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A lot of people think that having children is a symbol of success. I guess it is in some ways. Do you think so too?
succefully banging member of opposite sex- yes
successfully being at point in your life where it's a more attracticve optoin than termination - I guess, depending on your life priorities.
I don't think having kids makes you necessarily more successful per se thought.
(I am not a scientist, i think we all know this.)
I'd put it above making a tuna pie with no instructions, but just below completing icewind dale without ever saving
that last one would be impossible once you got into the lizardman caves
I've never even baked a tuna pie either
I got into a big discussion about people saying that giving birth was an achievement. I wasn't strictly saying it was/wasn't but just questioning the idea as really it is a biological function and to me rearing a child is worthy of more praise. Not that I don't think a woman doesn't deserve a "shit, well done" for the ordeal, just that plonking out a sprog isn't the thing to congratulate.
I'm not a shit btw, honest.
What ytou say is by and large true- it's a function that our bodies are designed to do, unlike, eg going into space. However, even until relatively recently a huge number of women (and infants) died in childbirth. It is a dangerous passtime, painful and hormonakly one of the most stressful things a woman (and by proxy he partner) can ever go through. You are really a bit of an arse if you can't fathom this.
and have perhaps presented and my overall opinion, and the overall discussion, in far too simple a way.
thankfully endorphons and the brian's ability to forget make it somethign that most people can cope with. But not everybody gets away ok. Do I have to tell the story again about my friend's twin exhaust pipe scenario after her fourth degree tear she sustained squeezed out number 3 was stitched up all wrong?
YOU FUCKING DIDNT HAVE TO
actually giving birth, over actually rearing the child well, and how the "you're so ace for having a child!" praise peters out and little is given for the rearing despite that being the absolute most important part of it all, as far as I can tell.
And no, not everyone gets out OK and the discussion also focused on the potential that some (not I) may feel a caesarean is less of an achievement due to the intervention/the idea of at home natural birthing often seen as superior or the ideal situation etc... so my original comment is probably utterly shit status but it wasn't really that black and white and my opinion is not wholly that of the above and i'm not really sure why I put it across so bluntly, probably because I want to go home.
I've not heard the story about your friend before but it sounds pretty horific and it all got sorted.
I should have put it all up front, but I am an idiot.
I guess it's a bit like being a soldier... I mean .. they shove you out there and you have no choice but to dodge the bullets and return fire when you can and you end up covered in a bloody, sticky mess but after the fighting dies down you scrub up and return home and everyone treats you like a hero.
I'll be using this quote in future.
It'd be an insult to any couple who is biologically incapable of having children to think otherwise. In my view.
and it's all planned, you living together and having a 'family' as such, then the following applies:
f you have managed to maintain a successful relationship with someone you like over an extended period of time, and mutually reach a point where having children is deemed as a positive step forward, of course you are successful- in your personal life.
I don't think anyone on here would disagree that actually forming that relationship is one of the hardest things to do on a social scale.
why not just be the animal you are and enjoy it?
-only successful if you both want to have children, which in this hypothetical situation is the case.
Basically if you achieve what you want, you are successful. If you don't want that thing, or it is not of relevance to you than it can't be marked with any level of success.
Just a personal achievement.
A lot of people think..
being successful is a symbol of success
It meant you have sex once.
Bringing them up without completely fucking them up is the achievement.
They fuck you up, your mum and your dad
This isn't what I think by the way. I just think a lot of people think like this.
but thats because they're great
which is why in tribes the king has many wives to produce many children.
thinly veiled "wife is due on Saturday" post
if my facebook becomes nothing but baby photos. Particularly if my profile pic is changed. I hate that
Have a snifter of gas n air if you get chance: it's good stuff
All the best for an easy delivery and safe arrival of mini_ravens xxx
I think general happiness with your life is a sing of success. It all depends on whether you want kids or not. Personal goals and that.
god im so glad i dont have kids, what a strain they would be. At least i can go and do stuff without any actual proper responsibility hanging round my neck...literally.
I DONT WANT NO KIDZ, THAT SHIT AINT GOOD FOR MA HEALTH
DONT WANT DA LITTLE KIDDIES HANGIN' ROUND MA NECK
I'D RATHER HAVE MA BLING YO, YEAH CHECK CHECK.
I CHECK THE TIME TABLE
WHERE MA FREAKIN' BUS AT
SO GLAD I CAN TRAVEL WITH OUT A RUGRAT.
Read what I said again.
'I guess it is in some ways'
So you are agreeing to a certain degree yes ?
That's pretty much the only point I agree with.
So I guess that would be a mixture of finance, stability & empathy.