In a world where CGI is a thing of the past...
Might well happen. Loads of visual effects companies are closing, including the one that won an oscar for $500m box office smash hit Life of Pi.
Imagine if films had to start using miniatures and models again because there were no digital effects companies (or good ones anyway) left. It would be great right (apart from my housemate losing his job)?!
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IMAGINE!
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Half the time it looks bollocks anyway
I disagree with that completely.
Example
http://youtu.be/PiTSyZbIjAg - Pish Stop animation Skeleton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynAUZSN7lko - Amazing CGI Skeleton (and pretty funny as well as a bonus)
to me, that proved the opposite of what I think you were trying to
the stop motion one was wicked - all awkward moving like you'd imagine a reanimated skeleton would move if that were a possible thing
Em...no. Surely a skeleton would be more realistic (and it is) when it is
smooth at walking. The stop motion one would only be realistic if when it was alive (human) it cacked itself before dying and cant remember how to walk when it has come back to life in the 'normal' way (i.e. Not walking like he/she has cacked itself)
Also the rapping CGI skeleton is more up-to-date and cool as it can rap and the stop motion one is living in the past with that sword.
DO U EVEN COMPRESS M8 guy wants his trolling style back
Cool
That CGI skeleton is all shades of cock
Looks like a fucking computer game. That stop-motion skeleton is an actual fucking skeleton and it's well creepy.
CGI is shit. At least, in the wrong hands. LOTR looked so good as they made loads of fucking massive models of shit.
Yes but my point is that that (amazing) CGI Skeleton was made by one person in probably 15 minutes
Those (old fashioned/non-cool) Stop motion ones probably took those people 30 days to do.
Imagine if the Up-to-Date Great CGI Skeleton had 30 days of work to it, it would literally take all of our breaths away and it makes me a bit overwhelmed just the thought of how amazing it would be. (The fact the guy came up with such a good rap in that short period of time is just truly amazing as well)
OK
but I still reckon models are the way forward. CGI should be kept to a minimal. Like foreign football players in league football.
The CGI in LOTR is shit too
Well that kinda backs up my point
But the bits like Helms Deep and Gondor looked great as they were fuck off huge models.
Em...not sure about that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AvJUdJ1oFg
you are visually illiterate
sorry :(
But I can see you are a cunt
well played
The second one-bit racist.
That's rich
I think it's reached a peak.
Now Hollywood is outsourcing to the cheapest companies it's only going to get worse before it (hopefully?) disappears forever.
dunno
I've not seen anything look better than Jurassic Park. Fucking Avatar looks a bag of wank
What crap
That Spielberg Tintin movie looked properly spectacular.
fuck offffff
I thought it looked like Tintin.
It didn't look 'realistic' but then last time I checked, neither did Tintin.
I'm not arguing with that
It's still fucking horrible to look at though
^ this.
Smacked of the Uncanny Valley.
Oh and 0 replies.
This is more of a told-you-so thread to look back on in 5 years when people are asking why they can see the strings on the x-wings in Star Wars 9.
I've still got one of the original toy ones i got from Care & Share when i was younger
if they need to borrow some for a big battle
they can do cgi on computers now?
Hi CG!
great. would mean no more train wrecks like Jurassic Farce
The best dino action in JP was non-cgi
Yes but thats like saying at least my dog dirt sandwich never came with a side of worms
^ DinoMAN's back!
You'll need proof of that.
(Is this like there being no drums on Creep?)
The raptors in the kitchen were men in suits.
And the t-rex chasing the jeep was just a bunch of cats stapled together.
:D
that's Smells Like Teen Spirit you dunce
You're no JohnM. :(
prolly just means people will have to be a bit more conservative
when commissioning films. it's such and expensive an time consuming way to make a film.
But what about the hyper-realistic CGI child porn?
Cornerstone of the industry so should be safe
along with talking dogs on adverts and digitally erasing black people from the background of films shot in London.
Thank god for that
Imagine if they had to employ someone to shoo away the black people!
Also drawing digital bras unto the characters in Showgirls,
for TV broadcast in the States.
yeah actually
can people make that? if they just drew pictures of it instead, is that illegal?
Most US TV uses CGI all over the place, doesn't it?
There's some YouTube showing you loads of clips from US TV shows where they just green screen whole locations elsewhere in the US that they could have flown to.
I don't really get the tone of this thread. CGI is just the same as physical effects: use it well and you barely register it. I don't think Jurassic Park could have ever been as good with just physical effects, nor T2. I don't think Inception looked like a mess of bad CGI. If computer effects companies are going out of business then that's odd and just implies that pretty soon they'll be able to charge a shed load more for their work as people realise they can't make films as good any more.
Most CGI looks shit though
usually it seems the mentality of 'that'll do' creeps in
I would counter that most film effects look shit.
But there's not a lot you can do about that since it's always going to come down to time, money, the filmmakers and a certain amount of luck too.
We live in a world where the likes of Michael Bay and Paul W.S. Anderson are regularly asked to make films. In the case of Paul W.S. Anderson the greatest driver for them is supposedly that he delivers a film on time and on budget. If that's the sort of thing that Hollywood moguls respect most in a director you can see why everything else would suffer.
Basically we look back on old, classic films with physical effects and say how amazing they look. Or we just let a classic film get away with something that's pretty stupid, like the final face melting bit of Raiders.
do you remember that bit on Friends where they 'CGI-ed' that cowboy spraying aftershave in to that old man's face?
I do and I'm 29 years old
That was CGI?
What, they weren't allowed to spray water in some cunt actor's face?
CUNT!
Actually the VFX scenes are almost always better than the actual film as a whole
because they are made by FX guys/animators who are, unlike most hollywood directors, able to actually direct and have any idea about how to visually tell a story
in horror its quite common for
guys like tom savini and greg nicoterro to direct the special effect sequences (physical and cgi) themselves and leave the rest of the film to the actual director whose sequences often aren't so good.
As Theo says, loads of network TV shows now use bags of CGI/green screen.
It's actually cheaper than filming it 'live'.
http://www.holymoly.com/celebrity-news/random/green-screen-reveal42339
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTUs7hDq2PA
http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/social/4212326
Hmm... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjhBf4vlTw0
"because there were no digital effects companies (or good ones anyway) left"
they;ll just use bad ones
*Would* they though?
Or will they get to the point where yer Spielbergs and Abramses will be like "Chaps, I think we can do this better if we made this shit with our bare hands"?
Spielberg made War of the Worlds and Minority Report with physical effects?
Eh? I didn't say that.
I'm talking about a hypothetical future here Theo!
As in
directors who are reliant on the very best in CGI become dissatisfied with it and return to more old fashioned methods.
I see.
I thought you were hailing them as guys who specifically still like physical effects if possible.
I basically don't agree with your blanket love of physical effects and dislike of CGI comes from. It's a bit like being one of those people who thinks analogue recording and playback mediums are always better.
I don't think anyone could argue against a bit less shoddy and obvious CGI in some films. Probably there's loads of CGI none of us have noticed, precisely because it's been done so well.
Nah I appreciate CGI when it's done well
but I think the film industry would be better if studios had to be way more discerning about whether it was practical to use it over more traditional techniques or not. So many films and tv shows are ruined by completely unnecessary cgi. That's not to say there isn't need for it though e.g. I wouldn't expect the makers of Game of Thrones to actually build all those ridiculous castles.
As a fan of sci-fi I flat out disagree.
Until CGI came along and became vaguely cheap Return of the Jedi pretty much marked the last time we'd really seen that sort of of sci-fi. Okay, I'll give you some Star Trek films. But most ended up like Battle of the Planets, with piss-poor effects or good effects used sparingly because there simply wasn't the budget to achieve anything like that.
Nowadays someone can make a crazy sci-fi film. It may be shite but then so is 90% of the stuff made anyway, regardless of genre. The difference now is that someone can try to produce something like Raiders of the Lost Ark without having to be a multi-billionaire fat-necked nutcase.
So, yeah, I think it's bloody excellent the technology is out there, that we can honestly have seen a good attempt at Lord of the Rings. That we can have a Game of Thrones TV show that doesn't look like a Blackadder series 1... Condemning it because of some shit stuff is as stupid as condemning stop motion based on Ray Harry Hausen's worst work.
Also, I'm a big fan of all the physical effects that made Star Trek look so good.
lens flare?
unironic ^this
won't the good effects artists just get 'in house' jobs
go freelance or form new companies?
A friend posted this image macro on facebook
totally unsuccessful because i'd prefer to watch the second one ANY DAY
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/734982_10151258933251651_1090135680_n.jpg
Fix the ropey effects.
Basically, firms are paying too much for this sort of work.
I'd imagine a lot of business moving to China - they love a bit of tech, and are hardworking at a fraction of the cost.