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... best thing I've read on her so far. Accurate and to the point:
for a change he actually has something bang on to say
It obviously doesn't change the fact he's a tedious pub bore who shouldn't be given much attention over this as it'll encourage him to continue to spout his usual ill-informed self-aggrandizing bollocks at every opportunity. But I actually pretty much agree with him here.
wont see that for a while
wonders never cease.
more than half is just a list of things she did!
just as pointless and weightless as anything he says, only this time it panders to the left.
I just don't think he sounds as much of a paranoid needy bell-end as usual. I'm guessing most people, like me, went in with low expectations and were pleasantly surprised that it was just a bit mediocre. Though Lukowski makes a good point about the "never again be another woman in power" comment. I think I missed that.
its as typically needy, but pandering to different people, and i guess he only doesn't sound like as much of a bell because you agree with him rather than disagree?
i dunno, it seems anyone can come out and reel a list of negative things about Thatcher and people are hailing them as heroes and its really grating. its getting as bad as the 'George Bush is bad. War is bad' stuff from however many years ago. the sentiment is a valid one (and one i personally agree with) but for the most part there is nothing of substance being said. The only thing I've read so far that has anything interesting to say from a celeb has been Braggs piece about not celebrating her death because Thatcherism is alive and well.
I think the difference here is that usually he invents facts and makes ludicrous assertions whereas, as you say, he's mostly just listing things she actually did.
Obviously Bragg makes a far better point.
Would you rather that all these people kept their mouths shut then, so the only voices to be heard to be those that are saying what a true hero she was? What actually grates with you?
The comment 'because of Thatcher, there will never again be another woman in power in British politics' is completely mind-boggling misogynist bollocks that makes no sense if you try and think about it in any way.
And while I appreciate that people's priorities shift over the years, I can't help but feel the special focus he puts on the Falklands is a bit of a wink to his massive Latin American fanbase, I don't think that was his biggest quibble with Thatcher at the time.
Beyond that, spot on.
Wishpig was arguing this same point in one of the other Thatcher threads. Does that make her a misogynist?
No it isn't.
why wouldn't there be another woman in power because of Thatcher?
The only scenarios I can think of for that are
1. People on the left who disliked Thatcher are so terrified that it was her intrinsic femininity that drove her policies that they simply don't feel they could take the risk of another woman taking power.
2. Actually people on the right actually didn't really like her very much.
As has been widely pointed out, she did nothing to help women, and we live in a society where the balance of power leans towards men, but I think it's mental to say female politicians are now unelectable, I'd genuinely like to hear a reason why you'd believe that.
And yeah, whether he was being histrionic, whether he personally would never vote for a woman again as a result of Thatcher or whether he genuinely believes no woman in the entire future history of the UK will ever have the political nous to be elected to PM, then yes, it's pretty misogynist.
thatcher's policies were bad for women and probably made things harder for women in politics: yeah obviously. the statement that BECAUSE of thatcher there will never be another woman PM implies that by being so shit she's tainted all other women and more importantly that, if there is never another woman PM, it's her fault for being a shit woman PM rather than the fault of misogynists who can't separate 'shit person/politician' and 'woman'
and that's the fault of the individual awful woman (rather than the fault of a system where awful women being awful is universalised to all of womanhood) is pretty misogyny-101 guys
him saying people think that - clearly not.
he said 'because of thatcher' in the context of a paragraph discussing all the bad things that thatcher materially, actively and consciously did. all of those other things happened because of her and were her fault and she deserves to be blamed for them. but misogyny in politics is not thatcher's fault.
(to put it another way, if the first female PM had been a bedwetting lefty and happened to be a bit shit at her job and then tories came out with 'because of her there will never be another female PM', i don't think the misogyny would be a particular point of contention)
Can someone who's written a song like This World Is Full of Crashing Bores really be seen as misogynistic?
whether or not he himself is misogynist, I don't doubt for a second he'd throw off a misogynist remark for dramatic effect...
HE'S PROBABLY NOT EVEN REALLY A RACIST. Probably.
In fact I wouldn't be surprised if I'd met a woman who will one day be prime minister.
Reeves is a likely shout for leader in future I reckon though.
It's ridiculously hard to call these things though - so much depends on election results, when new leaders are elected, the direction of the Labour Party at the time etc. If Labour lose the election she's got a shout (though the fact she supported Milliband could potentially factor against her). If Milliband wins, I suspect the next leader might not be in parliament yet...
from the Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/26/who-will-replace-david-cameron
They seem to suggest that, the next Labour Leader, (if ed wins) won't be in Parliament til 2020.
Obviously, there's not a big enough sample set, but makes for interesting reading!
It's a very interesting read.
Like I said, I don't think the sample set is big enough for it to mean anything, but I think the assertion that Cameron will be succeeded by a 2010er is fairly strong. Personally, I think Miliband will be replaced by a 2015er.
I find this stuff really interesting.
At present, I think Labour will win in 2015, but I don't think it will be as clear cut as the polls are showing (for various reasons), which lays a level of uncertainty on future leaderships.
Low turnout, small majority (if one at all) and both sides voting to keep the other and the LibDems out out rather than enthusiasm for their own party...
It's quite an interesting time in terms of elections.
The two things that I'm interested in is how the UKIP vote holds up (splitting the right etc), and how the Lib Dem vote holds up.
RE: the first, it's not inconceivable that a percentage of the 14% of people showing intention to vote UKIP will move back to the tories for tactical reasons.
Similarly, with the Lib Dems, Eastleigh showed that they have the ability to hold seats. Whilst I think their national vote share will be terrible, I cannot see them doing disastrously in the seats they hold with an incumbant.
And then, in terms of Labour (if they fail to get a majority), would the Lib Dems want to work with them to reverse a bunch of policies they helped put in?
Lots of unknowns to me...
I'm pretty sure they'd be quite happy to work with either party if they're promised a few seats and a vague chance of getting policies through...
The other interesting unknown potentially are these attempts to unite the left in a new political party. Granted it's unlikely to have much of an impact that quickly but if they start rivalling Labour in marginal seats it's not impossible they'll shave enough of the vote to bugger up slim majorities...
Though I'm pretty certain the new leftish party will be nothing but a flash in the pan.
I think we might see more than one election in 2015/16 period.
DARWINDUDE FOR PM
I'd vote for you. Srsly.
Cooper absolutely not.
Was more thinking its probably someone younger though. The calibre of some of the young women in the Labour Party is really exciting.
Posh guy...posh guy claiming not to be posh...posh guy...posh guy claiming not to be posh...black guy...posh guy...posh guy claiming not to be posh...mmmmmmaybe a woman. Average term, say six years, you'll probably be brown bread.
Did Morrissey not like her then?
it was a love hate relationship
Apparently this rare occurence is next predicted to be seen in 2027.
You twats actually having to agree with Morrissey for once