Am I the only person on DiS who's vaguely "spiritual"
There was a personality thing Joe M sent round and loads of people did it and I was the only one who got a percentage slice that was "spiritual".
Not sure what this means exactly, I'm an agnostic at best but I do believe a lot of that self help stuff.
What's the matter with the rest of you? Dead eyed practicalists?
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No i dont think you are.
i'm loving all that G I Gurdjieff hocus pocus at the mo.
According to BBC Magazine...
...spitituality without religion is on the rise - unfortunately such folk are are mental apparently :(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20888141
well our moker certainly disproves that
Cheers brusma
but I reckon if you do believe in "somthing" then it certainly makes sense not to align yourself to any religion, which are all manmade crackpot mental institutions.
Good news
He must be the acception that proofs the rule...
I hope I wasn't the only one to have a chuckle.
Well played. :D
Dead eyed practicalist, reporting in
(don't think that's a word, though)
Sounds good though huh?
I might have gone for "pragmatist", myself
That's exactly the kind of sensible decision a
dead-eyed practicalist would make.
I think creakyknees runs around parks naked covered in chickens blood
Does that count as spiritual?
^ knows
Spiritual isn't actually a thing.
Yes it is
Nah, it's not
No, no, it really is
I think there's a few people (me included) who
are either
- churchgoing christians, or
- used to go to church at some point but have given up on it but still believe in God
I'm not sure about other religions though
are there any jews / muslims / sikhs / hindus / buddhists on here? (Apologies to any other faiths I've missed out)
*miscellaneous
I worship the planet
about 30% of the time. (The rest of the time I'm wrecking it).
I think I would like to be more spiritual. I'm not sure what spiritual means.
Yeah, it's difficult but I reckon it's
it's something like having a belief in, or search for a higher intelligence or a higher plain of consciousness.
It sounds airy-fairy but to me, that's what the search is about. People like their religions which say X is wrong and Y is right and Z looks like this. But really, if there is something, anything more than we can understand, it's not going to be one man casting judgement upon people for how they live their lives.
I'm about 10% spiritual
That's 10% too much
sort it out
I'd like to be more spiritual but don't really have it in me
I'm way too cyncial/sceptical. I do want to learn meditation to help with anxiety though, its supposed to really help
i hate that meditation has to be lumped in with all the spirituality bollocks.
Why? It makes a lot of sense
Yes, but meditation's not inherently spiritual
exactly, which is why i'm going to give it a go
As long as I can see the science in why it might work then I'll try it. Probably still feel like a right knob when I first attempt it though
You might, but there's no need.
It's quite freaky the first few times if you're not doing some sort of 'guided' meditation. Makes you realise just how much background chatter's going on in your head at any one time.
If you do want to start out with guided practice then I'd recommend the Headspace programme: http://www.getsomeheadspace.com/
Cool
I've been meditating on and off for a couple of years. It's hella difficult but also quite rewarding. But also at times wall-punching frustrating.
Can be a bit overwhelming at first.
cheers, I've got an audiobook for it
but I'll try that too
perhaps its just different people define spirituality differently
exactly this
I can't articulate what I think of it is, but I know I shoudl strive to achievemore of it. Is it not like focussing so internally that the opposite effect happens and you almost separate yourself fomr your ego? (I think I've read too many slef books. IGNORE.)
The pursuit of the sacred or whatever wikipedia says
That's cool. Nothing wrong with soul searching.
All these dead-eyed practicalists can think about engineering or something instead.
For me it's about achieving, albeit briefly, that state of 'pure consciousness',
or whatever you want to call it when your mind isn't clouded with underlying thoughts or mental chatter, the majority of which serves no real purpose other than to muddy your thinking. I recognised in my early 20s that I was getting into a cycle of negative thought patterns that were becoming self-destructive, and meditation's really helped me to combat that.
I felt an affinity with this bit from a Thom Yorke interview in the Guardian last week: 'Partly, he says, it's quite a deliberate response to previous depressive tendencies. He armed himself against any midlife despair, he says, with a three-point plan: 'Running, yoga, meditation.'' http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2013/feb/23/thom-yorke-radiohead-interview
Wisdom by name, wisdom but nature
Well wise but nature. Wise-dom.
Whatever.
Thom Yorke doesn't half need a fucking haircut
I'm bailing out.
I hate the very notion of religion and spirituality.
No good can come of me staying in this thread.
where is this personality that you took, Ill give it a go
* test
It's here
https://www.archetypeme.com/user/quiz
There's probably a medium number of spiritual types on DiS.
...
:D
tarot-ble punning there, theo
I could spend a fortune telling you you're wrong.
spirituality
hahahah
well i'm definitely not religious but i would say im quite spiritual you know? like karma and stuff like that. cos once I found a £20 note outside a shop and gave it into the shop and the guy said thanks then a bit later I found a FIFTY! pound note just somewhere not near a shop so I kept it! Thats karma! Also I think theres probably a big reason to be nice to people but ITS NOT GOD! ok.
ok
that's not how karma works though
sorry to burst your bubble there chief
Yeah, sounds like you just kept £50 of some old woman
who couldn't eat for a week.
which was nothing to do with losing the £50,
she just couldn't find her false teeth. They were under her bed, her son found them a week later.
Yes
define sprituality.
do you mean the supernatural?
because that doesn't exist.
Cheers
Unfortunately, yes
I probably do mean that.
Although super-natural has fairly ludicrous associations. But I guess I have a weird belief I can't qualify that would be stuck under this category.
what is your belief though?
Dunno
I can't not believe in something. I've tried to be practical as possible. Just get the feeling there's a higher consciousness than the one I'm on. Like we all connect somehow. Or something.
Like I said I can't put my finger on it, it's just there. I've read some books, done some meditation, but I guess I should search a bit more.
I'm not saying this isn't all in my head. Depressing but very possible. But you gotta sometimes go where your mind wants. Or your "soul".
face the fact the universe doesn't care about you
sorry man
Maybe I am the universe
dont worry. There are plenty of things that determinist logic cannot explain
and science is only an interpretation that holds untill the next paradigm shift (theoreticsal physics)
and so ideas/beliefs that fill in on the gaps between what you 'know' to be true are fine, as long as they are not damaging, it does NOT indicate illogicality (unless it flies in the face of logic that another part of the brain should be able to understand)
give me an example...
I would rather admit I don't know than "fill in the gaps".
Seems alot more truthful way of looking at the world, and I would say less damaging to a degree.
What? I don't use it to fill gaps in science
I'm not talking about that at all.
Ok sorry, I didnt know exactly what you meant, I was just offering ONE
suggestion of how it might be wrong to criticise spirituality
so...spirtuality exists where we don't have knowledge
hmm
Nah, I believe fully in science
but I do see creaky's point. Some people use it as a gap filler. I think it sits along side everything else. Science is ace.
just taken the test Im 27% spriritual apparently
35% Advocate
Advocates are people who see themselves as the defenders of the world.
27% Spiritual
When you’re an archetypally spiritual guy it can be hard to stay quiet all the time.
18% Intellectual
Some people live to eat. Intellectuals live to think.
hmmI then answered as 'another me'
and I got this
44% Spiritual
If you’re Spiritual, you are drawn to questions of faith and are concerned with consciousness.
18% Advocate
Advocates are passionate about causes, strongly principled and feel things deeply.
18% Intellectual
If you’re an Intellectual, you’re always seeking knowledge and wisdom.
There is something feeble and a little contemptible about a man who cannot face the perils of life without the help of comfortable myths.
classic Bertrand Russell
excuse me, but
a) many people do not truly face the perils of life....they have the luxory of modern lifestyle to veil the view of the full force of reality......i.e. it is often many times removed just on the telly.
b) my myths are not comfortable
Do not pretend to know me Bertrand Ruddell
Man is a credulous animal, and must believe something; in the absence of good grounds for belief, he will be satisfied with bad ones.
BOOM
he's got you there Creaky.
erm not at all .....with the following simple sentence your triumph evapourates
"Im not satisfied with bad ones"
any belief that's not based on evidence is a bad one
but many beliefs ARE based on evidence
not all aspects to life are proven to irrefutable degree, it doesn not make humans silly to base beliefs or courses of actions on probabilities based on some evidence, if we didnt then we would all be 'Mr Logic's and never leave our home or do anything....some animals have evolved by being able to make decisions based on probabilities that have stood them well, things do not have to be irreffutably proven by evidence to a human authorities standard to be true.
To deny something that is, just because you cannot be satisfied with evidence contained in paperwork is also insane.
I know this to be true.....Once went into a benefits office. And was told that I did not exist in either the employed, nor the unemployed files.....that I did not exist in the place where I lived according to them.....I offered my own self as evidence that I did exist there, and evidence of my address......apparently I still did not exist, my suggestion that they must be mad arguing with something that was non existant did not seem to help matters. I have never fitted into forms or the classifications that others seemed to.....which is probably why I am so awkward with everything
should have probably qualified "evidence"
as meaning the probability that something is true
and replaced "bad" with...something else
for chrissake don't set him off Bertrand
Maybe he has an overwhelming need to believe in something
because there's something?
I am not satisfied with bad ones
nor was madam curie or any number of scientiets or physicists or chemists who thought there was something 'else'. some things have properties that are awaiting discovery, I am not an experimental physicist or chemists.
Imagine ancient humans who dug around in rocks and found fossils
perhaps finding a pteranadon of some sort and evidence of eggs, WHY, in the absence of a body of steps of scientific understanding, would it be illogical to name such things as dragons and fancy about how they might have lived or acted or what they were......
WHY if ancient humans were aware, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the high and and low tides were in direct correspondance with the phases of the moon, and those zones of the seashore are very interesting, from a biological point of view.......why is is superstitious or illogical of them to suggest all sorts of back story to the phases of the moon? They know there MUST be a linkage, but they do not have the methods to establish them, they do not have the tools or the instruments or the unified education that enables explanation in a supposed logical manner.
Surely suppositions to fill in the possible back story when further exact determination is not currently possible is no different to theoretical OUT there partical physics,,,,,,until proven they are just fanciful explanations ot hypothesis.
Animism is not unscientific per se.......e.g.
Some people believe everything has more to it
some sort of spirit
Others just see a rock
and yet
those people who believe there is more to it
(because they have different properties)
are the discoverers, they are the ones who crush rocks up and do stuff with them
to try to bring out the different spirit of the rock
to reveal it so that they can better understand its nature
thus smelters/metal working becomes possible, making alloys, dynamite diamond drills
Madam Curie didnt exactly know what was in her pitch blend, but she knew there was something different about it and continued to use methods to understand it better
Some humans can be stupid and continue to support the stories that were merely stopgap fill ins untill we had a method to explain the gaps better......that is an entirely different thing
Belief can be that there is always something else to discover.
Curiosity in the unknown and the belief that there is always something that is unknown is what drives human scientific enquiry
Curiosity in the uinseen/unknown/unexpolained is humans muse... an aspect of our spirituality.
Just because some people who hate changing have decided to say that their words and beliefs are immutable and have then aligned themselves with the power base and persecuted others in the name of supposed spirituality, does not diminish the value of spiritual exploration and development
Trolled by Bertrand Russell
nice
but im easily trolled
I go off ranting at the drop of a hat, I thought everyone knew that by now
The thing that annoys me most about science fanboys
as in, not scientists but people who worship at the alter of Horizon documentaries and Brian Coxface is the utter belief that we know everything.
Like I was having an argument with a mate in the pub about aliens. He said we've never been visited by them as it's "impossible to travel that far".
When I suggested that - sure we might not have been visited - but it might well be possible he said "it's against the theory of relativity" as if that was some set in stone rule that we've nailed.
When I suggested we yet even apply this theory to quantum physics, he was like "yeah, but it's still impossible to travel faster than light".
What a tit. As if in 1000 years science isn't going to change at all. At the beginning of 20th century we didn't think there was anything smaller than an atom. Twat.
that just sounds like a twat though
not a science twat
just sounds like someone talking in a pub about stuff
don't go to pubs or have mates if you don't like it
Good answer
Harsh but fair
Just got back from lunch
and the first thing I read was "Do not pretend to know me Bertrand Ruddell" and it's really cracked me up. Thanks Creaks
what on earth is this thread about?
I believe in evolution and science and all that.
Don't think there's a god or anything, and think that people who believe in books of randomly assembled fables and stories are idiots generally, but i don't think it does any harm thinking that, say, people who've passed away are still around you in spirit.
I pray now and then, not in a church or anything, just if i'm having a really shit day/time, just take five minutes to have a little word with people upstairs (not in the above flat, like, y'know people i know who've died and that). Don't know if it does any good, but it certainly doesn't do any harm. Worked wonders when United were 8 points clear last season anyway.
what about Derek Acorah?
that's some harm right there pal.
And fortune tellers conning vulnerable people out of cash
so they can talk to their dead grannies.
this has been a quick conversion!
and whether it does harm or not is irrelevant,
besides from being a weak argument for believing in things that aren't true
but I dont believe in stuff that isnt true
although I know who you are refering to exactly
and I totally agree with you on that sort of thing......it is very prevalent and does do harm.
Nah
I love me vodka and gin.
Don't care much for bourbon or whisky, though.
I am a spiritual person on a far deeper and more meaningful level than creakyknees
haven't got time to go into it right now though.
your clairevoyance and ability to see 'through the veil' is self evident
you are a seer (see-er)
of course there are some people on here that are much deeper than me
I just bang on about things a lot.
I would say that everyone on here is spiritual even if they dont self identify with that (DD to thread), but thats because I think that mostly spirituality is identified with some deeply unspiritual doctrines
I think if you were to stop talking(/typing)
and just looked and listened then you might be able to see with the same clarity that I can see.
tru dat
problem is im an office.
and my workstation is taking ages over various tasks
I always assume 'spiritual but not religious'
is shorthand for 'gullible idiot who rejects unprovable stuff that people have believed for years as an act of faith but is happy to believe some vague, meaningless crap someone made up about fifteen years ago as an act of faith instead'.
Not a fan.
:(
does the sun in the spring brighten your spirits?
Dont beautiful sunsets make you look at them for a long time.
Dont you think waterfalls are ridiculously beautiful things?
Arnt rivers exciting?
Arnt the woods peaceful?
I dont believe you.
All of those things have absolutely fuck-all to do with being spiritual.
You can believe nature is nice without inventing a load of mumbo-jumbo bullshit and silly beliefs to accompany it.
but I havnt invented any silly beliefs to go with it
or mumbo jumbo
Then you're not spiritual.
Problem solved.
Oh OK then :)
perhaps my concept of "spiritual" is completely different to yours
people often end up at cross purposes when they just have different definitions of words in their heads
Not all definitions of words are equally valid, you know.
I can't just start calling a table a warbersnatch and expect everyone to work with me on that.
no, you are right (squirrels away warbersnatch hoping he can use it to some humerous effect in a later thread....but no one will remember)
I have looked briefly as definition in wiki
The term spirituality lacks a definitive definition,[1][2] although social scientists have defined spirituality as the search for "the sacred," where "the sacred" is broadly defined as that which is set apart from the ordinary and worthy of veneration.[3]
The use of the term "spirituality" has changed throughout the ages.[4] In modern times spirituality is often separated from religion,[5] and connotes a blend of humanistic psychology with mystical and esoteric traditions and eastern religions aimed at personal well-being and personal development.[6]
The notion of "spiritual experience" plays an important role in modern spirituality, but has a relatively recent origin.[7]
now If we go by what social scientists define it as
then I would assume that waterfalls seem to be less ordinary than ferraris.
I would suggest that many of them should not be interferred with at all. i.e. they should be regarded as being sacred, sacrosanct.......that they should be exempt from normal human society economic activity.......the same should be applied to ancient woodland, and or very very old trees.
Because they are not really replacable in our timescale.
So you can have a concept of sacred and yet it can be entirely sensible.
Waterfalls: water falling from a height. Utterly ordinary.
Why being spiritual is mocked but religion is respected
I have no idea.
I think if you have a belief in God or something then it's subscribing to an actual religion that's the madness.
we'll get to that later....
*at
no
I would probably define myself as an agnostic
but I like elements of many different religions and I'd say my morals are quite influenced by various Abrahamic religions but I wouldn't say I had a solid belief in monotheism.
oh you're THAT guy
can I sit somewhere else please?
:-D
fair enough
Me - I'm spiritual
Been meditating for over 10 years, going further and further and... its fucking mindblowing! Helped me in so many ways... changed and still changing my life. I suffered from a serious illness for a number of years and I've cured myself with the grounding I've had, the knowledge of how the mind works and how to CONTROL your mind and thus your world and how to not let it control you. Got a new and profound sense of peace around my life, performing better in almost all daily aspects, and enjoying every little bit of this wonderful experience we have.
I would say to moker - follow it, the books, the meditating, your instincts because its WIN WIN WIN all the way and leads to you gliding effortlessly through life and becoming a more noble and virtous person who thinks of others rather than himself, so what's not to like?
It really can make a huge difference.
A long term illness
first got me into it too.
Thanks dude. Glad you get where I'm coming from. This has kinda motivated me to start again.
Might re-introduce it again starting with this 21 day free course:
https://www.chopracentermeditation.com/Bestsellers/LandingPage.aspx?BookId=178
Also
I have no idea what spiritualism or being spiritual is, I don't think anyone does. Although I used the term earlier, it's just a lazy brand. The stuff I've learnt has been life skills/knowledge. Interesting and valuable.
sounds pretty good
Right, I'm off to cleanse my chakras.
Who else wants to come?
would you like me to help your kundalini rise?
I don't have a baking tin.
:D
:D
fucking DiS
Hi, bye
I like watching alan watts videos on youtube
and I want to get into meditation at some point. so iv got an interest but I couldn't claim to be spiritual
well i believe in god
and the only thing that scares me is kaiser soze
I don't believe in ghosts
(I'd rather have a piece of toast)
vague spirituality annoys me way more than religious spirituality
just when people say stuff like "everything happens for a reason" and they do yoga* and talk about their spirit and energy. this bullshit hasn't been handed down to you through generations of beliefs, it's just some stuff you saw on tv once, there's no excuse. NO EXCUSE.
*ain't got no beef with yoga, it's rad.
Can't be fucked reading the thread.
But the answer to every single question posted on here that starts 'Am I the only one...' is 'no'.
Modern spirituality usually seems to be a band-aid on a stab wound.
The truth is deeper than most are willing to go.
The world is full of hints that there is more going on than meets the eye. Some people are more interested in these hints than others. But vague spirituality is a good way to partly satisfy this desire without ever having to come to terms with the pain of our situation as a bunch of fist-shakers.
Some enjoy shaking a fist at God from the get-go.
Others enjoy shaking a fist at God by creating a religion that makes them feel good but ignores Him.
Still others, like me as a kid, shake that fist on the inside while playing by the rules on the outside. Turns out, He can still see that, which is more or less the realization that pushed me to deal with God on His own terms.
So I don't like to use the word 'spiritual' of myself b/c of modern connotations. Thanks for making this thread, moker - it's nice to discuss a deeper issue once in a while.
Starting to learn meditation and some mindfulness exercises is on my list
I'm strongly atheist and not at all spiritual, what does clearing your mind etc have to do with believing in higher powers or similar?
I thought "spiritual" people blubbed all the time?
I think I am kind of spiritul
which ultimatle means ''doesn't subscribe to a religion but scared of dying'' really doesn't it?
But I def believe I/we have a soul. And from people I've spoken to who have seen people die and the change that happens at death I really do believe that.
Tell me more of this 'change that happens at death'?
Genuine interest.
only feel spiritual when I have some mushrooms
outside, feels good
man