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of all the things to bomb - a marathon?
Thoughts with the runners and everyone else there.
One of my workmates is running that!
So at least long before the blasts
and multiple other points until you cross the finish line. The results are then trackable online instantly, using this link kindly provided by PM: http://raceday.baa.org/individual.html.
My mate finished a couple of hours before the blasts, but haven't heard anything from him since. He was running it as part of some sponsored thing for "Mens Running UK" too. http://www.mensrunninguk.co.uk/stevetranter.obyx
will be a miracle if there arent any
also really distasteful to see a camera man zooming in as close as he possibly can to try and get a closer shot of someone on the floor in agony/seriously injured/dying. Show some respect, ffs
this is an everyday occurrence in some parts of the world
but have there been any confirmations that the explosions were actually caused by bombs?
I only ask because a marathon seems the most unlikely of places to bomb. Gas main or something maybe?
and probably don't have the security measures of bag searches etc that targeting a sporting arena would have....they seem to have been near some seating areas/stands
no confirmation, and i misread a tweet. still to be confirmed.
not clear yet
as is usual, details are sketchy at this stage
I used to work at the corner of Boylston and Tremont and were constantly dealing with potentially dangerous gas line issues.
However, they have found two undetonated devices in two other areas of the city -- one in front of the Mandarin Hotel, the other at the corner of Comm Ave and Dartmouth.
I left Boston in 2011 but am actually moving back later this year. Thankfully, I have contacted all of my friends and family and they are safe. This is absolutely horrifying :(
the security situation for Thatcher's funeral probably just ratcheted up a notch or two
and having your knee blown out my shrapnel 20yds from the finish
but right now I just feel physically sick.
There were separate explosions and there's been reports police have rushed to other sites in the city with rumours of other devices - this doesn't sound like an accident, sadly.
i run this sort of shit all the time, i hate to be one of those "coulda been me!" types but HONESTLY WHY THE FUCK would this happen...
just cause large amounts of spectators would be around? i hate asking WHY because... why does anybody do any horrible shit but it's like... sometimes it's just so much worse when the evil is this calculated.
ah well. BRB moving to new hampshire to wear flannel and never watch the tv ever again
This is so terrible :(
Absolutely outrageous. I hope more information of who did this comes out soon and their motive. I'm sure the London Marathon willl have to up the security ante now. Maybe get extra military on the scene?
This is very sad, I hope no more lives are lost.
including those running it are thinking this. It's a much more plausible thing to be thinking rather than mere speculation as to who did what in Boston
but this has shaken me up a proper treat. Raising money for too good a cause to pull out.
especially from someone in the military who'd want to be on the scene helping out in the case of danger
and I think it's important to remain rational, despite the whole horrid display on the television.
It's almost always impossible to prevent these sort of things from happening, and ramping up the fear factor just makes things worse. That's the whole point of 'terrorism' by definition isn't it -I just think putting an extra troop of squaddies out completely defeats the object. it screams 'police state' rather than 'free world' more than anything.
putting in an extra troop of squaddies isn't what brings about a police state, but it might make everyone feel (emotive) a bit safer (good) in the wake of these events
keep calm and carry on.
I personally wouldn't feel safer with a bunch of armed heavies on every corner - it would feel like a constant reminder that we are UNDER THREAT, and create fear. at which point, the 'terrorists' have achieved their aim.
so yeah, i'm going to stick with rationality, and a stiff upper lip.
First of all I think you underestimate how the public will react to soldiers as added security for events. On the whole, soldiers are generally welcomed in these situations. I know the situation was slightly different in the Olympics, but the military intervention was certainly welcomed - albeit a slight worry about Rapier missile systems employed on rooftops.
Also, soldiers aren't just there for image, they're well trained and extremely perceptive - especially when working as a part of a larger body in their platoon or company. Soldiers are specifically trained to look for sign awareness for things which might link to potential threat or other terrorist occurances. This extensive training has no doubt saved many lives and i'm sure it will continue to do so.
for something as innocuous as a marathon.
The idea that there's some incredibly organised worldwide terrorist network ready to strike at every single public event is absolutely insane though. Like I say, fear.
that extra armed presence is a tool of suppression and an intensification of false oppositional narratives - the enemy is all about, on the cusp of striking!
however, I feel we must sympathise with the fearful, tonight at least. maybe tomorrow also.
but really the right thing to do is exactly what the London team are doing - review their existing procedures with the Met Police and tighten where necessary, not knee-jerk "up the security ante" regardless.
If they believe that their plans are lacking somewhere and the military could help in doing searches at nearby tube stations or something then fair enough, but it needs to be a reasoned judgement.
It is possible to stop these things. Countless terror plans have been stopped before going ahead. So what you say is null and void and I therefore consider anything else in this post or further posts relating to this matter of ill judgment and thus also void.
"I disagree... So what you say is null and void and I therefore consider anything else in this post or further posts relating to this matter of ill judgment and thus also void."
are the words of a twat
and that to let every incident send us into a state of paralysis so that we ask some goon with an M16 to be our protector is letting the terrorists win
people who have lost people due to bombs across the world are unlikely to be upset by an indie music site having a relatively mild disagreement about it.
Innocents are blown up by bombs on most days it seems, when would it ever be 'the right time' for this debate?
Or am I just back handing a silly comment as is the norm of these boards?
Don't take it too much to heart BITT
you'd be hard pressed to name one instance where an increased military presence at grunt level has actually been responsible for foiling a terrorist plot on a domestic level.
he's in the T.A, ergo his opinion on any matter of security carries more weight than yours.
But it's not really in the spirit of the thread. :(
WOAH, WOAH, WOAH
as opposed to say a busted gas main
where did the cars go, or where's the grandstand?
what i meant to say was that it's hard to tell what's in the second circle, or to tell if the two images are even of the same place.
so this is supposed to show us that the bomb was in the letter box or the bin?
Boston Globe reporting first explosion at 671 Broyleston Street, unexploded device at 600, image shows 672. Fuck.
abjection into silence
originally saying it's another bomb.
Just read this from Boston.com: BPD Commissioner Ed Davis says the blast at the JFK Library, which was announced as an unrelated electrical explosion, was actually an explosion that could be related to the explosions on Boylston Street.
Swedish news said it was being reported as a bomb
no reported injuries
were placed in trash cans. The fire at the JFK Library at UMass Boston was unrelated and occurred in their mechanical room. Still, what an eerie coincidence.
Boston.com has an unconfirmed report of a suspect being treated for shrapnel wounds in a Boston hospital.
not to sound trite but be careful what links you click on twitter etc. i just clicked on the wrong thing. people are horribe.
Genuinely horrific. I don't know why I looked.
I mean that. This is not an attempt to titillate. Don't give them the web traffic.
Probably means 'Four Lions' won't be on the telly for ages too...
It baffles me how someone can see something like that right before their eyes and still manage to take a picture. There is now a horrific picture circulating from the moment a guys life changed forever. So upsetting.
The real problem is with the editors and backroom staff who don't filter this stuff and publish things which should never be allowed for release.
Twitter is a whole different bag of cats.
And probably did it as quick as they could rather than helping. I just can't see how someone could think to do that at a time like that. There is a line regardless of what their job is/how they're conditioned. It's disrespectful and opens people up to gawp at a tragic moment.
The photographer is there to document, that's their job. It's what they do. And in a crisis, as marckee says below, everyone wants to be active rather than passive. The guy or girl didn't know anything else to do, so they did what they knew best. Their job isn't to filter. Although perhaps you can argue that's changed given the nature of rolling live coverage and the internet today.
You see so many interviews with war and other photographers who are shell shocked and full of regret post event but who can't recall what they were thinking at the time. They just go into autopilot. Many of them don't even remember taking the photographs. It's just a blur of adrenalin and the need to 'do' something
so I think what I say above holds water pretty well
It just baffles me that that picture can be taken by someone let alone passed around the Internet. I see it as disrespectful to him and his family.
But from the evidence it wasn't the photographer who made that decision. Those responsible for its publication should be fired. When I was younger I lived next to two journalists who worked in major newsrooms for agencies, who supply footage and shots. They reckoned that in the case of disasters and stuff like this 80% of the stuff they received was unbroadcastable. It seems like, for whatever reason, that line is being breached by editors ever more eager to capture online audiences with sensationalism and shock value. That's a sad truth.
I doubt very much whether that photographer is particularly happy with that shot; but regret only comes after the event. But it would never have been in his or her hands for it to be published. Photographers aren't paid for what they submit, only what is used. I hope that any money he or she gains from that picture is given back to the victims, and I also hope that it doesn't haunt that person too much. They've probably seen enough today to drive most people suicidal.
If I'm wrong about all this and it was put out from the source then I take it all back.
at major sports events like Boston, professionals are sometimes set up with wireless links that automatically send their shots to their photo pool, particularly if they're a staff photographer. It's quite possible that those shots were made available for publication without any intervention from the photographer him/herself. A Time interview with a snapper at the finishing line kind of explains it to some extent.
God knows how or why people think to in extreme life threatening situations.
(which they likely would have done for an event like this), and they feel that there's no practical way that they can help, then I guess they just feel that they can help spread information.
It's starts to get a bit 'Black Mirror', but taking photos or film of it sometimes makes people feel like they're participating, being active rather than just passive, being a subject rather than an object of history, I guess.
I dunno... pretty sure I'd try to help. Or, like, run far away.
is really different from shoving a camera in the face of someone who has gone trough massive trauma and then circulating it online.
Things like this happened in the past too, but in the past we depended on newspapers and TV news bulletins to filter and editorialise it and for photographs to be developed from film; but these days the internet and 24hour rolling news makes any editorialising very difficult and digital cameras make publication instantaneous.
But the image of the guy on the roof on twitter :(
could be a communal area, could be a caretaker, security, a resident, etc, etc.
Poorly thought out point from me.
I hate Facebook sometimes.
i'm not saying that's the case here, but it's not just a bizarre conspiracy theory.
couldn't Obama potentially have a lot to lose by a serious breach of national security just as they're debating gun control?
* maybe not, i don't know, i'm asking.
Re: Obama - don't be surprised if this the work of some timothy mcveigh-esque patriot (it is patriots day there after all) - that would be the gun control lobbyists wet dream, surely?
yeah, not sure what to make of that - apart from the fact that the price has dipped recently.
...WHY IS IT WORSE BECAUSE IT'S MARATHON RUNNERS?
there's a good lad.
but I can't get my head around you calling someone else an attention-seeking prick.
will do anything for the attention. even use the news of people's deaths to give themselves some light. pretty low
"Really not feeling any shock over this Boston attack..the U.S. seems to have a massacre every other week. There's actually a lot less casualties this time if anything."
it's a competition to see who can feel the hardest
not the place for this to descend into bickering, but can a mod do everyone a favour and just ban this bellend
also funny how you say "not the place to descend into bickering" and then make an inflammatory comment.
well i agree with you, so i won't reply to anything else you post.
every single time anything of this nature happens, you pop up with the same old predictable, stupid arsehole opinion in order to get The Internet to notice you.
sent you a PM, deal with it there if you want to.
it's like everywhere else on the internet really
but smaller and quieter and, in the main, not quite so reactionary relatively speaking
i mean a lost life is a lost life but something about the setting and the timing is just so bleak.
Your capacity to feel sadness and grief is overwhelmed by what you're witnessing - there isn't a mechanism for coming to terms with scenes like these and atrocities like the Sandy Hook killings. I feel numb. Something about the spirit of a marathon, the fundamental humanity and charity of thousands of people running for good causes makes this painfully poignant. What a world
i'm surprised anyone has the capacity to feel true shock or sadness over events like this anymore.
i mean, it's clearly an awful thing to happen, and that doesn't need to be said.... but it doesn't rock me to my core and lead me to question everything. (rightly or wrongly)
i don't think this is through a lack of empathy or understanding, just.....'oh ok, something really shit happened in the world. again'.
and repeat until the next thing.
i think i'm just desensitised to shit people doing shit things in a shitty world. which in itself is shit.
It's just So cruel
and I run a lot and compete fairly regularly. So I guess I feel closer to it than usual.
Because no-one at an amateur level is competing in these events. It's one big positive rush, everyone trying to best their times or just get round for whatever reason. One of the happiest places on earth is the finish line of one of these races. So this really gets me.
i dunno if yr being serious now, or making some sort of point or whatever.
good ol' the internet....making me question whether someone is actually really sad over people being killed, or just trolling for a point.
i'm going to bed.
like I said. I guess the internet has conditioned me to question strong displays of emotion in it's world. good times.
not much will ever match what Breivik did
that series of events and the way Stoltenberg dealt with it is exemplary as far as I'm concerned and probably contributes to why, for me personally, it's just impossible to disassociate certain events from the despicable narrative of 'terror' and revenge
cruel things happen all the time
today was the anniversary of Hillsborough
...so it goes
Worth a watch.
Few thousand people running the race for charity, maybe in memory of a lost loved one. Friends and wellwishers cheering them on as they exhaustedly make their way over the last few miles. Then this, yards from the end, full well knowing it's all being recorded in image and film. Not good.
this is the stupidest thing i've read so far
Slate ?@Slate 4m
RT @daveweigel: RT @kasie: Whoever planned the attack - they did it with modern media in mind. So many cameras trained right on the victims.
huh? what the fuck does that even mean?
closely followed by people in the south of England telling me where I can give blood in Boston. I know they've probably got Americans on their feed, but it just smacks of people trying to get involved in the event when they don't have any need to be.
or maybe doing some small thing like that helps them to deal with the grief and i'm just being a dick about it, i dunno.
It's a natural instinct to want to lend a hand even if it's probably futile. Save your ire for others more deserving imo.
I can't really say much other than it's really moving seeing how people react after the first blast, tearing down the fence to get to the victims (yes I know that some of them are police but a lot of them are just people who were nearby) without knowing if there was going to be another blast. All that they were concerned about was helping the injured people. I'd like to think that I'd react in the same way but that is a really brave thing to do.
"The people of Liverpool understand what people in Boston are going through. #solidarity"
David Cameron expressed similar sentiments about the UK too.
But it's nice to see that no occasion is beyond someone trying to take a cheap potshot at a Labour MP.
It's just a tweet I saw that has provoked a bit of discussion on twitter. I posted it without comment. This is not a thread for jumping to conclusions or snarky comments, marckee.
on the internet.
Innocent spectators died at a major sporting event. It's not hard to see the connection.
I'm going to bow out now before your trolling becomes inappropriate.
I would say it's a perfectly reasonable statement.
that some of those who'd finished went more or less straight to give blood for some of the victims. Not sure if true, but it came from NBC last night.
Words largely fail about this and not sure why it's more affecting than the London tube bombings were - maybe it's because I'm a club runner and know people who've done Boston in the past as well as some very senior people within the London Marathon team. Some of the most amazing people I know are heavily involved in the sport and it's horrifying to think that similar people will have been hurt like this :(
Myles N. Miller
CBS' John Miller says these men identified by the NYPost are not the two suspects law enforcement seek.
I know the NY Post is trash, but they really are sinking to new lows.
I hope those guys get one beast of a payout.
First guy was arrested about an hour ago, the 2nd is being arrested right now.
police closing in on it
Sunil Tripathi is his name, he was the missing student a few weeks back.
Love the Boston accent
I cant go to sleeeeeep. Reddit guy totally called it before the names were released:
That thread has good updates
They're waiting til daylight before continuing the search. One of the officers on the scanner was talking about multiple 'devices' in the area which is a bit alarming.
Looked alright to me
seen a few tweets saying he was just in the wrong place in the wrong time
so the police stripped him for weapons and threw him in the back of a van.
This is fucking nuts
for that difficult second album
''Reporters arriving at the scene were told to turn off their mobile phones. One police officer reportedly told them: "If you want to live, turn off your cell phone.''
I guess they were remotely detonated by phones so they asked reporters to turn theirs off as a precaution.
So the police would shoot anyone they saw with a mobile out?? Bit extreme.
rather than the police shooting them. Although it must be total chaos at the scene, there's 9000 police officers there now so who knows
They didn;t want them setting any bomns off accidently.
and the guy got away?
they have him contained to a 20 block radius (which is pretty fucking huge)
what is that? 5 streets by 4 streets or are we talking 20 streets by 20 streets which would actually be 400 blocks?
I took it from Michael Skolnik's twitter feed, he's been right about everything else so far
or if it's a square radius (a thing?) 1600 blocks
Is that a typo? Not saying it's not true or anything, just seems an enormous number.
It does sound crazily high but I guess if you add all the Boston PD, State Police, FBI etc it could be possible. Plus they called in all the off-duty officers too as there were concerns about friendly fire.
rather than 9,000 keystone cops running after one guy.
something not right about this.
maybe they're not sure what their names are?
Several links above name them, including this one
and as one of them is already dead you need to be absolutely certain you know who is who before you name names. It seems pretty much certain that Mike Mulugeta was the first suspect (black cap guy from the FBI pics) and he's dead. Sunil Tripathi is the guy they're trying to get now, he's the white cap guy from the FBI pics.
and they were the only news outlet not to report on the arrest that didn't actually happen earlier this week:
"Authorities say these people came from overseas... had overseas military training [and have] been here about a year," NBC's Pete Williams — the most reliable source through a chaotic week in Boston — reported Friday, citing multiple sources.
Are they disputing the death of one suspect? Or the facts that they are from overseas etc etc
and that they're american born. NBC say they're foreign born with military training
As far as I'm aware, the BBC haven't named them either
I wonder where they are getting the "foreign born and trained" info from. I did see that as well
He's the only reporter saying this, deserves a Pulitzer if he's right!
AP news agency apparently, also about them being illegally in the US
Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, 19 is the one on the run.
Feel really sorry for the famillies of the two who'd been named all night. really slack reporting from a lot of outlets.
as far as I can see he was only linked to it because of that guy on Reddit yet in everyone's eagerness to report the story no-one could actually confirm it. Really hope his family didn't hear about it although I guess that's pretty unlikely.
and this is what you wrote further up
i'm not having a go at you, but i think some responsibility from people on twitter and social media is needed - we can't just blame the media for our misinformation.
this is why people are so quick to report on this stuff, in the social media/24 hour news age everyone jumps on information before it gets verified. I wrote that post on the basis of what Michael Skolnik had written on GlobalGrind rather than Reddit as his stuff had been correct up until that.
I think the misreporting has been appalling - but then again, that kind of stuff seems to excite people and get them interested in the story. So to a degree I think we're complicit in it.
That's why I wouldn't be sure yet that this Chechnyan angle is right, or that the names released are right.
says the police named them on the radio so he went with it. I guess Boston PD are Redditors too. Lot of journalism ethics questions raised by this week's events.
but I was struggling to see how the missing student looked like suspect#2 so I'm wondering if he's onto something.
I wish people, the media mostly, would stop fucking glorifying these cunts names. Let their names fade into obscurity, NOTORIETY AND INFAMY IS WHAT THEY WANT.
Michael Skolnik quoting the Boston PD scanner
I sure hope twitter GETS ITS MAN
"i dont get why everyone is [criticising] reddit. if you find a post falsely accusing someone of terrorism, simply downvote. thats what its for"
"we have the names of the suspects. we got them from that website with the grumpy cat. you seen that cat? Haha he looks sooooo pissed lol."
"Kickstarter: Help me wrongfully accuse several people of a very serious crime - 13,089 backers - $2.4 million pledged of $300 goal"
but the idea that this is some kind of high point of Citizen Journalism deserves to be ridiculed)
rather than being, at best, gawping onlookers.
Huffington Post seems fixated on the fact that Tamerlan Tsarnaev liked the film Borat. I may be missing some kind of obvious connection to the events but I can't fathom how this is in any way relevant. The headline on the front page of the site is literally BOMBER LIKE BORAT. I guess they're maybe trying to paint a "regular guy" image of him and I can understand the mention of his olympic aspirations but why specifically focus on the fact that he quite liked Borat. Very, very odd.
Their position as some more respectable news outlet is nonsense.
Look at these 2 pages from their website right now
Giving you tabloid sensationalism and naval gazing wankery in one place.
they're just an online tabloid now and the interesting editorials they used to run have been replaced with celebrity gossip and teenage blogs.
incredible that these idiots have caused this much carnage
This is crazy. Feeling really strange and helpless being 3000 miles away from home right now.
Terrifying, inept, hysterical and sensationalist at every level.
or is it shameless
awful, awful, awful stuff from everywhere
But today I was hopping through the channels and the amount of ridiculous speculation going on was astonishing. So much "Well we don't really know what has happened but we're going to jump to a conclusion anyway." Also, some of the questions given to the uncle were just shameful.
there's something very American about the whole thing. Sure, you'd feel glad about people who could/have killed being out of your community, but celebrating in the street, gangs of people high-fiving and wheeling out the old USA!, USA! stuff, idk.
Course, they're not the villains here, but something about the whole 'USA 1 Terror 0' almost WWF stuff doesn't sit completely well with me. Surely, any intelligent person would care more about asking questions about what would motivate such people and why they feel so disenfranchised with life as American citizens rather than publically celebrating.
I feel kind of sorry for the younger one. Maybe that's the wrong word. But I feel saddened by the fact that he appears to have been dragged into all this. He had his whole life ahead of him. And I know he killed and maimed a lot of people, but should we really be cheering the fact the police shot up a 19 yr old kid who was bleeding, alone, isolated and probably fucking scared shitless (rightfully so)? Doesn't seem something we should be celebrating.
Also, worrying signs about him not being read his rights. Obama's presidency's record on civil liberties and rights is appalling. This is a fantastic article and an absolute must read
you don't think people who commit serious crimes always deserve basic human rights without the Guardian lefties crying, getting on their high horse, calling you stupid, dismissing you out of hand, claiming your OPINION is WRONG?
i mean, sure, i'm against people being wrongly detained, interrogated without lawyers, etc, etc, but i don't think it's the biggest issue here, yet the Guardian always, always does, and its readers seem to have a sort of superior view that people are a bit thick or don't understand shit if they too don't think that.
The point is that it sets a really disturbing precedent because no one gives a shit about this guy and you're allowing the police,to essentially act unilaterally in deciding whether or not to read rights and treat someone as a citizen or not.
i'm sure it's not more overly long, over-written, paranoid, lefty conspiracy theory nonsense.
This is what that notorious, Guardian-reading lefty-liberal Winston Churchill had to say on the matter:
“The mood and temper of the public in regard to the treatment of crime and criminals is one of the most unfailing tests of the civilization of any country. A calm and dispassionate recognition of the rights of the accused against the State, and even those of convicted criminals against the State, a constant heart searching by all charged with the duty of punishment, a desire and eagerness to rehabilitate in the world of industry all those who have paid their dues in the hard coinage of punishment, tireless efforts towards the discovery of curative and regenerating processes, and an unfaltering faith that there is a treasure, if you can only find it, in the heart of every man — these are the symbols which in the treatment of crime and criminals mark and measure the stored-up strength of a nation and are the sign and proof of the living virtue in it.”
Many of them stupid, some of them racist. Carry on, though...