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Arguably only seven teams out of a division of 24 are definitely safe, with only six weeks left to go.
though i think the actual cut is 50 points and below, as i can't see all the teams that are below Boro/Derby/Bolton getting 4 points from 6 games, and that is without either of those three getting a point.
still ridiculously close.
This is how many points would have kept you safe in previous years:
11/12 - 41
10/11 - 43
09/10 - 48
08/09 - 47
07/08 - 53
06/07 - 43
05/06 - 43
04/05 - 51
Huddersfield are second from bottom with 47 but would already be safe in most seasons, and we still have 6 or 7 games left for every team. I wouldn't be surprised to see a team go down with 54, 55, maybe even 56 points if their goal difference is awful.
i just think there are that many teams on a similar total and everyone playing each other that even just by the law of averages one team won't get more than 3 points that is on 47.
Despite the unpredictability, I reckon the top 6 will be the same at the end of the season. Palace to go up via the play-offs
At 2.45 pm last Saturday, we had just beaten Leeds at Elland Road, and were sat comfortably 8 pts clear of the relegation zone.
Now, we've only played one more game, a narrow loss to Hull (where we werent very good), but we're in the relegation zone. Eh?
We'll not get anything at Bolton tonight, so will go into Saturday in the bottom 3. Then 6 matches all against teams that are also in trouble (ie not in the top 6). Don't want to go straight back to League 1. Not sure I can face a trip to Crawley.
I'm glad that Palace had such a good start, we are massively out of form at the moment. Three defeats in a row, scoring 0 and letting in 8. I think we'll probbaly still finish in the playoffs, as Leiceter and and Middlesbrough have been equally as bad. But I can't see us having a prayer in the playoffs.
We seem to have gone from a team full of confidence playing fantastic football with wingers to a team with no confidence and cutting inside instead of going down the wing. Holloway seems to be tinkering too much.
I know there's always this thing about a team coming with a late run and sneaking into the Prem via Wembley, but it doesn't always end that way. Palace seem to have enough quality to nick a semi over two legs. Then just need a bit of luck in the final.
P.S. My prediction is probably as much to do with not wanting it to be Forest as anything else!
A side totally overrun by Redmond and Ravel Morrison, clueless up front and captained by Jedinak. Who i believe someone on here referred to as their best player this season, something i cannot believe!
Palace will be lucky to make the playoffs, assuming they did and were unfortunate enought to go a goal behind they'll come out 7nil on aggregate with Olly's tactical knowhow.
Has been our player of the season, normally an absolute rock in midfield who no one can pass. I'm not quite sure what happened on Friday.
I know he only got back the day before after being in international duty for Australia, so I'm putting it down to jetlag or something.
We've worrying collasped in recent weeks, I'm hoping we can correct it quickly.
23 goals, surely should be plenty to keep any championship side in the playoff picture not looking toward the bottom 3.
Remains one of the mysteries of football how a team made up of those individuals has the same points total as Reading. I don't understand it
though. and i think with Park and Bosingwa you knew what you were going to get, or at least should've.
Granero is obviously a skillful player and worth a punt at 8 million; you suspect if QPR had provided him a reason to give a fuck he may well have come good. Hughes not having the necessary acumen to realise that just because a bloke has played for United or Chelsea does not automatically mean they aren't shite is far worthier of criticism.
will be interesting to see if he stays with them if they get relegated.
I'm quite enjoying the Di Canio bleat-fest at the moment.
I find it hard to know whether I'm excusing him because he's both a psychopath and someone who I like immensely though.
for someone making the grand gesture of throwing away their season ticket, especially if there's only about 7 games left.
as anyone who's held a season ticket to MON's zzzz-fest all year and is now prepared to bin it just as things might get interesting
But it's not looking good. If they don't beat Wigan next weekend, then I think that really will be it
Big names still, but past their best.
My point isn't the fact that they're not top 8, but that they're level with probably the most Championship team to appear in the PL since Watford were last up. It's inexplicable
Redknapp and Hughes are capable managers, even Warnock's not a complete clown, but that squad is a total mess because nobody's there long enough to build anything properly. Chuck in a corrosive presence like Kia Joorabchian in the background and a fair few players that visibly don't give a fuck and it's not much of a surprise that the Redknapp approach of 'chuck cash around and tell everyone they're brilliant' hasn't proved any more successful than Mark Hughes' 'chuck cash around and tell everyone they're not as good as you' method.
So instead of Warnock building a grafting team that I have no doubt would've stayed up easily, he ended up getting given a wad of cash and panic buying a bunch of expensive tossers.
Hughes was given the perfect chance to start clean and he made a total balls of it. We needed a striker and a CB. He bought two first choice goal keepers and a million central midfielders.
The only signings he made who actually had a positive impact on our season were Nelsen (who signed as fourth choice back up, ended up club captain) and M'Bia (who Hughes played at centre back).
I don't really like Redknapp, but I can't deny that the few signings he made all massively improved the team
Very much enjoyed Brede Hangeland forming an unorthodox attacking trio with Ruiz and Berb.
Commentators were desperate, when QPR made it 3-2, to paint this as proof of 'Harry Houdini's fabled motivational powers'. Must have been someone else who sent out the absolute shower that went 3-0 down in the first half and couldn't break down 10 men in the last 25 minutes, eh?
And now I'm at work knackered with no voice.
Prepared to be wrong as haven't seen the replays but both were right in front of me and neither were penalties.
Probably should've come back and won it, but what the hell we were doing in the first half hour I have no idea.
Fulham though, jaaaaaaaaaaaysus. What an embarassment they are. From our second goal until 2 minutes from time the away end's chants were echoing around. Complete silence. Worst home support I've ever witnessed.
Not only did they give all their fans platic clappers (which unfurled into a banner. You've truly not lived until you've seen a 40 year old man waving a bit of plastic they were given for free with PRIDE on it in total glee), but the announcer, who sounded like he'd falled through a time portal from a 1930s Pathe newscast was going *Come on, let's get our clappers going!!*
This was all topped off by a group of about 30 Japanese guys (they had a flag, I'm not being casually racist) in the corner by the away fans doing the Gangam Style dance for the whole of half time.
Bar the two hours I spent in the pub beforehand (increasingly the only thing I enjoy about going to the football), what a miserable evening
can't remember the last game I enjoyed watching as much
And my gf was like *Oh, why what happened?*
*5 goals, 2 penalties and a straight red. Hang on a minute*
It's a privilege to watch someone having a complete mare
i thought it was a tad harsh.
probably doesn't matter that it was one-footed or two-footed, i just didn't consider it that wreckless or dangerous, but maybe i'm just of the old school.
Ref didn't get a lot right tbh. But also thought Sidwell deserved a red for trying to pull the old *I'm injured* trick.
Didn't really help us as Traore went off for Mackie and we lost all of our shape
But he had a real snide side to his game last night I'd not witnessed before. So many elbows and shoves. Should've been booked for running 20 yards to push Hill
...by myself on Boxing Day the season West Ham got relegated. I was in the away bit, and some guy decided to single me out for banter/abuse when Fulham went 1-0 up. West Ham equalised, then went ahead, so I started waving at him, blowing kisses etc, and he tried to throw his clapper at me. It landed on the pitch and he got thrown out. It was amazing, and nobody was there to witness it.
I really like that ground, but their fans are well rubbish. Who else in the premiership has a 'neutral stand'. Wigan? It's always basically full of away fans.
Very entertaining game. Can't see how QPR will avoid the drop now though. Would much rather teams like them than Fulham in the league.
Presume this was some sort of subtle racism, but can't work out how.
- GazBaz's miss.
- Bayern running riot.
- Torino 3 Napoli 5
- Celta's equaliser v Barca.
- Robin van Persie's cameo at Stamford Bridge.
- Berbatov generally.
prefer Vitesse. in fact, prefer PSV and Feyenoord as well.
unlikely Ajax will slip up now given their home games are all against sides with nothing to play for,and Vitesse have to go to Feyenoord (and Roda, who'll need to win).
beat PSV next weekend and they'll be champions. bit of a shame when they win it, though. don't have a huge deal against them, have just always found other Dutch clubs more alluring.
I'm going to Ajax's last home game of the season. I could be there to see them win the league.
I was there when City won the league last season. I could just become an international glory supporter
The two top 4 clashes (PSV v Ajax and Feijenoord v Vitesse) will most likely decide who wins the league, but ignoring these games for a moment, then Vitesse have actually the easiest run-in as they play the bottom 3, plus no team higher placed than 12th. PSV have the toughest schedule of the title candidates with AZ and Twente away still to come.
At this stage of the season, games against teams fighting to survive aren't easier than games against teams with nothing or little to play for. Just how it works, champ.
between unavoidable relegation and guaranteed safety.
you should have a bit more faith in your (various) team(s).
i think i watched it on youtube last night.
how hard would it be to schedule, say, one game for 7pm and one for 9pm? I can see why they have to kick off at the same time when it comes to last group games and that, but we could easily have to back-to-back cracking live games tonight instead of having to pick between them.
Think i'll fire that up on the laptop, and have the other game on the tellybox without sound.
hope PSG get roasted for playing/signing Becks.
wheres nasri going?
Outside bet - Newcastle.
Obviously it could easily just be Samir Nasri in 'being a petulant shit' shocker, but either way it would be a shame to see him leave the Prem, he could be so so good.
Or Spurs for the bants.
Stay tuned ...
There've been quite a few. Obviously we'll all know the story of Munich, but we'll probably be less aware of the disasters involving Alianza Lima, the Suriname national team, the Zambian team's crash in Libreville in 1993 (though the BBC did cover this during the last AfCoN), and Torino. Torino were the dominant team in Italy at the time and four games off their fourth consecutive title...
but there's nothing that compares to the Uruguyan team on its way to a match in Chile that had to eat each other
" At one point the survivors tried to use several sticks of lipstick recovered from the luggage to write an SOS on the roof of the plane, but abandoned the effort after it became apparent that they lacked the necessary lipstick to make letters that would be plainly recognizable from the air".
That must have been demoralising.
but the "Kleurrijk Elftal" (literally: the Colourful Eleven), a group of Dutch-based professional players of Surinam descent who were due to play a tournament in Paramaribo.
For various reasons, very few "big name" players were on the plane. Of the 187 passengers, only 11 survived. Amongst the dead were 14 players and manager Nick Stienstra, as well as the house-band Draver Boys who usually supported the team on its travels.
One of the saddest stories was that of brothers Winnie and Jerry Haatrecht. As youngsters they had both played for the Ajax youth teams with Ruud Gullit and Frank Rijkaard, but neither made it at Ajax before reaching senior level, instead continuing their career at lesser-known clubs.
As Winnie's then team (Heerenveen) had qualified for the play-offs he could no longer make the trip, so he begged manager Stienstra to take his brother instead, now an amateur with Neerlandia. After some debate, Stienstra agreed, to Jerry's excitement.
Before the flight took off, Jerry switched seats with his team mate Edu Nandial, who miraculously survived, as did his best mate Sigi Lens.
Jerry Haatrecht died of his injuries in the crash.
not sure if this article just copy and pasted wikipedia or whether it was the other way around. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/rob-atkinson/superga-footballs-forgotten-air-disaster_b_2628422.html
Recently I was in Indonesia and we'd heard that internal flight operators are all blacklisted by the EU and safety standards are really low. We just though, nah, it's probably fine. Then we kept seeing plane crashes on the news and decided to use buses.
Jimmy Bullard is looking for business partners: http://www.jimmysdreamteam.com/
both in official news outlets and just comments, etc...
I don't blame people for not being up to date with the goings on of lufc. But it's pretty sloppy that this gets reported as another shock, pointless, near-end-of-season sacking as opposed to one that was entirely expected - not only in recent weeks with comments about how he'd walk away if we're out of contention of the play-offs, and how he was brought in the short term in the first place.
It's not going to stop us finishing midtable, but it will give a new manager the chance to come in and know the squad before next season and the transfer window. It didn't work with warnock, but the logic is sound.
As a general summary of how he did - not good. certainly one of the least popular managers of my lifetime. I think even dennis wise got less stick.
I don't quite hate him as much as everybody else, because I think a fair few of the players he brought in could conceivably be involved in a play-off finish in the future - Peltier, Warnock, Kenny, Austin, and even Morison, Diouf and Pearce as squad players. He also, generally, sorted out some of the big problems under Grayson - home form is good enough, defence the best it's been since we've been back in the championship.
The bad though - players out of their position, some awful awful journeymen signings, lack of rotation, lack of substitutions at the most painfully obvious times - both owing to some serious fatigue and far too many late goals conceded - a good 10 or 15 points there. A lack of respect and understanding for some of our better, established players in favour of some of his diabolical signings. Unbelievably bad on the road. No plan B, no ideas. We're probably no worse or better than we were under Grayson - but now we're the least watchable we've been in years as opposed to one of the most excitingly unpredictable </shambolic> teams in the country. Apart from in the cups, I can count the number of "great wins" on one hand this season - so many dire, dire 1-0 wins.
at least he can concentrate on finishing that book now. The man has no place in football in 2013.
a shame he didn't get one last send-off from the travelling wednesday support.
ironically he was interested in taking on the wednesday job back in 2010 but the chairman at the time was concerned about the polarising effect appointing him would have had on the fanbase
he'd have done a far better job than irvine
or something. dunno
since I'll probbaly see the Bayern-Juve second leg game. But with that announcement...someone find me an online stream of the Allianz game now, I won't be able to stand the ITV commentary with Beckham playing.
it's what i'm doing
and muted psg whilst putting on the Bayern game with Soccerball commentary.
Damn, not the best start for the game as a contest.
just get promoted already you fancy fucks
fucking LOVE Beckham
that was Chelsea's '96 away kit ... But this ... jfc
resigned to enjoying the game 30% less*
he looks very, very good
same could be said about Ronaldo (the one still playing when he emerged.
Barca have been shit as well.
when Rakitic should've scored
But Dani Alves' hair mixed with that kit is going to be giving me nightmares for weeks.
the odd impact injury from getting clattered, sure.
Time after time I rinse them. Wish I had the guts to put larger amounts on him.
Tbh great odds either way.
always seem to be this price with Skybet.
Beautiful given how you've spent all day talking about an apparently crap player who your club apparently sold for far too much money TWO YEARS ago!
don't milk it.
his leg is at about 90 degrees. So that's how he got that spin.
after Kompany he's got to be the best in the world.
is Lucas playing in the centre of a 4-4-2?
Pirlo playing poor but not helped by a very absent Marchisio and a pair of strikers providing as much movement as a thing that doesn't move much. And Buffon having a complete stinker.
His energy in the middle has made quit a difference.
They were far too static in the first half. Really surprised Conte got it so wrong, perhaps a bit of nervousness creeping in.
so many cunts
i prefer teams who show complete respect for officials, like United and Chelsea.
fuck these cheating barca cunts
for all their quality, they are cheating, moaning, self righteous cunts. And as I finish this post, he's scored!
I'd say its equally because the players deserve it, and we like to knock those who are at the top.
I love watching Barca play, don't get me wrong. It's the entitlement to every decision and the reffing of the match that grates.
they're no worse than most dominant teams.
hate to keep mentioning them, but when United were at their very peak, late 90s, they were notorious for it.
most Italian and Spanish teams do it.
But yep, I agree that most top teams do it, but it grates and slightly detracts from their brilliance at times.
but successful teams get more of it. And tbf they can live with it, they've won enough.
Massively offside though
but a lot of Barca's players are really not likeable.
Decent game, Would've preferred it if Silva's header had just gone in though.
How they have given Clattenburg a match of this level is beyond me.
It doesn't involve United.
Xavi is the man
because an opposition player is booked rather than sent off when there is literally no way they deserved a red. Then imagine being the sort of guy who makes a move on anyone who questions the likeability, not talent, of some Barca players.
I don't think enough of us appreciate how lucky we are. But for the grace of God.
nah. too easy.
I wonder if it's the fact that I'm a fully grown adult and not a hero-worshipping, Shoot!-magazine-poster-on-the-wall preteen that means I can reconcile talented with not likeable. Probably is.
for 90% of your posts on here, like?
You can't really make posts like the above about barcelona, rio, or anyone else when your schtick is being (needlessly) defensive about captain,leader,legend, drogba, ashley and the like.
bow down to your perspective though.
You support Leeds, mate. Leeds.
I'm really sorry I don't like some of your bedroom wall heroes and that you're upset about it. In time you'll get over it.
and I think you're being a tit
Mourinho...Lampard...Robben...Terry...Cole, etc, etc.
I love a good dive. So I don't really dislike those Barca players, but I guess I see why others do. But off the pitch they seem okay, so thats fine.
I can't see how cheating in any sport is a good thing, even if it does sometimes get results.
I might tie myself in knots but the only time I would get annoyed at a dive was if it was against my team. That probably makes me a bad person, but it doesn't rile me up as it does others.
You support the vilest team and club in the country. You're not allowed to moral high ground over this shit, just like you did over Rio Ferdinand the other day.
Bit sensitive. Just pointing out the obvious, not judging anyone.
Oh Christ ... You went ahead and told your new pub mates you support Barca, didn't you? That would explain it.
Fuck it, hate Spanish winning any game
Deserved result on the balance of play.
Thiago Silva in particular was just brilliant.
Proper captain. Proper haircut.
" such an exciting league".
He just needs to close down the angle and not make a challenge. Ibra was disappointing. Messi too, dont think he even had a touch in the 2nd half.
sounds like the defensive performance of the season - Brighton by all accounts played very, very well tonight
95% think we're ok now
Can't recall ever seen such an iconic player looking so out of his depth. Not since Ronaldo at the final of France '98 anyway.
Just relieved Man City haven't got any players iconic enough for anyone to nod this one over the line, tbh.
All this talk of Real getting all the luck, they're not the only ones.
They're the champions of the best league in the world, and have already toasted the champions of the second and third best leagues in the world. It's as simple as that, isn't it?
but to draw a side that haven't won in their last 5 champions league games was what i meant.
I'm not sure I get what you're saying.
Possibly top 4. Dunno whats lucky about them being favourites in the quarters.
A few months back people were saying Man City should've qualified from their group quite easily, now people are (rightly) saying Madrid and Dortmund are better sides.
Those with experience of watching Dortmund would've knew all along that they were likely to qualify from that group.
If City had kicked on from last season's progression curve then they *SHOULD* have qualified. Clearly Dortmund are above you now though.
Even in the summer, i, and anyone who'd watched German football over the last two years, knew Dortmund were a superior side to City...is what i'm saying.
Either you knew, or you didn't.
I don't think any of the current crop of English teams would have qualified from that group in fairness. 3rd place at best.
Admittedly, they could've drawn tougher teams than Shaktar and Malaga, but didn't Malaga qualify from their group with two games to spare?
I don't think Dortmund being where they are is a surprise. How much of them have you seen over the last couple of years? If they win it, they'll have to beat a couple of very good sides, and they've already took four points off both Madrid and City.
Their group was tough but I think most people realised they'd have a good chance at getting past City and make it through, let alone Madrid. They're AWESOME to watch.
and the ITV commentary wasn't even that annoying for a change.
Some inane observations:
Thiago Silva is brilliant
That bald french right back was half decent
Lucas had a great first half
Beckham has still got it
Messi didn't do much but does he ever miss those kind of chances?
Alves pass was almost Zidane-esque. Almost.
Ibrahimovic had a bit of a stinker but still scored. Sign of a great player etc etc
Barca have quite a few hateful midgets.
Doesn't the stadium have a studio for Chiles and the gang?
the game passed him by
2nd half he was out of steam but in the 1st he kept them ticking over when they actually had posession and used the ball nicely to set up Lucas on the wing
Beckham's position defensively contributed greatly to stopping Barca in the first half, in my opinion. Maybe some people don't focus on that kind of thing. Even if Beckham hadn't even touched the ball I'd say that his positioning alone justified his inclusion.
you really are a bit of a whally, eh?
The 20 yard square aound Xavi, Alves and Messi? Yeah? Beckham stopped them having any success. Maybe you don't play or manage within the game, pal.
didnt see the first half, but Alvez was having joy from the off in the second.
Matuidi was doing all the donkey work, and that baldy fella.
Becks was just pouting a bit and spraying forward the odd Hollywood pass.
Beckham's positioning and defensive movement was first class. Not donkey work. Hence why I'm not even mentioning his passing.
Beckham did not stop them doing that on his own. PSG did well as a 'unit' which is what you have to be to be successful defending against Barca.
Clearly, they started Beckham because when you finally win the ball back you need someone to start a quick counter attack with a good pass and from what I saw he didn't do that.
He did his job very well. Hence how the game didn't 'pass him by'.
if they didn't start beckham they would've got someone else to stand in that square
the guy made 2 nice passes, delivered a decent free kick and made a tired looking foul in 70 minutes; apart from appearing statuesque his only contribution.
he used to be a decent asset on the pitch, now he's only that off it.
Is there anywhere to see player stats for the game?
I only really started paying attention to the PSG game in the 2nd half so perhaps I missed him completing a pass.
he's clearly still got the ability to pick out a pass, dunno if that alone's enough to justify his selection. i was expecting barca to dominate possession more in the first half though so i was kind of surprised to see him getting any of the ball
Well... Watford beat Hull. Promotion dogfight looking taaaaaasty.
is going to be a story the tabloids will be running with this week, apparently.
How many more of City's players can the media say want out in the days leading up to the Manchster derby? Pretty sure that's Yaya Toure, Nasri and now Kompany to come, all in consecutive days.
and nasri's wasn't a transfer request, just him being annoyed at Mancini's comments. the only manchester-centric transfer gumbo i saw today was Rooney-PSG.
...and the Rooney thing was just PSG's DoF/owner saying they liked him as a player but hadn't bit, wasn't it?
not saying this is Rag Conspiracy stuff, but i've long held the impression that journalists have these stories up their sleeves and bung them out just before big games when it comes to City. maybe it's just par for the course and they do it with other clubs as well, idk.
i was making a point about the timing of those stories.
with City, the shit always seems to hit the fan directly before a big game, regularly with derbies...and rarely does anything come of the stories.
the Toure transfer request story broke two weeks ago, and
is the only story that has been put out in the past couple days as far as i can see.
if that equates to three transfer request stories in 'consecutive days' in your eyes then maybe that's where the problem lies.
it's fine, don't worry about it.
<pats on head>
Just trying to grasp what your point is. Links to the three transfer request stories breaking on consecutive days would do just fine.
in these posts (http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/social/4428074#r7428400 & http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/social/4428074#r7428409) i was talking about generally negative, harmful articles before big games, and in this post (http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/social/4428074#r7428388) i never specified actual transfer requests, just players apparently wanting out.
are we going to carry on with this or are you going to bed?
really not sure why you're so arsed about a meaningless derby which will in all likelihood be a terrible, niggly, negative game, which, if your (former) lot lose, will have no bearing on the title, and if they win then you get a fun day out before the inevitable
I like these threads a lot but your sniping just sucks the joy out of everything... Kompany is clearly going nowhere so who the fuck cares what the MEN print?
there's no sniping gone on here at all.
maybe go outside and get a bit of fresh air.
so tiresome! let's rank the top 8 sides in Europe or link to some gifs or 101 great goals or something rather than continually fighting the never-ending banter battle with all and sundry?
nevermind, I'm a bit pissed just feel it's beginning to get out of hand but by that token you have won by default so congrats I guess.
we were ranking European sides only an hour or so ago.
we were having a fine old night, bashing D-Becks, than Kelly went and brought down the tone again. what a cunt.
if United had day before yesterday
also made me think