Finished my re-watch of series 2 last night, I'd forgotten most of the stuff in the last episode. SO MUCH AWESOME.
ive read all the books and cant remember whats going on.. I remember john snow had met up with the wild lass.. dont want to ask owt else incase something happened in the book but not the tv yet
John Snow has just seen the wildling's city/camp
Tywin is now hand of the king and Tyrion is in a skank bedsit
Sansa is no longer going to be married to cuntface but little finger is going to her help
Winterfell has burnt to the ground and Bran has set off with his crew
Rob has married that hottie medic
Tall warrior women is taking the kingslayer back to Kingslanding
Mother of Dragons has her babies back and is buying a ship
as an aside, goblins and shit aint usually my thing, but this show is fucking awesome
next week Sunday
The book of this series is easily my favourite. (And no that is not a spoiler, joeymahone)
No explanation as of yet, but fuuuu
The end of last season was literally jaw dropping.
L I T E R A L L Y
for me it is. athough they may change the TV/book relationship later on.. as from what i seem to remember one of the later books is set aside (chronologically) one of the earlier books...
Which means season 4 is going to be fucking CRAZY
If memory serves THAT point is in part 2 of book three isn't it?
The epilogue of p1 is a WTF moment you will remember.
but the Tower of the Hand shows it as chapter 52 of 82. I guess is going to be the shit kicking season, then.
It would make a HELL of a closer!
Can someone PM me please?
OH BOY OH BOY
24 is "Oona Chaplin may have come up with the perfect tagline: "Blood, guts, and boobs everywhere." Sounds about right."
Boobs everywhere might float your boat
I didn't proof read it so it's basically one long 3 page typo
As a rule I avoid series of books like the plague, especially fantasy and especially when they're all so bloody thick but I did really rather enjoy the first season of GoT on the telly like.
I'm also slightly horrified that some of the books are even longer because they're in two volumes. Surely this can't be necessary.
Anyone reading it who isn't a massive fantasy fan? And is the page count truly justifiable?
its easy reading
its written in the style of one chapter about x, 2nd about, y, 3rd about z, then x,y,z again and again, so your constantly wanting to find out what happens to someone, whilst something great is hapenning to someone else.
I am not a massive fantasy fan. They're actually more like historical fiction I think. cf In the Name of the Rose.
not that they're not great, they are. (barring feast for crows which is shite.)
Also the bits where he suddenly gives the characters a bit of really American dialogue are very jarring, but he seems to get over that in the later books.
The plotting though is awesome! He really knows how to give good payoff.
A Feast for Crows is the WORST
Too many new characters, too many new plotlines, not enough action.
Although after Storm of Swords, it was always going to be a come down
Enjoyed it a lot more the second time around because I wasn't waiting for something to happen. You learn quite a lot that will be interesting in the final books I reckon. It is easily the worst one though.
maybe split into 3 seasons, it just wouldn't work otherwise.
A whole volume that's shite?
you're either going to plough through every word of the series inside 3 months or throw it away after 70 pages.
no fucking chance pal.
Most fans hate it because the pace massively drops after the first three volumes, loads of new characters etc etc.
But as a whole, it ain't that bad.
Certainly shouldn't stop you reading the books
This unfortunately means that Feast doesn't contain a whole raft of the best characters. It also means that the first half of Dance with Dragons is awesome. Then towards the end of that books the storylines merge back together again.
Because they're concurrent the show can just merge them together, although they may struggle for a coherent central narrative
If the show's still the monster of popularity by the end of Season 4 I wonder if they could get away with Season 5 as a 15-part season and just cover all of AFFC and ADWD: so much of both books is introspection and journeying that I don't think would fill up much screen time.
Hate LOTR and that - these books are really engrossing and basically not fantasy (for the most part).
That's really my only concession to the genre.
Am still no clearer on whether to read or not.
Guess I could just buy the first book and have a go.
THE MOTHER JEFFING WHITEWALKERS?!?
do they kill sam?
i hope they kill sam. god i hate him.
the answer to this?
they were talking about watching episodes 1 and 2 tomorrow instead of the football
Don't have Sky Atlantic so going to have to torrent it.
Day before in the US I guess
you'll be able to download it monday morning
Hope Joffrey gets castrated and stabbed right in the fucking mouth soon.
...and his new wife-to-be runs around naked.
Maybe kick him in the stomach after. Stamp on his ankle. The little cunt.
Feel kind of sorry for the guy actually. I doubt he'll ever make any friends again.
or have they just hired a right little cunt?
I watched Batman Begins the other day, and he was in it. The prick. Nearly turned it off.
I didn't know, I shouted 'Joffrey you cunt' at the screen out of reflex. I'm sure the actor is nice enough, he'll be type cast though.
The cunt is already a scholar at Trinity College.
The fucking bastard.
I haven't checked if they've got him in for the S2 commentaries actually.
Might just watch these all day.
It had a letter from GRRM to Jack Gleeson saying *You're magnificent! Congratulations! Everybody hates you!*
Like Sean Bean, lena headley and Peter Dinkage
I like how they're backfiling her character from FFC onwards to earlier parts when she seemed a bit of a blank vessel
I might have to negotiate with my brother in law to send us his iTunes login. In Australia you can just buy this and Mad Men on the iTunes store around the time it airs in the States so they get to watch it without issues. Fucking cunting Sky and their exclusivity bollocks.
But Sky Atlantic has been a total flop in terms of recruiting new subscribers
I guess the target market for those shows is largely people who are already tech-savvy enough to have torrents or international IP spoofing.
HBO Go are looking at opening out into the UK so this may be a future option.
Good piece in the London Review of Books by John Lanchester.
Srsly though don't read it you haven't read the books it is a nest of spoilers.
Everyone excited. Last weeks felt a little like a warm episode (in the best way possible). I'm interested to see what Dickface's new women is going to do next...she is a sly one.
just for being so awesome
Hope that's not weird...
Great idea, btw!
What are people's favourite sub plot at the moment?
Mine would be Jamie Lannister's. want to see him get some revenge big time..
- I've been hoping someone would stab Craster for ages now
- Daenerys finally looks like someone who might actually post a threat to the iron throne.
- Poor Theon just can't catch a break.
Best episode this season. I think it just keeps getting better and better.
I think opening up the Lord of Light stuff is great.
Also I had thought there was nothing to stop someone from killing Craster, but I didn't expect Mormont to get offed as well, or for the whole thing to turn into a mass brawl. This has got to mean the end of the Night's Watch, surely?
why on earth did that happen
silly explanation that will get dragged out for the next several episodes
i just mean that it felt really silly, almost panto-like
and was therefore GREAT.
and staged the whole escape so he could save the day and look like the big man to his mates.
everyone's been saying how the bastard of bolton is a total shit whose shitter than joffrey. Was probably just bored and fancied killing a few people whilst giving theon false hope which is obviously HILARIOUS
I totally hated Theon last series for what he did to those boys/betraying the Starks and just being a pathetic douchebag but now I feel really sorry for him. Why did that guy save him just to put him back? Did he just want to kill those guys and get Theon in trouble for it? Total sadist anyway.
I’m also now feeling sorry for Jamie and really want to see him get his revenge but why!? After what he did to Brann and just his general being an arsehole. I’m sure I hated him in the first series. Anyway now I want to see him kick some serious arse.
YES!!!! So glad they finally stabbed Craster. Really don’t understand why they didn’t do it before. He’s disgusting. Was there a reason they didn’t kill him sooner?
Daenerys FUCK YEAH THAT WAS AWESOME!!!! The final shot as they showed the scale of the army she now has with the dragons flying overhead, incredible. Also made me really wish I was watching it on a projector or big flat screen telly.
I was thinking it didn't seem right for her to have the dragon on a chain….
Sounds like the TV is nailing it
Theon is easily the most pitiful character
Though his bits aren't that interesting at the moment. I want more relationship development between him and Ygritte, not that excited by endless trudging through snow barren ladnscape tbh.
Also I want to get to know more of/about Branns new friends.
that bit in episode 2 where there was a five minute conversation between Bran and other kid of 'my father said to your father' 'my father did this' 'your father's father' SAY FATHER MORE
Kinda glad they had such as slow-burning couple of episodes to begin with cos it just made all the crazy shit kicking off even better.
The fact that they can make you feel sorry for Jaime (and Theon) is testament to how good the series is I guess.
A DAUGHTER FUCKIN' WILDING BAS-TAD
Dany's bit at the end was amazing! Also I really liked how you could really tell the difference between the slaver's Valyrian and Dany's High Valyrian. </linguisticsnerd>
LIGHTNING LORD!!!!!!! I like how they had to proper exposition to remind us who he is since he a) hasn't been in the show since season 1 and b) is played by a different actor
Also there's totally going to be a reversed Arrested Westeros with a picture of Lucille Bluth with Lady Olenna's comments about Sansa
Her family are incestuous tyrants, her father was psychopath who burned Ned Stark's dad alive and had his older brother strangled, before trying to burn King's Landing down. Her so called noble older brother started all of this by leaving his wife and kidknapping someone else's betrothed.
The Targaryens can fuck off as far as I'm concered
I'm from Dany for the Throne, Rob doesn't want it.
I love her as a character, and everything that's going on with her, but I really don't want her to ever actually get to Westeros.
Dream scenario - Dany saves Westeros from the White Walkers and in the process realises she's too important to take the throne, while Robb defeats the Lannisters and installs Hodor as King.
Actually, the last time I was that satisfied was when Daenerys arose from the ashes with the hatchlings. But this time it was a total FUCKING YAS moment. Especially when she turned around and was all, “Uhhhh, durrrrrrr! I’m a Targaryen. My mother tongue is Old Valyrian”. Even though I knew it was coming, it was still bad ass.
I think out of everyone, Dany is the one who deserves to sit upon the Iron Throne as Queen of the Seven Kingdoms. Yeah, she’s from a family of psychos (as LLB pointed out), but she seems to be doing her hardest to change that view and become a strong, but just leader, exacting righteous vengeance on those who deserve it. (I noticed a common thing that popped up in the last episode was the slaughtering of innocent children, which Dany has been eager to avoid, but her family and many of the other characters, past and present, have likely partaken in that.)
Renly probably would've been the best king BUT if he'd won, Westeros would've been fucked forever as the rule of succession would be broken forever and Westeros is a long from off from the social upheaval needed for democracy and women's rights
at the end of the War of the Usurper
Also, as amazing as he was, he had absolutely zero cunning. They'd have torn him to shreds like they, well, did.
He also could never compromise to do what was necessary. For instance as reprehensible as killing Aegon and Rhaenys was, what was Ned's solution to that problem?
her storyline has been monumentally dull for that past 2 seasons
Going from little more than a piece of meat traded around to overcoming her abusive relationship with brother and striking out on her own.
She was underwritten last year cos Dany isn't really in Clash of Kings, but she's a *main* character so they inflated her part without enough plot.
Her storyline in the third book is BADASS
Obviously sedate compared to the last one but still strong.
The Hound v Beric Dondarrion. Oof.
Jaime and Brienne. Aw.
Jon Snow and Ygriite. Ka-doing.
If you're on about when he said, "You'll always be my lady" or whatever, I assumed that was him saying they could never be family as she is destined to be royalty and he's just a pauper.
was well excited, now I'm just sad
But the pushing Bran out of the window just keeps pulling me back to reality.
but it could be argued that he did it to avoid an all out kingdom-wide war and the unnecessary deaths of thousands. It backfired obviously, but hey, he did it for love.
liked the bath talk
good development of arry and davos.
talk of the freys!! :D
but I did call it back in series 1 and i still have faith that it will happen - Gendry and her will get together and go and fuck shit up
He needs to get a grip, otherwise hmm... JUST DON'T DO ANYTHING STUPID ROBB.
It's tough, he had to do the right thing to be the king he wanted to be but he had to weaken himself to do it.
Killing kids ain't cricket. That guy was a dick.
If he does nothing his men can do as he wishes. If he kills him, he loses a chunk of his army.
The ghost of Ned loomed large over this episode. Robb chose what he thought his father would do.
That doing the 'right' thing isnt normally the best solution. Nearly all of Neds decisions were done for the right reasons, but ended up backfiring spectacularly (and usually with him knowing that it would end up a shitstorm)
Utterly perfect. Utterly.
Likewise The Lannister conference at the end.
A brilliant character driven episode. I loved how Cersei was all smug but then Tywin wiped the smirk off her face, yet her pathetic pleading voice (*Please don't make me do it again father*) made her situation so sympathetic. Tywin is literally The Patriarchy
You have someone opening up, filling in important back story and developing their character arc in the process, all the while in a slightly ludicrous, larger than life yet banal setting - in this case sitting naked in a bath trying not to get his stump wet. Then there's obviously the symbolic "cleansing" nature of it all. Another example of this is when Tywin was first introduced and he was skinning the stag. You don't forget scenes like these.
Yeah, here's CHARLES FUCKING DANCE giving you a dressing down, chopping up a stag. BOOM
can go from despising Cersei to wishing that her and Jamie could just be left alone to live their lives in the space of about 5 seconds
The word was brazier
Very interested indeed.
I think he's such a great character, but so far they've just made him look like a total dick
I think that really solidified how mental his missus was though.
He looked awfully like Charles Dance in that shot....
it's my main problem with game of thrones
it's not that i'm too dim to follow complex plots it's just that old bearded white men in identical clothing hanging out in gloomy rooms all the time is a pretty reasonable context in which to keep asking who's that again
liked Jamie when having his stump cleaned.. something like: milk of the poppy.. no.. there will be pain.. I'll scream... it could be considerable pain.. I'll scream louder. ARGHHHH!!
the massive catchup/'previously on..' at the start of the episode. It had sean bean in it FFS..
- The fight at the start was spectacular. Brilliantly choreographed, and I had no idea who was going to win. The 'back from the dead' stuff was a bit ridiculous at first- I'm a fan generally of the realism of GoT as opposed to the magic stuff- but I like the idea that the scars remain, and Beric loses a part of himself each time. What's the name of the chap who brought him back, with the beard? He's cool.
- "You haven't heard? Stannis Barratheon laid siege to King's Landing, and your sister.... how can I put this...... your sister..... is alive and well." SO GOOD. Roose Bolton is pure hard-as-nails gritty-Northerner evil.
- The Lannister's all put on a good show here. Jaime's scene in the bath was perfect, and continued to make me feel sympathy towards him (it's going to make his inevitable evil turn when he reaches Kings Landing all the more painful) Tyrion was excellent in his meeting with Margaery's grandma (when he eats the figs :D, ) Tywinn is, as LLB said, THE PATRIARCHY, but big shout-out to ma girl Cersei- she has continually been one of the best characters in this show, and her change from smug political schemer to pleading little daughter was masterful.
- Wish I could like Littlefinger as a character, but Aiden Gillen CAN NOT ACT. He sounds like Andre Villas Boas.
- Daenerys' scene with the slave was good. Have a feeling Barristan and Johrah are going to kick off soon, and she's somehow going to have to choose which one to listen too. TEAM SELMY.
- Where's Joffrey at? Hasn't been a cunt in a while.
- The inevitable Ygritte/Jon Snow pay-off was good. Hope they never leave the cave. But they will and they're going to try and climb the big fucking wall and probably die.
- This was the first thing Robb did that made me like him. Stupid thing to do politically, maybe, but he's a Stark so that is par for the course. IMO he had to kill that kidslayer, he'd been threatening a mutiny for a while. Are the Karstarks related to the Starks by the way?
-Very few programmes make me feel the need to write this stupidly with random capitalised phrases, I think this is probably a good thing.
share old cold northern blood.
Name sounds familiar, has he been mentioned before this series? He's my new favourite character, him and the really scary wildling with the beard. And Ygritte. All the ginger people basically.
but he was name-checked by Barristan and Jorah in this episode in one of their war stories. He was the dude climbing up the walls of Pyke with a flaming sword. They were all, That Thoros of Myr, what a card.
But very briefly, and playedby a different actor.
Ned and Selmy talking about him storming the wall at Pyke
I had it in my mind that he was very, very briefly in the background. But wikis suggest otherwise.
A younger Stark brother called Karlon went off and built a castle called Karlon's Hold which became Karhold. His branch of the family were known as the Karhold Starks and over centuries that simply became Karstark.
Thought that might be the case. I think this every week, but George Martin must be completely mental to think up all of this stuff. I bet he's got huge timelines and family trees stuck on post-it notes all around his house, The Wire style, so he can remember who everyone is.
Literally rocks up, nails everything and then *Oh yeah Jorah, you're a piece of shit, fuck off*
Plus Ian Glen is awesome
But I think Daenerys would choose him if it came down to it. I think he believes in her more. That past of slave trading might come back to haunt him though, especially if the newly free unsullied catch on.
Just think how many people Selmy has killed and how many wars he's fought in and survived. The guy is a machine.
NO FUCKING BOOK SPOILERS
Fucked over in the sense that he has been banished from Westeros, forced to live in exile
Having to deal with the same themes (being denied the right to rule purely based on her gender) but a much more nuanced portrayl without the slightly cheapening fact that book Cersei is in fact totally doolally
And like Jaime, I struggle to feel any sympathy for her when I think back to the part she played in Ned's death and ruining Sansa's life. But when she said 'Not again Daddy, please' or something along those lines, and he just cut her down with 'You're fertile, go breed'- I really did feel for her.
I remember last series when Arya was Tywinn's cup girl, and he said she reminded him of Cersei. She was obviously a tomboy growing up, with pretensions to rule and conquer and be all-powerful. But Jaime has got to do all of the cool shit, whilst Tywinn's has made it clear that her only role is to breed and look pretty. It's completely unsurprising that she is so fucked up.
I'm glad you wrote that out, because I wanted to write something similar, but couldn't form it into words that weren't ERMAGHERD.
if you have read the books I will cut you down you with a flaming sword.
Like everyone else I've warmed to Jaime, but I still don't trust him. I fully expect him to revert to evil Lannister mode as soon as he has the opportunity, and I fear for Brienne when that happens.
Loras is supposed to be devastated because the love of his life has died. Not just boffing the first squire that comes along.
I did enjoy the cut of *how did you know?*/sat with Littlefinger
I got the impression that he was just pleased to be bumming the king. Brienne was the one who really, truly loved Renly.
This is not going to end well. And no, I haven't read the book. It's just a premonition.
other stuff happened!
one of the better episodes this series.
Shireen singing Patchface's song over the end credits
I told the computer to fuck off when that came on and everything
Shireen's greyscale scar things were well worse than I thought they'd be.
I took her singing the song as them basically saying he wasn't going to be in it? It'll be interesting if they just incorporate the creepiness of Patchface into her whole personality though.
I know I Know oh oh oh
best so far
im sure one of you saddos with time on your hands can do great write-up that I can ^this
tywin and granny tyrell in getting the marriages sorted. great lines about him being a sword swallower etc.
rest of it seemed quite slow, long bit of story build up.
the lades alone so he could tell them seperatly was great too
about how it was nice to meet a man who lived up to his reputation
great back and forth of who appeared to have the upper hand
The hot ex-prossie from the north, more recently Littlefinger's assistant.
the hot ex prossie
I would have made what littlefinger said more creepy and mysterious in the longer term. Overly pretty/tidy looking corpses trivialize violence a bit to, I think.
it helped show how much of a bastard joffrey is
given that the shot of Ros was fucking horrendous.
Also there's a visual echo of the three arrows that Arya fires into the practice target at the start of the episode (moonrat gets the credit for pointing this out)
Was she snitching on Littlefinger? I didn't really follow the conversation between him and Varys.
Thanks for that.
I've not seen this season but from what I'e seen in S1 and 2 she's really been there to allow them to avoid too many characters or easily explain background points. Maybe they've realised they no longer need her there so the only real way to stop people thinking, "Wait, couldn't Ros do something?" is to kill her.
like if we actually saw Geoffrey do it, but now that scene in S2 where Ros is sent in to pleasure the king makes more sense.
I'd photoshop Goeffrey from Rainbow over Joffrey's head and post it here.
Do it yourself you lazy git
I'm merely pointing out that if one had such a photoshopped image this would be the ideal time to use it.
- The second Melisandre left Stannis I was like *If she rocks up and takes Gendry I'm gonna be seriously pissed off*
- I can understand why they wrote out Wilas Tyrell (a crippled character no one ever sees) but it's turned the Loras/Cersei pact stuff into more of a palaver than it needs to be
either way I agree.
and bran story line needs to hurry the fuck up.
without spoiling things?
I'd say 90% of the changes they've made have had a positive impact on making the series work for the screen.
But recently I've just thought some of things they've changed are first of all undermining the emotional effect several later scenes have and more pressingly in a couple of issues I think they're creating plot issues further down the line
I usually think Littlefinger is totally miscast (particularly because of Aiden Gillen's wandering accent) but I really thought he nailed his Machiavellian speech at the end. Sad to see the end of Ros but I thought it was a really impactful way for the writers to end her storyline. Also I found it supremely creepy that the arrows in her were the same as the arrows Arya made in the strawman at the beginning of the episode.
This is a really great piece I read about GoT and political theory. I don't think it's particularly spoilery but I have read the books and sometimes forget what we're not supposed to know, so maybe someone else could read it and confirm.
Queen of Thorns is easily the best new character, so much sass. Really glad to see the God of Light story getting fleshed out more too - back in the day it seemed like it was just an excuse to make Stannis look more powerful than he actually was, but now we've seen that there is at least some truth to this God it's adding a cool new element. Fuck them nabbing Gendry though, Arya's all alone again :'(
Also glad that Cersei and Tyrion are on speaking terms again, they have good chemistry when they're not focused on out-scheming each other.
- Sam and the girl heading out alone in the woods with what appeared to be an already dead baby. Cool. Reckon they're gonna get back to Westeros no problem.
- Enjoyed the spotlight on Thoros of Myr, who I have just found out, by the way, is DENNIS FUCKING PENNIS!??? How the hell did I not notice that earlier? Incredible. But yeah, his speech about his religion is good. It's nice to have a character to actually root for in this 'One True God' storyline, as that Melissandre woman is a bit, you know, terrifying.
- As others have already said, Tywin and the Tyrell grandma was spectacular. She's near enough stolen every scene she's been in so far. Long may it continue.
- Not enough Danaerys in this one. I know they have to cut out certain plots to stop the episode being disjointed, but still. What's she up too? Just rolling around the Free Cities with a massive fucking slave army and some dragons and Ser Barristan Selmy, no biggie.
- SO THEY ACTUALLY CLIMBED THE WALL. Good job. Ygritte is in legitimate fantasy-girlfriend territory now though. Don't think I've had this much love for a fictional character before. Her and Jon Snow's Titanic moment at the end was nice, if a bit corny. My heart would have been warmed if it wasn't for the line from earlier in the show floating in my head:
"If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention."
- Pretty much the ethos of the whole show summed up right there. But still, please don't fucking kill Ygritte you bastards! I want her and Jon Snow to go off Bonnie and Clyde style around Westeros fucking shit up.
- WHERE ARE THE DIREWOLVES? Obviously the dead one is, well, dead, and Arya's one is lost, but I haven't seen Jon Snow's wolf in a while. Or Bran's. Did they blow the whole CGI wolf budget on climbing the wall? Has Bran's little brother got a wolf too? Does the brother become a character soon, or is he just destined to be the irrelevant Stark kid? Feel free to ignore all these question if the answer's will be spoilers.
- Ros :(
and then BAM he's shot an innocent prossie between the legs with a crossbow. Classic Joffrey.
'cause it's harder to make them realistic looking with the hair and all. all the starks have wolves but they bugger off for periods &
rickon is a three year old at the start of the books so there's not much in the way of character.
It's called Shaggydog. <3
I was worried that they were underselling their relationship but as cheesey as the end shot was when they got there I was like YEEEEEEEEEEEAH!
I think it's clever how the opening and closing scenes both depicted relationships, which despite their geographical distance, aren;t really that far apart. To Jon and Ygritte, standing on top of the Wall, it might feel like their relationship has all the possibilities in the world, but in reality they're just as fucked as Sam and his girlfriend (name escapes me), sat in the middle of the woods surrounded by zombies like they're in a bloody slasher film. Where do they both go from here? No happy endings here.
my hands begin to shake a little as I get closer to the final few chapters because you know for sure there's some dark shit coming, and it might not be for the ones you hate. :-/
hated the end of A Dance with dragons because of this - it nearly went out of the window
After the bloodbath that is A Storm of Swords, every new character (of the many thousands he lumps in that book) I was just like *Why should I care? You're just going to DIE the second I think I like you*
In fact I think that may be one of my least favourite changes from the books.
Rickon had TWO LINES!
Admittedly, it was the same line twice. But still
Obvs, not in a good way. Maybe Psycho is more an apt word?
I feel like this show should be an hour and a half to properly serialise this shit
That bit with Joffrey and Ros is basically the most harrowing thing ever, can't stop thinking about it. Argh.
like, about the First Men and the Valyrian empire and all that. Great fun, like the GoT equivalent of the Silmarillion or something. So many cool details and lands, which i really hope GRRM develops
Mainly Braavos and the other Free Cities. I think I once read somewhere that we're yet to know about most of the land north of The Wall. Do you think we'll ever see the Summer Islands?
i doubt it re: Summer Islands, just so many other places to go in Essos first. I'm reaaally hoping Dany goes to the ruins of Valyria eventually, and does something badass to do with her ancestral home. Also would really like to see a development of the far east of Essos, like Asshai and the Shadow Lands and things, but unlikely to happen
All the fucking Slaver's Bay places Dany goes to = FUCK OFF
Theon is being held captive by someone under Little Finger's employment.
When he Theon's torturer said last week that he'd give him a clue, he started stripping his little finger.
Bet I'm right.
What with the whole "we have powerful friends" thing and Jorah not knowing who they were (and he seems to know everything).
Once again I find myself warming to Jaimie Lannister.
The Tywin/Joffery exchange was fantastic.
What will The Hound do with Arya? Will he help her the way he said he'd help Sansa?
Only downside to this week was a lack of Diana Rigg
oh yeah, Joffrey limply trying to impose his authority on Tywin :') stupid little prick
Charles Dance is always more badass then you.
Which also happens to be the second rule of Charles Dance
And she really didnt do anything THAT spectacular.
AND threaten to sack a whole city whilst keeping their peace offering gifts of gold and ships.
That's pretty awesome I'd say
When you've got an army and dragons. I thought Jimmy Lannister was far more awesome for facing a bear with no weapons and only one hand.
She did some talking.
Was it real or CGI?
"What the fuck are you doing to my bear?"
"Go get yourself a golden hand and go fuck yourself with it"
doubt they could use a real bear. looked really good though!
and a real bear mauled Brienne?
I liked the bit where he casually tossed the broken wooden sword aside. Go Little Bart :D
just get on with whatever is supposed to happen.
Where the hell is that going?!
Watching a guy get tortured repeatedly is funnily enough, not particularly compelling or interesting
".....not a girl who worked as a prostitute" :)
we all know that granny tyrell is diana rigg don't we? that's why she's good.
I HATE that fat blubbery gimp with the stupid idiot mophead and goatee. don't even know his name, he's been pathetic-ing around for about 25 episodes now - can he please be quickly frozen to death.
Now cannot hear aidan gillan without imagining AVB and Martin Jol press conferences.
Can people stop talking about it until then please?
I never do...
"I've seen wet shits I love more than Walder Frey"
Following last weeks sterling effort with "the law of my fist will compel your teeth"
Also, more Bryn please. Enjoyed his lad chat with Tyrion
Also Arya's only god being Death - that's some cold shit right there. If she stays alive she will fuck shit up, for sure
Tywin reminding Joffrey who's really in charge
Arya getting grabbed by The Hound (who I only realised last night is the YARP! guy from Hot Fuzz)
Storylines for Theon, Jon Snow (pronounced 'snorr') and Brann crawled another boring inch
Robb's a father, which makes me think Talisa is going to be dead soon
Sansa cried some more
Poor Tyrion trying to convince Shae it could all be okay :(
Jamie Lannister turned back to rescue Brienne from a bear! I love the fact that Jamie has somehow become the hero.
"How many people have you killed? Hundreds? Thousands? Countless?"
"And how many lives did you save?"
"Half a million"
Given Martin wrote it and in the books it's unconfirmed whether Robb's wife is preggers or not
I believe it is confirmed in AFOC?
Can't continue without spoilers though so let's leave it there
The shot of Gendry and Mel sailing through the wreck of the Blackwater was AMAZING
Ace Charles dance quote
And she's related to Charles Dickens!
but then I got what you meant. Excellent stuff!
can't believe I didn't notice that Bron was Jerome! I knew most of the other things.
Plus A Bunch Of Stuff You Probably Couldn't Care Less About
I didn't even notice. :(
Engagement has changed you.
"X Things You Didn't Know About Y" lists are always shit and patronising, though.
1. He knows 15 things about Game of Thrones.
2. Being engaged has made him less cynical.
3. He thinks "X Things You Didn't Know About Y" lists are always shit and patronising.
4. The 'mahone' in his username rhymes with 'Ramone' not 'Mahoney'.
It is mesemerising
I think that's when the big shit will kick off this season, and will be totally worth all the setting up and crap
Gutted as it's taking a break for Labour Day weekend so I'm going to be in Porto
I'd worked out in my head that it'd be bank holiday weekend, which would have been perfect.
I've never noticed
BUT THIS IS THE BIGGEST AND BEST SHIT -> FAN INTERFACE EVER
And it's taking a break? What when why? No no no
So have decided to have a break for it
Or else people who compile viewing figures never heard of adding in delayed viewings as a result of recording devices.
Seems crazy to me that people would just go, "I've seen the other X episodes...I could record it, but nah. I'll probably pick it up next ep". I guess I love TV more.
(I know all the defensive Doctor Who fans wait for the 'adjusted' figures later in the week that include the online/recorded viewings so I just figured for a show like GoT the final tally wouldn't be much different.)
And the weekly race to be the first in my facebook feed to say something about GoT has already been won. With spoilers.
Apart from the last 90 seconds.
Tyrion is still frustrated, Cercei still doesn't like Marge, Stannis is still daft, Arya moved to another place and Joffrey is still a bellend. Dany took another army by doing nothing more exciting than talking and getting her norks out.
Tyrion's still got it. I thought that Daario guy was Jago or whatever he was called, the assassin who helped Arya... Maybe he is..'
Are people forgetting Sam turning into a bad ass? Then stupidly leaving the dragon glass behind.
You're not the first person I've seen to suggest that.
DISCOVERS A WEAPON THAT CAN KILL WHITE WALKERS
LEAVES IT IN THE SNOW AND RUNS AWAY
spearheads, knifes etc.
Or are they still at the Fist of the First Men?
I didn't know there was more than one though.
I hope he gets to be a regular for a while. To anyone who has seen Ill Manors, it's the same actor who plays the bad boi who saves the baby at the end.
Not a complaint.
Pretty slow episode I guess but Tyrion was brilliant.
Started to feel sorry for most of the Lannister's in previous episodes when it's been made clear that Tywin just forces them into things they clearly don't want to do, but I would have been quite happy to have seen Joffrey get his throat slit in that episode. What an absolute cretin.
Is the Hound going to turn out to be a total lad? (don't really want to know the answer so no book spoilers please)
I was expecting Gendry to get it, but I also didn't think GRRM would be above bumping off Daenerys, Sam and/or Gilly with little or no warning.
Nobody. I'd say the person whos got the best chance is Arya but I wouldnt put it past GRRM to bump her off in the most brutal sadistic way imaginable just to do it
Should have been ep 9, right?
But that's being aired in the States on the 2nd, so the 3rd here..
Basically it's a bank holiday weekend there as well, so they took a break to avoid losing viewing figures.
there's evidence upthread. BUT DON'T FUCKING LOOK IF YOU HAVEN'T WATCHED IT YET.
finally some dialogue and now he's buggered off no doubt.
I have real trouble following Game of Thrones beyond the main characters/plots. I had no idea <you know who> who delivered <that line> was a character before this episode, just another whitey with a silly name yunno.
The last scene / expression has been burnt into my mind all evening :(
I assume you're talking about Roose Bolton
Well even reading the books it's hard to get a sense of who *everyone* is, I find. I think I found the whole Reek stuff at the end of ACOK and also I'm pretty sure I'd just had Roose down as A.N.Other Bannerman until the Red Wedding in ASOS.
It feels like they've made more of Roose in the TV series (good) but people's names aren't really used a great deal so, much like The Wire, you find yourself going "that guy who did <specific thing>" if you haven't been able to pin down which guy is playing who.
But still, I was pretty sure Robb and Talisa weren't going to make it.
I knew it was coming...but....christ almighty
Was it the same song that played when she promised him that Rob would marry on of his daughters?
Man that was grim :(
I need to re-watch everything, because I'm sure that I'm missing about 40% of the story!
And episode 9 of season two (Battle of Blackwater, Tywin saving Kings Landing and destroying Sannis Barateon's army) the music that played over the credits was the version of it The National did.
A lot of people are ruining this on Twitter, which is a shame, but hardly unexpected. Thankfully I hadn't looked on there before I started watching.
I can't wait over a year to see if certain characters get their comeuppance so am going to read the books. CBA reading what's been shown already, can I start at Storm of Swords part 2?
Seeing people's reaction to this having already got over it thanks to reading the books. Still horrible viewing though. I've an eternal hatred for the Freys.
I really really wish I knew what shit he had cooking up. Could've ended this there and then >:(
that was horrible. Can't really describe how I feel after that
I liked how people have a hollywood attachment to main characters who 'can't die' even though Robb has made several bad decisions throughout season 3.
However seeing Talisa get repeatedly stabbed in the belly was fucking grim.
We need some positive stuff now, hopefully Ayra becoming a badass ninja assassin.
Go train with a combo of the Hound and Jacquen
Robb essentially plunged an entire continent into a war that upended an uneasy but stable political consensus, and he did it entirely for personal reasons.
well she sure does now. Also, when Jon finds out what's happened to his family since he's been away ... hooo boy.
what with the big gap in main characters we now have. Bran's new powers bode well for that though. Also Gendry for king plz plz
+ Arya queen. Eventually. Hopefully.
Would that have them both in King's Landing though? Can't see that working for Arya ...
And I haven't read the books. Arya and Gendry are my best bets for surviving at least, along with Jon Snow (who could end up being king if Gendry isn't).
Knew it was coming as I've read the books but still...
The Blackfish went for a timely piss didn't he? Anyone know what's happening there?
Hes an absolute hero in the books
I dont *think* he was at the wedding in the books. So it was just a device to save him (and probably make people question his motives).
and he wasn't there in the books. In the show I guess he got involved in the big fight outside. Hopefully find out next week what happened to him.
I seem to recall some sort of story about him swimming through a moat.
Was convinced Jon Snow was going to be the one to go or at least the big thing would be about him.
When the Hound steals the meat wagon and you see Arya looking at the twins and he gives her that speech about fear, I knew then that something was going to happen that meant Arya wouldn't reunite with her family.
I haven't read the books but my girlfriend has, she actually threw the book at the wall when that happened.
Story is full of absolute rotten to the core bastards!
Was talking with a friend (neither of us have read the books) a few weeks ago about how Rob Stark couldn't possibly last the course- as a first-born son and king-elect there's just not enough there to drive the Stark redemption plot that I perhaps incorrectly assume is coming in the long term, especially when you compare him to his misfit siblings (a cripple, a bastard, a tomboy and a character who's done suspiciously little so far). There's far more that can be done with them in terms of character development and story arc, and Rob was just too easy and straightforward. We also couldn't see him coming up against Daenerys ... Again, just not enough conflict to drive the plot there.
But I had no idea it would be so brutal or so soon. Fuck me. Been slightly mancrushing on the actor who played him since Sirens too :(
Game of Thrones has killed more fully developed characters than most TV shows manage to create in their entire runs.
I agree with that, and would add that it also has the fucking most solid villains in any fiction I've ever seen.
At least it'll end on a light hearted note
Unless they're about to pack Season 4 with stuff from AFFC and ADWD...
as someone who has no idea of what is going to happen now.
I remember joffreys wedding happening before this wedding tbh
Red wedding chapter 51
Joffrey wedding chapter 60
The tension and foreshadowing throughout the episode was executed (sorry) perfectly and was driving me nuts. I think a lot of people who knew what was coming thought they would handle it with preparation, but it was even worse. I watched the last 10/15 minutes shaking and with my hand over my mouth. Fucking mental.
Michelle Fairley was great in this, though. In the book it describes how Catelyn felt her back was on fire and her tears burned, and she really did look like she was in a burning hell with emotion.
For some reason I watched it twice last night - once on my own and then again with a friend. I couldn't watch Talisa's murder a second time.
I can't wait for the aftermath though. It'll be fucking righteous.
And so many people here (and around the world) didn't get spoilered by this
I've read the books and wasn't spoilered and my reaction was pretty much like all these people here
Sorry, I've just noticed them
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I did not see that coming! :( I liked all of em
I can't help but feel short changed by the battle for Yunkai. Really felt that budgetary constraints came into play there.
Three dudes vs an entire city what?
although I did like the bit where daenerys said something along the lines of, 'this sure is taking a long time', and within 30 seconds it was over
They've been building up to Dany attacking Yunkai all season so I was hoping for a proper pay off. As cool as the scene with grey worm, Jorah and pretty face fighting the guards was I wanted more!
did they know about the attack? that wasn't really explained at all
then, since they were just untrained slaves, the rest of them gave up when they saw how awesome those 3 are as fighters, since Dany had offered them freedom if they came to her side.
and never thought I really cared but blimey that was as brutal as anything i've ever seen.
how far into the story as a whole does that happen in the books? how many more books are gonna come out - and how many seasons are there likely to be?
Rest of book 3, book 4 and book 5 are written and published
2 more books to write
book 4 is similar in pagecount to books 1 & 2, so i would guess that would just be a single TV season (5)
book 5 is longer than 3, so seasons 6 and 7 there. and if the final two books are similar in length...
which becomes problematic, because very few TV shows maintain their popularity beyond seven seasons. but I think this might be different, and I half expect to be watching some blood-soaked conclusion to season 11 in 2021.
Or, rather, the first half of Book 5 happens at the same time as all of Book 4. So, assuming they actually get to make Seasons 5 and 6, they'll be made up from both books entwined.
If GRRM can keep it together then book 6 is out next year so that would theoretically be Season 7, in 2017, meaning season 8 as the final book in 2018, which would give him approximately 4 years to finish it.
Right now they're padding the fuck out of the TV show compared to the books because they have to fill in lots of stuff that we have no Point of View sections for in the books, instead we just get told of them.
In AFFC and ADWD there are very few major characters we don't hear from so there will be less need for the TV show writers to add things (IMO).
That said, there have already been a number of key alterations from the books so we don't really know what routes they might take.
I found something online that says GRRM has told them a rough outline for the ending, and that they only play to do 7 or 8 seasons, and they expect it to finish before the books end.
but at the speed they're going I guess they are looking to finish when the last book comes out so they'll probably speed things up, then, and drop lots of side plots to get to the ending quicker.
Maybe they'll try and fit books 4&5 into one season?
That it's approximately half of the 3rd book.
Can see it a mile off..
that stops her getting to Westeros.
Someone will find a way to take her dragons away and then lop off her head.
Their dad was one of the leaders of a rebellion that killed most of her family and forced her to leave Westeros. Not sure she'd be so quick to forget that.
I can just see it happening.
I'm interested in how much of a time leap the rest of the books take. Obviously Arya is going to grow up to be a bit of a warrior, so I can see her getting to about 16 / 17.
By the way, did anyone know that Rob Stark is supposed to be 16 years old, in the books?
However, the TV show is obviously suffering a bit from the kids growing up. Actually made me think of The Shield where about 4 years of the show take place over a few months in 'show time', but obviously Vic's kids all grow up.
Rickon and Bran represent the only real issue for them. They made all the kids slightly older in any case.
But I guess if we're only half way through the 3rd book, it might not be too much of a problem.
I'm getting from what you've said, the impression that Bran ends up being a bit of a leader?
Bran already looks way old in Season 3 compared to 1 and 2 but in show time it's probably only been a few months. Rickon's even younger so more time to grow.
and half of the fit naked chicks in the TV program are about 14
Jon Snow even younger.
I'm pretty sure all of Ned's children were born after he came back from the war but he brought Jon back with him.
He was conceived on Ned and Catelyn's wedding night and born while Ned was fighting Robert's Rebellion. Both Jon and Robb are 14 at the start of A Game of Thrones, meaning that Jon must have been born within at least 12 months of Robb being born, which adds to the speculation that Jon isn't really Ned's bastard.
But Hodor's name isn't actually Hodor. Iirc it's Walder.
dunno why but i'm much much more involved with *any* of the kings landing and deaneris stuff than anyone northern or beyond northern (scottish?!). As a non-diehard i could well live without any of the stark/north of the wall/theon stuff.
Arya and hound excepted, even though it's basically a rehash of the jamie storyline i like the odd couple stuff.
Stannis and magic witch are ok, i find her quite attrative.
There was such a strong odour of doom hanging over the whole Stark storyline this season. the stench was getting unbearable and it needed to be dealt with.
ever since he married the chick at the end of season 2 it was doomed, and arguably when he beheaded that guy for treason.
still pretty horrible though.
no one really liked him, right?
but I supported his cause. A bit like when Harry Redknapp was Spurs manager.
Also a bit po-faced a lot of the time.
Glad she's gone to be honest.
that was worse.
The way The Rains of Castamere started and the door shut, chilling.
The look Roose gave Catelyn. Oh man. And how fucking good was Michelle Fairley in it all?
Small gripe - Roose is supposed to say *Jaime Lannister sends his regards*. Cos, he like, did. I guess they don't want to hamper his redemption antihero arc.
In Westeros culture, someone is your guest once they have sampled your bread and salt (what they were eating at the start - in the books Catelyn pointedly asks for it). Once that has happened they have guest rites and fall under the protection of the host.
After killing a member of your family, violating guest rites is the categorical worst thing that you can do. Both acts are said to curse you.
I actually thought that episode was pretty great, even after the last one.
Ramsay is my favourite evil little gimp, better than Joffrey who just looks pathetic. The bit with the sausage :D and the dick in a box.
Feel like we're supposed to think Jon Snow is dead or dying. Don't buy it, sorry. He's alive and well. I got a bit fed up of Ygritte, U No Nuffink Jon Sno just sounds like some mouthy Essex girl if you hear if often enough. Doubt we've seen the last of her though.
Apart from actually starting to like Varys and admiring Tyrion rather than just finding him witty light relief, I was disappointed by the Daenarys bit. Pretty white girl saluted by loads of brown people was a bit weird and slightly racist seeming. meesa sounded like massa too. Not a good look.
But I've not read enough of the books to know if/how people have been racialised and why they cast predominantly people of colour in that scene...
because of where they are and they were all slaves.
One of the few times this show has used cheap tricks and so on like that. The scene didnt add anything. It just gave people a happy ending to hold onto.
Terrible scene. But DD asked a bit like why are all the Chinese people in China.. I guess the film didn't fully explain how far she's marched and how each city has its own style/culture. I'm sure they'll get to that in time.
given that it's a fictional universe. It's more like: why have the programme-makers* decided that all the freed slaves should be brown, and why are they worshipping their blonde-haired liberator as a "mother"? Did nobody think that was a problem? The whole slaves-as-children metaphor should have died out with the Victorians.
*Used advisedly, because I'm told the details are different in the book. Which also makes you wonder why they changed it for TV.
but I always felt that those lands represent the middle-east and asia in GRRM's universe.
The real question is "Did nobody think that was a problem?" As far as I know, people from West Yorkshire don't have a painful history of slavery and genocide, although that could just be a sign of my uneducated southern privilege.
I just said I don't know how this has been covered in the books/ where they are/ why the people might look a certain way.
your 20.55 post sounds a bit like you're saying characters in a fictional world have to be played by brown actors because they're salves?
sorry that all sounded a bit harsh
Most of westeros - white Northern European
Dorne and the free cities - Mediterranean
Slavers bay and most of Essos - North Africa/ Middle East
Summer islands - sub Saharan Africa
Also westeros has outlawed slavery hence no white slaves
The books have much more of a knowing wink as the white people go "URGH! Savages!" as they then brutally massacre their allies at a weddin or carry out a concerted rape campaign
But in the show he is such a giant fickle tool.
He's a humourless arse who's completely in sway to some red haired she devil.
Stannis does suck
I tend to like him more in the show than in the book.
Needed more Michael Jackson's 'Earth Song'...
But I liked the bit where she crowd-surfed.
Top, top stuff.
yet, but it seems increasingly clear to me that John Snow is not Ned Stark's son.
Could he be Benjen Starks illigitimate son? Who thingy had to raise cause his brothers sworn not to shag anyone?
Or (far more exiting)
He's Lyanna and rhaegar targaryen's son and therefore the rightful heir.
This is cause ned would say you're not a stark but you have my blood etc. so probably a family member of some sort.
sorry for spoilering it everyone :(
Surely he wouldn't have allowed her to be burned alive if so?
The theory is widely known but has not been confirmed or denied
We learned that Rhaegar kidnapped her and raped her multiple times according to Robert Baratheon.
In the series we don't really know much about the circumstances surrounding her death. But I'm not sure where you're getting her being burned alive from.
Although engaged to Robert Baratheon, Lyanna Stark never lived to marry him. Her abduction by Rhaegar Targaryen, heir to the throne, was one of several reasons why Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon raised arms against the Mad King Aerys. She died in Ned's arms during his attempt to rescue her; Robert mourned her death even after he wed Cersei Lannister.
That's all I'm saying
Neds' father and brother being burned alive, just prior to the rebellion of Robert Baratheon
Just assumed he burned everyone.
I haven't read the books either so I can't drop any spoilers unless it's been on the show.
I just meant - in the series, this is what we know.
I thought Lyanna died in unknown circumstances in Dorne.
Love ASOIAF theories
And it's not unknown for women to die that way in Westeros.
This is a good essay about it: http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/mlarchives/faq/jon.html
Like Joanna Lannister.
Also Ned's last thoughts before dying were that he'd never see Jon Snow to tell him something
And also Ned was a man of rigid honour and the only time we saw him break it was his fake confession to protect his daughters
I might skip 1 and 2 then just read 3 and 4. I know it's cheating but I'm too impatient.
The book ruins the TV quite a lot though, from personal experience.
i'm quite a slow reader so it'll probably take me about 15 years
like, one step above harry potter
oh dear. never mind then.
There's so much more info (cos it's all told from different internal monologues) and extra characters that you'll be totally swamped starting in the mid point.
Also we're only half way through book 3 on the tv show (though they've juggled some events around - red wedding happens in the last third of book 3 and marks the start of a whole cavalcade of shit going off. Seriously, I was up till 3 in the morning finishing it cos the last 200 pages or so are fucking CRAZY
because I do like the idea of just sticking to watching the show, and just focusing on the characters the way they have been shown so far. But on the other hand I can't wait 5 years or whatever for the stories to be finished, so why not just start the books now.
For me it doesn't detract. It's interesting to see how they've made the same points but via different routes at times.
There are 5 books published so far, but they've been released as 7 books (ie 2 of them have been split into 2 parts, so 5 title but 7 actual printed and bound books). Is that correct?
Gonna take the plunge when I'm paid but Amazon is confusing me.
The Kindle editions (some of which have the 2-parters published as a single whole, some of which don't) were too much for me to deal with this morning
In the US the paperbacks are one volume. I believe it's due to the thickness and style of paper we put into our paperbacks, meaning at that size they are more likely to fall apart. And obviously, it means more money.
I don't know whether the presence of the split in book 3 in the UK encouraged them to split the book over two seasons or it just happened that way. For book 5 I think they've actually (more or less) split the book at the point at which Book 4 ends. I'm basing this on Book 4 being 'A Feast for Crows' and Book 5, Part 2 being subtitled 'After the Feast'.
On Kindle Book 5 certainly isn't split. If they're keeping the split on Book 3 I'd guess it's more about the TV show and the fact that they've probably got a tie-in cover for the first part like they did for books 1 & 2. Really there should be a single Kindle edition for Book 3 alone.
but iirc it cost more than buying parts 1 and 2 separately.
they are charging the hardback price for both books 3 and 5 to get them in one volume. That sort of makes sense.
What doesn't make sense if it costs £18.31 for books 1-4 in Kindle but £26.89 for the books 1-4 block buy.
I'm just gonna rip through them as quickly as I can.
Little did I know what the brilliant cunt was really up to :(
I'm sure it won't last.
Usually just before she drives the knife a bit deeper.
that kind of took me by surprise.
interest in Tyrion / Cersei's sub-plot together, I thought you were referencing that.
You never know, Cersei might end up having a spell as a really nice person, for some of the story!
Like, at the point where the TV show watchers and the book readers were caught up with each other, and then was like BOOM, double whammy of the last two books, one after the other. I bet he's sitting on the manuscripts right now
He has said he won't let anyone else finish them
but would probably be something about copyright
The opening scene, the guy with no legs and then 'here comes the King Of The North' really really upsetting and disturbing. Arya getting all stabby - I hope she doesn't get too dark. Obviously I want her to kick some serious arse but I don't want her to end up cold and hateful of everyone.
The Hound is a good guy?
I really hope joffrey never gets his hands on the head. Oh god DIE DIE DIE PAINFULLY!!!!
and isn't even a knight.
Doesn't Tywin value Tyrion?! Can't he see he's the most intelligent and most good of his children? I suppoose he doesn't vaule goodness but still. ARGH.
Dig online if you want to find out
I think the main reason is that Tywins' wife died giving birth to Tyrion
The other thing is that Tywin's father very nearly ruined the Lannister house. As such Tywin is obsessed with 1. Ensuring the family name stays as strong as possible and 2. He's is in complete fear of being ridiculed or embarrassed. He can not bear to be the butt of jokes
Why did Jon Snow leave Ygritte if he loves her?
Why didn't he take her with him?
Whose is Castle Black, again?
like he already had to kill his commander to join the wildlings, and then as if that wasn't enough, they're like KILL THIS MAN WITH NO FAMILY AND NO CONNECTIONS and instead he fights/kills everyone else and fucks off. Idiot.
Joer knew they'd both die unless he got Jon to kill him, hence him provoking the attack. Jon was reluctant to do it, but knew he had to.
Point still stands
as a sworn brother of The Night's Watch, if Jon Snow showed up to Castle Black with a wildling girl he's fallen in love with, he would be beheaded for breaking his oaths. Ygritte would then be killed because she's a wildling.
If he let Ygritte stand and fight with him against the other wildlings and Jon was killed by them, Ygritte would be killed by the wildlings for betraying them.
Basically, it was the only situation that wouldn't result in them both dying. If you were in love with someone, wouldn't you rather they were safe without you and not-killed, rather than constantly in threat for their life with you/dead?
and the not shagging girls bit of the oath is a load of wank, maybe they'd let this one go....
Plus the now default leader is Aliser Thorne who isn't known to be Jon's biggest fan
I thought it would be a disappointment following the Red Wedding, but there were some real highlights and some incredible set-ups for next year:
The horrendous post-wedding scene.
Stannis going North.
Arya going batshit.
The "reveal" that Bolton's son is torturing Theon, and the introduction of the name Reek.
The single scene (from the whole series) on the Iron Isles.
The scene between Frey and Bolton.
Sam and Bran's meeting and Bran crossing the wall.
Joffrey being sent to bed :')
The big question for me, considering his storyline's divergence from the book, is Gendry. What do we think will happen to him?
I had to look up who Gendry was after you posted that. Time to start from the beginning again I think.
When Frey asked if he'll stay at Winterfell, Bolton said it wasn't standing and he'll need somewhere more permanent and just looks up at Frey with that look he does
And he reminds me of a more charismatic and mature Daniel Craig.
Cold yet clever bastard.
after his bastard
YOU KNOW NOTHING THEOGB!
Also like how he RT a story from The Onion just before.