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but, as i understand it, we can't be saying actress
i don't expect ANYONE to disagree with me in this thread - it's just obvious isn't it?
well I mean I had a small chuckle because obviously she's not a cunt, she's 9 years old.
I think its worse that some presenters were calling her Little Q because she couldn't be bothered to learn how to say her name.
I reckon about 13.
Me too, but i've never actually CALLED THEM OUT on it.
One does it behind their backs.
but you can't call them cunts til they hit puberty
I haven't watched that yet so don't know if I'm offended. This Tweet is gonna have to get to the back of the line, I'm afraid.
OMG HWO COULD THEY JOKES ABOUT SLEEPING WIHT A CHILD
I'm going to have to guess, aren't I?
but it made sense in the context of what they were doing so everyone should grow up about it really
the onion oscar coverage was taking the piss out of mainstream oscar coverage not bullying a little girl
and there were a worrying number of people who felt the need to post about how they were shocked - SHOCKED - that the Onion should feel the need to apologise for calling a child a cunt.
not really SHOCKED though
You know that apologising for something doesn't necessarily mean you are saying you're wrong. I mean, I think they were wrong but the idea that you shouldn't apologise in this sort of instance is a bit weird. It's clear it caused offence if none were meant. If I told a joke and it offended someone I'd say, "Sorry, no offence meant," not "Ha, fuck off. If you didn't find it funny then that's your problem". Maybe I just didn't grow up on 4chan like I presume most of the SHOCKED types did.
but I think it's only offensive if you take it at face value, and if you do that then you have taken it out of context. you shouldn't apologise for jokes taken out of context.
I don't know much about this particular instance but it seems like the people who were complaining weren't the intended audience for the joke anyway.
they shouldn't have to apologise for calling a little girl a cunt, because they did not do that. (only ostensibly)
I think apologising to anyone was offended by the joke would have been more appropriate.
I think there is a definite difference.
It's not about taking it at face value. It didn't have a context to take it in, unless that context was life in general, which everyone naturally read it in.
I don't think making your apology all mealy-mouthed and full of caveats is any good as an apology either. It's pretty obvious when you say sorry and you don't mean it. You should be fucking sorry that a joke you made didn't work since surely the point of a joke is to entertain people?
but also that perhaps it was the wrong medium.
I don't really buy the 'The wording of the joke has been reproduced many thousands of times more, and in more mainstream avenues, than it ever would have been, were it just a single tweet by an adult comedy publication.' angle. It was posted on Twitter, and everyone KNOWS how Twitter works...it's like a bushfire of controversy.
I get the intent of the joke but there's something that makes me uncomfortable with the whole thing of calling a 9 year-old a cunt, regardless of intent. I think the problem is, that article talks about how it's essentially easy for her parents/minders to explain away...but ultimately they shouldn't be forced into a position where they have to do that. Especially given how loaded the word 'cunt' is in America - it has much more unpleasant overtones in the States than it does over here.
Perez Hilton thought Brooke Hogan was actually married to Bully Ray Dudley on TNA Impact Wrestling
And that' the central thing that's wrong with it, if the point was to satirise the internet/society's way of employing vitriol to people who are absolutely undeserving of it than there is no better person than a 9-year-old girl to make that point but you fundamentally can't say that about a nine-year-old girl regardless of intent so it was an error.
unless they are really proper little cunts
which doesn't concern me.
The Onion's usually pretty funny, fwiw.
it's the sort of film where when my friends talk about it i feel like a fraud if i join in, so i just don't bother. like with wilco, japanese food and american politics
but the camera jerking around the whole time made my friend leave the cinema to be sick
if you have any thoughts on lethal weapon, kebabs or the pigeon detectives then i'd love to hear them
but I quite enjoyed some of the songs off their first album. They were fun to chant along to but ultimately not much more than that.
no opinion on the other two.
was at a turkish place in east berlin after seeing a jonsi from sigur ros solo show
this is far too much of a high brow kebab. i want to hear about one you had in london on a rainy october weekend
It was an amazing Kebab
as visit London (waaaaaaay)
and now people in India are burning effigies of Quvenzhané in the street for being such a horrible person :(
but in the US where cunt has a pretty different significance it seems a bit more OOOOOOH, EDGY in the vein of calling people faggots ironically
they get a bit tetchy about it
(hence it being more of a big deal when men get called cunts ala the Curb episode).
and they said they were just jealous of brits because we were just allowed to say 'cunt' whenever we felt like it. shortly after this they were all calling each other it like it was a new toy. weird
i think it's pretty obv that it's considered a *stronger* word in the US, but more than that the impression i get from american feminist-leaning media is that it's still got heavily misogynist overtones there, being generally reserved for women, so more akin to bitch or whore (but even stronger). the fact that it's not really gendered in UK usage means the joke really would just be 'ironically calling a super-nice person a dick' as described in the link john posted, rather than 'ironically calling a little girl a really vitriolic word reserved for despised women'
but if they had said whore (or faggot, or any other word reserved for specific groups of marginalised people) instead it would have been pretty definitively Not Cool, and assuming that's more the level it would be on for americans i can sympathise with the 'Not Cool' response
although saying *wot-a-bitch* about someone who's really nice is something i wouldn't think of as being a problem and is funny in the same way as the cunt comment is, even though i'm not a big fan of bitch being used as a serious insult.
go on, guess
Doesnt matter when you plopped out the womb
it seems like the Onion tweet was pretty much the least misogynistic part of the whole affair
I PROMISE I WILL NEVER CALL AN 8 YEAR OLD GIRL A CUNT AGAIN.
gonna go on the record as saying that a 9-year old...actress...called Quvenzhané...has every right to be a bit of a bawbag.