then having the guts to step up and nail that free kick when he'd ballooned the previous 400 into the upper tier
but i was always under the impression that it was Sheringham who changed the game after D-Bex had spent the entire ninety minutes ballooning stuff over the bar.