just having someone 'live' through the phone/computer screen simulation was much more haunting
cos halfway through I was a bit disturbed
Not going to say much more cos I don't want my cyberdeadguy to be too accurate.
my Big Break-up was with a girl who had to move back to the States after her visa expired that I found the first half so much more affecting - having your mobile become, essentially, that person.
at one point I thought rather than see the robot it would be like that episode of Buffy where Dawn brings their mother back to life and just as the reanimated corpse is about to reach the house they realise what a terrible thing it would be and end the spell so the mother never returns (I think this might have been based on a Stephen King or Ray Bradbury story but can't think which)
mind ye the phone bit was just a bit more realistic wasn't it, I mean I don't know how the robot thing would actually pan out irl but I don't think it would've been like that one.
and you shouldn't put Big Break-up like that, people will think of some sort of snooker break-up
i'm ordering a robot
many horror and moral tales follow this, but it in itself also has many predecessors.
There is this idea that there are about a dozen storey types that we know have probably existed since before we can trace writing. And this one is basically "Be Careful what you wish for"
was this back on tonight? totally forgot
Ray Bradbury or Kurt Vonnegut might have written, maybe Philip K Dick too
Best bit was when Fat Arms came over.
did think it would have been a bit more believable if the reanimated version of the guy was a bit more human. surely if they'd gone to all that length, he'd surely have normal human-like bodily actions (and wants and needs)? also, his dialogue was way more normal when he was on the phone than when he was in real life. but obviously this is on purpose because otherwise it wouldn't really have worked.
But I am seriously regretting applying for physics and not maths
Meant to be in the university course thread.
if only there was a thread about university degrees you could talk about this in
*runs far, far away*
But I'd be lying if I said there wasn't part of me that is tempted to sign up, just to see what AI me would tweet. But no.
won't it be like an automated, presumably more sophisticated, creepier version of something like this?
*Bows head, am enjoying attacking a man kill mother, goes wild and I can I?
a whois reveals the domain was registered by someone on this domain: http://www.leanmeanfightingmachine.co.uk, who really look like a marketing agency.
but was obviously hugely creeped out by it. Thought some of the acting was a bit off maybe, too.
Definitely got a bit weaker once roboman turned up. Bit of inconsistency in her reaction to him doing what she wanted him to do. Eg, him breathing in bed caused her to go mental, but when she told him on the cliff that real Ash would be begging not to jump, then he started begging, she relented and let him not go.
Quite liked the reference back to the pictures going into the attic once they died at the end.
because when it was obviously a robot she was completely freaked out by it but when acting most like him it was too close to home, reminding her of the real bill weasley and reminding her that it wasn't him, he was gone and that hurt. she couldn't let go but at the same time she couldn't live with a shadow of her deceased partner.
might iplayer the hell out of it tonight
and nearly when mental doing it?
I'd forgotten how cunty the guys who set the thing up were. It's hard to tell if they're trolling him or they've vanished up their own arses completely. Not a great advertisement for academic work either way.
who was goading Ronson he complained to Twitter and then tweeted smug stuff about how us 'trolls' had been removed. Giant hypocrite arsehole.
and his whole concept of the Grain is something that pre-dates Black Mirror. It's by miles my favourte episode of it so far, so I think it could be good.
a grim retelling of a doctor who story
...I found this as vacuous as the phenomena it purports to represent. For the most part, it's tosh (although admittedly tosh that is pretty well done).
if so, YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
though I had thought they were the same person.
but, it was sad.
only with Laurie Penny instead of the doctor
also: you wouldn't fancy it cos it's not the real man's body you know, plastic or something
But it tied up really well and was properly gripping and affecting
I mean I don't necessarily think it's a profound vision of the future (and I'm not even sure if it's supposed to be) but it made for an immensely creepy thriller...
Do you reckon Daily Mail Island was partial inspiration?
rather than grand prophecising which is a good format for it I think.
has seriously upped its game for this series.
This is traumatising tv.
But in a good way, obvs.
Properly good though. Well done Charlie Brooker.
'We should do that to murderers' on facebook and twitter is a bit worrying isn't it?
but then I'm not friends with the sort of people who were sharing john venebles photo the other day
Luckily all of the people I follow who have talked about it are DiSsers.
For a moment, I thought it was just going to be a really intense You Me Bum Bum Train thing but then it gone even darker.
I thought it was ok at best.
i.e. an intelligently written, modern British update of The Twilight Zone. Which would be absolutely amazing. I just don't feel like this is quite it :(
Until perusing the wiki hasn't realised how much the Chinese love this show!
but it was a bit of a slog, far too much screaming/gulping for air throughout too, got annoying
it kind of fell between two stools because if it was shorter it would have been a bit 'so what' but i'm not sure if the story had the legs to go 90 minutes to really flesh out the world it was in before the twist.
was horrendous. As in good, but freaked the shit out of me.
as the series go on its getting to be one of the few (if any?) modern things able to do the twilight zone style thing well.
there really are a lot - like properly loads - of people who are tweeting today that they didn't/don't understand what happened in the episode last night
i mean, i know i'm doing a phd and i'm general a pretty plugged in sort of guy but seriously it wasn't that hard to follow was it?
especially so during the credits
ITS RIGHT FUCKING THERE IN FRONT OF YOUR STUPID FACE
but apparently the teenagers of twitter didn't get this
Fucking people piss me off.
beneath all the good stuff I always feel like I'm getting a lecture from dad when I watch it.
it does seem like some folk think its basically the new 1984 or something when its more like the Twlight Zone or Tales of the Unexpected but all the morals are about modern media rather than being Hitler or whatever
my trouble with BM is that it always seems to be giving a lecture TO OUR SOCIETY AS A WHOLE INCLUDING YOU THE VIEWER, I thought Twilight Zone was more cruel twists of fate/hubris of individuals.
the moral of 'be careful what you wish for'
than Brooker's THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT, ISN'T IT?
Rod Serling had a pretty obvious moral core to his writing that's actually quite blunt at times. There were lots of anti-nuclear weapon stuff in there for example.
And then there was the episode where a guy starts gambling on a slot machine and then the slot machine started literally calling out to him and then it started stalking him until he went bankrupt and threw himself out of a window.
but they all seem to long and drawn out for the sake of it. If they where shorter they'd feel less flimsy to me. I get the same feeling with Utopia too but that bothers me less because it looks so damn ace and colourful like the best screen saver ever so it feels like less of a chore to zone in and out of than this.
which he was also in.
what White Bear attempted to do in an incredibly loud 45 minutes, and it did it so much better.
Fucking love Kill List.
and end up going:
its wheels! Spokes! Tyres! thats it Tyres... every damn time.
my Internet better not mess up right now, else I'll flip
but I didn't think it was one of the stronger ones. Mainly because the points it was making (society's thirst for voyeuristic vengeance, etc.) seemed more obvious and less insightful than last week's, which was genuinely very thought-provoking and unsettling. Plus the very extensive exposition in the end-credits took some of the impact away.
Bit music board maybe, but how do people rate the 5 episodes so far? I'd go with:
Be Right Back > The National Anthem > The Entire History Of You >>> 15 Million Merits = White Bear
15 Million Merits > White Bear > The National Anthem > The Entire History of You > Be Right Back
I do like all of them tho.
White Bear > The National Anthem > 15 Million Merits > Be Right Back > The Entire History Of You
the only one that's genuinely good and not just sorta-ok
I need to rewatch them all, to be honest. I've thought they were all great, though not without their flaws.
One of very few genuinely interesting and intelligent things on UK TV, right now, which is admirable.
white bear > brb >>>>>>>>> the national anthem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 15 million credits
the writing is much better than Brookers imo, and compared to BRB which is the most similair of Brookers episodes the dialogue's snappier and the narrative has more pace and goes in a more interesting direction. Then 15 Million Merits maybe just for its world and some of the smaller ideas in it, it seemed to have more detail than his others. Then BRB. Then White Bear and National Anthem, which were alright as thrillers but sort of clunky and expositional and had the tone of lame british TV more than the others.
The thing with Sugar Rush being a child-killer getting punished on an elaborate TV show.
I thought it was poor. Not dire, but far too thinly veiled in its political undertones. It was like a sixth form English student's story, complete with TWIST and predictable moral code.
A bit less swearing / violence and they would DEFINITELY show this in PSHE classes at schools. "What is the writer trying to say about society's attitude to criminals and the game-show culture obsession?" *every class in the hand goes up*
Very entertaining, so they've probably succeeded. But still, like a CBBC drama with swearing and violence. Quite clunky and characters quite 2D. Neither are that sophisticated really. But I do love watching them. Which I guess is the point.
I dont' come away thinking I've learnt something though.
How did she lose her memory?
when they were setting the house up with the pills and that
(Yeah, for a month, just remembered the calendar)
you can only see the current month. No idea how long it had been going on prior to that
are you on twitter?
Load of cock, basically
not exactly much good stuff on TV so may get over rated a bit.
Had high hopes for Utopia but that just gets worse by the week
is that the BT internet guy?
Or you on about someone else?
Yeah, this doesn't float my boat as much, I admit.
who was crying like a DiSer at the start
This is... pretty awful.
Not seen the BT ads.
I guess it had a lot to live up to after last week. Anyway. I found it really unbelievable that anyone would find Waldo funny. Also I wanted their relationship to go a bit further. Hmm.
I already know some people are berks
Really like White Bear last week, wasn't so sold on the one before. But then the first series was like that too with The Entire History Of You being the only real standout.
Made me laugh more than any of this series, but mainly cos of sly nods to what Brooker does.
But it left me a bit cold once it had finished, which is first time for the series.
has been weaker than the one before it
which is a shame
Basically just played through the synopsis of the episode without any real creativity. Would have been better if they'd started after the election and did how Waldo became the 'Deity' that he seems to be in the final credits.
I've watched it twice now and both times it's been preachy, unsubtle tripe.
I didn't know it had a 'mission' before I watched it and wish I'd been warned it had.
Ironically I'd like to see Charlie Brooker to into it because it would be very easy to do.
Why are people who didn't grow up with computers so obsessed and intrigued by social media? Just leave it ffs.
15 Million Credits (genuinely beautiful piece of TV) > The Entire History of Your > Be Right Back = White Bear > The National Anthem > The Waldo Moment
especially in which ones stuck in your mind. Still thinking about 15 million and entire history a year later.
what was the bit in the end credits that said, 'based on nathan barley'? was he supposed to be like an updated version of the preacher man? i know which one i'd prefer to watch again...
that involved an animated MP - around about the time Gorillaz were massive. Seems like he just ran with that.
Be Right Back and White Bear were good ideas kind of well done but ultimately a bit paper thing. The rest of them were veered between dull and utterly terrible. Last night's was probably the worse.
Waldo wasn't believably funny enough (though i didn't mind the actor who played the part).
The relationship was just a one night stand, so i didn't care about it.
Thought the boss guy wasn't a believably dickhead. Would have loved that to be played by Jonatton Yeah? from Nathan Barley.
Overall though, i liked it because i like the series.
good reactions etc?
Hamfisted 6th form shit.
he wasn't meant to be funny though? just populist and idiotic.
Thought it was reasonable entertainment, if not entirely thought through in places. Agree that Waldo was relatively weak, but still stronger than a lot of stuff on TV at the moment. Certainly a few interesting ideas.
For all of each show's faults, can't help but think that some of the criticism above's a bit strong, although given his history of ripping other things to shreds not necessarily undeserved.
Even if the last one was the weakest of the three (weakest of the six, imho), it was still better than anything else on the telly
it was much better than nearly everything else on TV at the moment (save for the Penguin programme and Person of Interest).
Best 2 have been The National Anthem and White Bear
National Anthem > White Bear = Entire History of You > Be Right Back > 15 Million >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dogshit >>>>>> Waldo
Cause that was just ace
but its pacing was a bit wonky
There's been episodes i've liked more than others but I'd say they've all had their strong points and generally been good drama, last night was just way off.
I'd rate them:
Be Right Back > Entire History Of You > White Bear > National Anthem = 15 Million Credits >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Waldo Moment
White Bear was terrible. The Waldo Moment was actually quite pleasant- no trite, ham-fisted morality. Just nebulous frustration and confusion. By far the warmest and most engaging of the series.
It wasn't believable that people would find an anthropomorphised children's TV bear with a predilection for swearing and getting it's knob out funny? Oh Bo Selecta, how quickly you've been forgotten.
or are you talking to yourself here Old Man Kelly?
for all the flaws the others had
at least they weren't just a bit boring
(though the first was him just putting on an accent right?) Can certainly relate to an english girl being obsessed with an absent irish man.
1st one -really good
2nd one -bit obvious even on both levels of satire but still good
3rd one -bit close to charlies own life possibly? Seemed a bit of a jump at the very end that suddenly this thing has taken over the world or whatever. Also the accent he was using was similar to the angry voice of the man from 15 million credits, which only reminded me how much better that episode was.
I'd say my favourite was the first, and the decreasing from there but they are still top tv. The third just being a bit too simple/not really a twist there. Just a general 'people are idiots eh' vibe to it.
Of this series, anyway.
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