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how did that make you feel?
the thread did not go well for the amusingly titled DiSer, unaware as he was of his own buffoonery.
A bit uncomfortable to be honest.
About 10-15 years ago, on occasion.
How did it make me feel? If I can recall correctly, SEXXXXXXY.
and I was so chuffed by it that I told the mrs when i got home,a ssuming that she would be similarly pleased with me.
I had misjudged the situation
I think it's the last sentence
still a chaauuwn
Like, good for you on being attractive to the opposite sex!
loved every minute of it
Take a guess.
You'll find someone someday.
attitudes on this in the UK are so much different to men sexually objectifying women.
If, say, a 50-year-old woman in an office makes a comment to a younger male colleague about his body, bits, or general sexual preferences/prowess, it's harmless banter. Reverse the sexes there, sackable offence.
if I had carried out, I would not only have been sacked but probably arrested for.
I'd be pretty surprised
He reached through a basement window to grope my ass, as I was sitting on a wall in the garden.
The same guy smeared shit all over the bathroom wall later on at the party.
who are these people, and what are they not correctly understanding.
with complete disregard for their emotions?
it's problematic because it's a form of abuse isn't it.
I can't be bothered to explain what objectification means because it takes loads of forms and the nitpicking isn't worth it.
It is problematic in a few ways, but mostly because it implicitly assumes that there is some sort of transcendent quality that separates us from the realm of 'objects' in the first place ... an assumption that is itself pre-loaded with its own problems.
where people supposedly 'objectify' each other by some vague definition that is hard to distinguish from some purer form of sexual desire/appreciation, where it's a thing that men and women can both do to each other on an individual level
it seems to me that the original point of the concept of objectification was less about individual perceptions or attitudes but about images and representations on a wider scale. and i feel like on that level it's more useful to think about 'object' not in the sense of 'thing' - because surely all images of people are 'objectified' in that sense - but more in the sense of a grammatical object: the fact that everyone is always both a subject (doing things, looking at things, judging things) and an object (being done to, looked at, judged), but our structures of representation are built around the presumption of a male subject and a female object. and people fixate on the sexual side of objectification because it's the most obvious and the most titillating but it's there at every level of representation and it's a structural gendered thing, not so much a thing individual people do to each other
groping and sexual comments, which are things that men and women can do to each other on an individual level, but to me those things are covered by concepts like consent and harassment and we don't really need objectification to talk about them and why they're problematic
but it's equally possible to assault, harass, grope etc without denying someone's subjectivity per se.
...or is it about any form of categorisation at all? Including age, gender and social status?
Having someone say you're sexy or groping you unbidden isn't the same as being reduced to a small quantity of generic data - and I can assure you that this is unpleasant.
That said, there is a particularly nasty discourse of reduction aimed at women's appearances that is perpetuated by a proprietary male-homosocial fear of deeper interaction with women and a corresponding female-homosocial role-fulfilment of the competitive, self-excoriating siren. I think this is what happens when an entire gender is ingrained over millennia with a powerful superiority complex, and the other has had to develop an inferiority complex in order to rationalise it
one of them said 'I want to wrap mylegs around his face' I don't think I was supposed to hear, and she was quite drunk.
Like a violent wrestling take-down.
The bloke in Pret hit on me this lunch though. Luckily I was doing my racist old man routine of making foreign people repeat everything they say to me at least three times, think I put him off.
working as a bartender/glass collector in a busy pub at weekends, good grief, horrid gropefest from drunken letches. Grim. You'd turn round to confront them and some pissed up tits out party girl/troll like rugby lad would just be leering at you. Luckily, the bouncers in that place were terrifying and happily throttled anyone that was making my job difficult...
lots of grrrrs
I'm applying for the job of the Nick Nolte of DiS. Grrrrrrr.
(I don't get the Nick Nolte thing though)