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but the idea that it's just as easy getting around on public transport as it is to walk outside your door, jump in your own car and drive directly to where you want to get to is guff
it's exactly the same
The bus stops a minute from my house and goes to my work. The tram stops across the road and goes all over the city centre, plus to my parents' house. Missing the bit where this is absolute bollocks so far
in that there's some form of public transport that goes all over the city centre, and it's possible for folk to get to work/their parents but i'd wager that you're in the minority if it's as convenient for you to use public transport than to drive yourself
it's certainly absolutely bollocks as far as glasgow goes
and still don't need one for oxford
"The idea that you "have" to own a car, especially if you live in a city, is all in the mind"
and the headline says *a* city. The Guardian assumes all their readers live in London anyway, so they tend to merge those two ideas into one.
I live in London now, and I really miss having a car.
Obviously you can do it in other cities (in a way you can't in the countryside) but it's a real hassle. In Birmingham the bus routes are arranged in a wheel-type shape, so you can get in and out of the city centre, and do an inner and outer circle round the edge. But you can't get across the city, or between two suburbs, without it taking forever. My journey to work used to take 40 minutes on bus and walking, and 10 in a car.
but i couldn't imagine the monumental ballache it'd be getting to see some of the amazing countryside that's only about 30mins outside of glasgow on public transport
like an old Fatboy Slim song
There's a reason people refer to the bus as a peasant wagon...
You fucking retract that bit about my cunt fucking kids
I literally just watched that scene as I scanned over this thread and read your post.
When I was a teenager I was pretty pathetic regarding stuff like that, most teenagers are pricks but not cunts.
I'd be stuck without my car.
I live in a big city but I'll keep my car despite the high costs as I would much prefer not to sit on a foul smelling tin can and have a random cretin come sit next to me
Reduces the chances of a random cretin sitting next to me too.
but I agree
I have driven it:
1. to get MOt-ed last Feb
2. to woverhampton to watch a man city game and evan dando.
I have not used it v much at all, although it has been handy for friends.
I think if you likve in zone 1/2, you probalby don't need a car. If you live in central manchester or slapbang in the cuty in glasgow or edinburgh, you could easily get away with it. But anything out of the nucleus an dI agree with you. I love cars, the planet-ruining little bastards. THey are fun to drive to the highlands/ cotswalds etc.
it's fucking magic being able to just bugger off up to one of the lochs when it's a nice day
even when you are wearing your best jumper. i was just trying to be friendly. nevermind.
elderly people carrier
elderly people carrier
but driving is SUPER FUN. Like a computer game! Driving on the motorway is especially brilliant. Or through the countryside with flickery lights through the trees listening to Teenage Fanclub in the summer.
I don't really like being in cars. I just feel really really unsafe. I think it's because I have a sneaky suspicion that anyone who wants to drive around at high speed in a flimsy piece of mental is probably a little bit crazy.
genuinely terrifying. He learnt to fly before he passed his driving test. And his motto is that you have to drive like everyone else on the road is trying to kill you. Only it seems that he feels that attack is the best form of defence.
I also used to suffer from really bad motion sickness which was the worst in cars. Something about the smell they have and how low they are to the road, occasionally still get it
I started learning to drive but I found it really terrifying because of the loony things everyone else does. My dad was right, everyone is trying to kill you.
i LOVE it when I get these references.
It's great for trips to Costco and castles. Going to sell it soon though as it's too expensive and I don't really use it all during the week.
actually that does bug me. carpool, people. carpool. if it's not convenient, suckit. i'm not having you fuck the world up for the sake of making you feel better about your two and a half inch penis
you're pretty metal, brusma. I like you
...seem to live remarkably similar lives to those who own a car. Therefore I'm going to go with, you probably don't need to own a car.
Well, I did without one for 30 years but carting guitars and amps on trains and buses and getting 4 forms of transport back home on a weork night with all your equipment when it's raining and gone midnight is a fucking pain.
So that bitch can stick her no car rule up her anus until she's done that shit for a decade THE FUCKING TWATFACTORY.
just means you're a lazy slob
you try it. The Fender Twin is 30kilos.
try lugging that about with a guitar and a pedal box over buses and trains.
Or rather what the fuck are you doing with a Fender Twin? Hot Rod Deluxe is 20 Kilos and louder than any venue needs.
It's an estate so has plenty of room for equipment. My old band comfortably fit in it on our M4 tour. 3 months tax left, 9 months MOT. Electric windows, cup holder, the works. Yours for £600.
from mine by walking or bus I used to be able to get to any area of the city (apart from Newburn and Gosforth) in half an hour.
than people who live in the sticks?
that would be just silly we already pay enough thanks maybe pedestrians and cyclists should get charged instead
Those bastards at HMRC.
let's be friends
Don't want it to change mind, £20 a year will do me fine...
But again - if your car is more economical, you pay less
Oh I only read the title
and the only time i take my car anywhere is to work and to the shops, and even then I could easily take the train. In fact, I'm getting a Zonecard this very weekend.
Glasgow's incredible for public transport. Shit tonnes of railway stations and buses!
also even without comparing it to other major cities the subway is shite
i spent an afternoon wanderin about on a £1.70 discovery ticket once. got off at all the stops. did you know that you can stand above the M8 if you get off a kinning park?
the railway's incredible though.
The bf does and obv it's useful for doing big shops and moving house and being driven places when you're lazy and going out in to the countryside, but none of that is essential.
- unless you have kids
- unless you're disabled
- unless you need a vehicle to do your job
- unless you're so racist that you have to live way out in the suburbs,
there's really no need to have a car in London.
plus, as someone who grew up 20 miles away from Swindon, we view it as a heaving multicultural metropolis. It's got mosques and temples! And, er, Jahmene Douglas!
It was a stop on the way home from Plymouth to London to fill up the car. I decided to get out to stretch the legs and buy a drink.
The petrol station shop was probably the most depressing place I have ever been to, and I've been to Luton, Slough and Crewe. The only things in the shop (bar the assistant who looked on the verge of tears) were a single kit kat and about 400 grumble mags.
Would visit again.
like a floating asteroid made entirely of suburb to me
so I'll give you that. It has got a crappy town centre in the middle of all the out of town shopping centres though.
that I've only stayed in the suburbs when I've been there. No exaggeration, living there is pretty much my actual idea of hell.
(because LOADS of public sector companies seem to be moving there) then you could live in idyllic countryside about 10 minutes away. But then you really would have to have a car.
*has panic attack*
if you'd moved from London, you could sell a two bedroom flat with no outside space, and buy a 3-5 bedroom cottage with a massive garden.
and it irks me marckee, it irks me something rotten.
THEN he's joking.
also, you know, it's inconvenient to try and get anywhere other than a five mile radius.
can't afford lessons and a test, let alone pay for a car. i know if i had one i'd be motivated to use it and go more places and see more stuff but there's someting scary about your driving skills or lack thereof being repsonsible for a vehicle, your own life and the lives of others.
It's cheaper and easier than owning a car I think. Just hire it when you need via a phone app. £6 an hour. Parked on my street.
I think it's certainly true that people probably use their cars more than they need because they have one and it's costing them a flat rate in any case.
As a non-driver I can say there is a way around driving but it does sometimes necessitate a bit of organisation with a cab, etc.
Cars certainly make life easier for a lot of situations but that's not the same as a necessity, which seems to be how Fitzcarraldo is seeing it up above. Specifically in any city, there should be less of a need for one. Smaller cities don't have much in the way of great bus routes but they tend to be small enough that you could walk most places.
But other than that, I'd struggle.
Nottingham has the problem a lot of cities has- the transport tends to all head into the centre, so getting from one area to another is difficult.
Getting to and from gigs isn't really a goer with all the equipment, and getting to rehearsals would be a pain due to the aforementioned lack of radial transport routes. (That and we tend to finish after 11pm when most buses are sporadic.)
Shopping is a pain too, don't fancy walking back from the supermarket with a load of bags, let alone buying household or garden stuff. (B&Qs etc tend to be a bit out of town.)
Weekends away would be compromised too, limited a lot more- for example going away to the Peak District the other week, having a car means we could run on our own schedule and go where we wanted, rather than planning a transport route.
live in sheffield and don't need a car
You can drive out into the Peaks whenever you want. Extra good in summer.
Drive all the way to Castleton to have fish and chips only to find out the fish and chip shop is closed so you have to drive all the way home again and don't get your tea until after 9pm.
you can catch a bus too
But if I did I'd like the idea of owning one of those old, long wheelbase, battered-looking land rovers.
a guy in my building in Houston had one. he fucking hated it hahah
it's like driving a set of dental braces around
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_Vue is not as bad but still shit
NEVER AGAIN. So glad I learnt to drive.
I live in zone 2 now (used to live in zone 6/essex) and like fuck am I driving here. I have no where to go with my car. I live within a 15 minute walk of a big super market and I don't have any children. The lady opposite us has a mini but she has a child so I understand. She also works outside of london.
but parking is an absolute nightmare. However, avoiding buses full of people vomiting and pissing all over themselves is worth the hassle. Public transport is also ridiculously unreliable out here. When I'm stuck in a bad neighborhood, I like knowing I have my own way home instead of waiting on a bus or train.
When I first moved here I didn't have my car but after far too many bad experiences waiting hours for cabs and feeling threatened on MUNI I decided to bring my car from my parents' house.
Recently almost got car jacked at a red light, so I'm really learning that I can't win.
...and it's been about a 50/50 split as to when I have and haven't had a car. I find it one of the more public transport friendly cities out west, although I suspect I am probably oblivious to the dangerous areas/times (with a big 'TOURIST - mug here' sign on me).
...more about the attempted car jacking please. I've told my own car jacking story on here several times.
a lot of it has a really menacing quality at night
might just be me, though. i don't really like east london at night but most people are fine with it.
The police turn a blind eye to the obvious drug deals, prostitution, etc. The rest of the neighborhoods aren't so bad but of course there's a lot of spillover. Having a car here sucks in many ways because it's almost a guarantee that you'll have it broken into regularly.
Guntrip is totally right. SF is a bit of a free for all. Anything goes here which in some ways is cool but in other ways makes me really pine for the hard ass mentality of the Northeast.
So the car jacking story. I had gone out with some friends in the Tenderloin (bad idea). I parked my car in front of a really seedy SRO but miraculously it was untouched when I returned to it. This was only about 10PM. I got in my car and started heading towards Market Street. I was sitting at a red light when I notice the guys in the car next to me laughing and pointing at me. Then, they get out and start encircling my car. I made sure no one was coming and floored it. They may have just been fucking with me but it scared me enough to get the fuck out of the Tenderloin.
I hate downtown San Francisco so much. For the insane rent I pay here, it's really not worth it. I want to go back to Boston :(
Haven't had a car for more than twenty years.
public transport is the future
death to the motorcar
But it makes me sad that I can't go to some of my favourite places in the world. Probably good, cos I'd just fuck off and sleep in my car in nice places all the time.
then realised I don't really care about any of this.