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Now I'm confused: is he allowed to or not?
Think about Chris Rock's massive rant using the n word. But even then he seemed aloud to.
Sorry to sound all Guardian but if it's being used as a cultural colloquialism I can't particularly see the problem.
I think I'm too white and uptight for this conversation.
Fucking Girls Aloud.
Admittedly, the fact it was at the PFA dinner creates an interesting context, but it seems to me that Clark Carlisle is doing far too much hand-wringing over it
As forza says, it's not about what Hunter's allowed to say but what's appropriate for that kind of event. Which Hunter definitely wasn't. That's obviously the PFA's fault rather than Hunter's for booking him, mind, but Carlisle's right to apologise as it sounds like it obviously upset people in the room.
I honestly don't understand. Ignoring the n-word moment (which itself is a debatable issue) what's the problem. Too "outrageous" or something? It's a load of footballers. Grown men. I can't see why he's inappropriate.
Too political perhaps. He's pretty deep at times.
It was an extremely high-profile industry awards night.
Everyone's an adult. I seriously don't get it.
But mostly just because it's a fairly safe, corporate industry event and booking an edgy, close-to-the-bone comedian is a recipe for disaster. It's fine to do it at a comedy night where you know people are going to be happy with that but it's a bit silly to assume the all footballers will have stereotypically similar tastes, especially as they come from a wide cross-section of cultures.
Even with the debate of the n-word, you could say "okay, he's black so he can say it" but that's not something that all black people would agree with and there are a lot of black people who really aren't comfortable with the use of the word. But generally booking a comedian who might offend or alienate people at a corporate event is a recipe for disaster.
Reg D Hunter is a nice guy, he is nice, yeah he may be confrontational, but to make a point, to ram a point home and to put absolutes into the context of how people can actually live together and get on (hes not confrontational like frankie boyle) .
Getting on together involves acknowledgement, acknowledgment of our differences, sometimes acknowledgement of our knowledge that others sometimes use a different language from us.....it can be facile to always say that some language is taboo, its context and purpose of being used is also of paramount importance, on the otherhand carte blanche acceptance of language is also a no no
Just that it wasn't great judgement to book him for this.
they should have booked an act in keeping with their level of responsibility/maturity.
it sounds implausible, and yet it might end up like the gremlins all really loving watching snow white
It was obvious but a great finish
Did they just ring round comedians they'd heard of and check who was available?
rather than engaging in the usual backslapping camaraderie.
his sexist and anti-semitic comments caused as much offence, if not more.
is focussed around him using the racial epithet
The issue here's whether or not it was a suitable act at an event hosted by an organisation for who racism is still such a topic of much discussion and quite often embarrassment.
As usual with shit like this (meaning the gig and subsequent story), it's probably not something to get completely outraged about, just a bit surprising that someone somewhere didn't see it coming beforehand.
I like Hunter, and i'm sure most people would take his act, as with any comedian's act, with a pinch of salt, but given the incidents involving Terry, Suarez, to a lesser extent Paul Elliot, you can't really have someone casually dropping n-bombs in the name of laughs, especially whilst it's still pretty obvious that the suits within football (admittedly not at the PFA) still see racism as something of a throwaway issue.
A Mystery Wrapped in a Nigga
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So, er, yeah, not like there was no warning...
It's the PFA's fault for either,
a) booking him, or
b) getting upset about it afterwards.
Imagine you worked at, say, an insurance company, and you were invited to a big insurance industry awards evening with entertainment provided by a guy whose act was the same as Hunter's. You'd probably think it a little odd that a professional industry event was booking anyone outside the safest acts they can find - especially so if your industry has an extremely high profile and has been affected by recent racism scandals.
If you could coin it into some sort of coal-related field, i might be able to get my head round this situation.
and you were invited to a big coal-mining industry awards evening with entertainment provided by a guy whose act was the same as Hunter's. You'd probably think it a little odd that a professional industry event was booking anyone outside the safest acts they can find - especially so if your industry has an extremely high profile and has been affected by recent racism scandals.
This is all starting to make a bit more sense now.
but complain on CoalTalk the next morning.
Apparently the BBC can get him to appear on shows with no undue profanity being spoken so I'm not quite sure what the PFA did wrong.
Or they did make it clear to him and he ignored it, in which case it makes sense for them to complain.
They did something wrong, in my view. The whole tone of their complaint sounds incredibly snobbish to me. I can't imagine any of the people there were strangers to the coarser side of English language.
and more likely to get repeat bookings. Plus, there are plenty of sweary comedians who reign it in for Have I Got News For You, pretty understandably.
there's a certain amount of delicious ironing in the PFA suggesting that a black man from Georgia isn't as sensitive to racism as wot they are.
Seriously, what did they expect?
They should get Frankie Boyle next year.
"Whatever he was paid was too much. We are obviously very upset, because he was briefed. We are very aware that we have a very diverse audience there. I can't think of a redeeming feature where you could say that was positive because I actually think the whole performance from start to finish was dreadful,"
Bobby Barnes there, PFA deputy chief executive.
Will do fine (excluding fans, of course)
"Whatever he was paid was too much"
I don't think Gringo can get too smug.
Was genuinely linking to my thread so that people could amuse themselves with teh snaps