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I hate hearing about stuff like this, but I guarantee you I'll end up watching it and then immediately regretting it.
Maybe not at work though.
but as you say i find myself watching and then feeling ill
They took out about 5 or 6 dudes, body parts flying everywhere. The worst part was one guy was still alive and crawled behind a truck so they just blew the shit out of the truck with the 30mm cannon. He was still alive even after that and as soon as he was slightly visible they just blew him away.
was it part of the wikileaks files that got put on the internet? the gunners sound so cold and robotic it's really unsettling
Sitting miles away from their targets in a super-advanced flying killing machine taking people out like it's a computer game.
barely looks real. grim but incredible watch. at the 15 minute mark the shooter hits this one guy absolutely square on with whatever missile it is, sending him flying, and says "ew...oh man". also, how the hell does this stuff get uploaded on the internet?
you can literally see a donkey to the top right of the screen shitting. I'm not even joking.
In amongst the flying body parts and waves of death there is a donkey taking a shit.
I can now watch a horse thousands of miles away take a dump on infra-red shortly before it gets annihilated by an anti-tank missile
so I have only seen up to 3 minutes, but that is a 30mm chain gun. OK they are using quite the sledgehammer to crack the nut here.
I know how he feels, you spend all your points into an upgrade and you have no one to use it on so you use it anyways.
aspect of war in the 21st century. The Taliban want the destruction of the entire Western world. They got what they deserved in that clip. They're not adverse to shooting a teenage girl in the head because she wanted the rights of females to an education.
Not sure how a bunch of people living in tents will be attempting to wipe you out any day soon.
...............this post neatly encapsulates the shitness of discourse on this board
I'm genuinely interested.
I'm not referring to the whole population of Afghanistan - just those people in this vid. I recently met the CEO of an Afghan charity and discovered a side of the people I had never seen in the media.
It's the generalisation that every person there advocates shooting schoolgirls in the head, and is therefore a worthy target, that doesn't sit right with me.
I was replying to BMS1
It's amazing how many people seem to think that this is 'brilliant' and that the 'goat-fucking towelheads' brought this upon themselves.
This video is heartbreaking and utterly horrific.
what do people think happens?
I am saddened by unecessary pointless conflict and violence though
just some thorough killing of some people on the ground.
Seriously what on earth do people think happens?
I feel awfully sad about many things and unecessary conflict and escalation, but I think that being so affected by a video of something that we know full well is going on, is sort of an inappropriate response
(I guess its the americans that do this mostly, or british that subconciously wanna be americans...you know like the EDL or the BNP)
and i don't see how finding a video like this proper unsettling can be called an inappropriate response. sort of implies some sort of responsibility on the viewer. don't like it.
maybe I mean more that it is a sort of redundant response, i.e. it serves no purpose (at this late stage). When Russia had a military presence in Afghanistan supporting a mildish puppet government (mildish by comparrison) It was universally condemned by the west (including myself).
The irony of the partial reveral of the situation seems to be lost on most, certainly the media have not been helpful. Little responsibility has been taken for mistakes that the west may have made in readying/training equiping people like BinLad and future taliban that turned out to be worse regime than the russian puppets.
People in democracies need to be fully educated and aware of the consequences of war and military and political intervention in other countries, as well as thre true cost to themselves, unfortunately much media in democratic countries is purile and jingoistic, without realising that they do not always serve the western military the best by behaving like this.
could be any point in human history though. it's no more redundant to react poorly to violence now than it would have been during the crusades. is yr point "the world is shit, buck up" or "the world is shit, do something about it"? 'cause emotion is the only really jumping off-point for doing anything about anything in my experience.
It feels so removed from what war is like, it's a constructed artificial reality version of war. When you see that guy at the end you don't think of the sickening way his body twists or the wet thud as his remnants of his corpse hits the ground. You just think that another bad guy got tagged. It's so clinical.
so when you see the impact not quite hitting them you do imagine how much shrapnel has ripped into them. and how incapacitated they are and whether they do need to be further 'eliminated'. Sometimes Im suprised they can move after a near hit, but when you see one being targeted and they are still sort of moving on the ground, then you do wonder how ripped up they are and whether its actually putting them out of intense pain.....but there you go........its far far to late for us to wring our hands about it, there is absolutely no point to being upset at this (I know that sounds uncaring, but it isnt its more cos of anger, that people are popular of 'action' when it seems good, but then are shocked at the true cost of it.
People should be aware from the beginning, but they are not made aware, because it suits societys rulers to not let people aware.
Injured british troops are not provisioned for in the cost of british armed conflicts so we often see stories about how they are not looked after when they are disabled, the bill for the future expected injuries to be properly mitigated against, should be added to the budget for military ventures.
what should we do then? just blank faced acceptance of a faustian pact we we're born into?
i don't think people are unaware and i don't think that "action" is popular. the world is horrible and i feel horrible about it.
by being aware in advance and making sure that people know the consequences, to try to change bad or ignorant opinions that simplify armed conflict into being one of just 'sides' as if its a football match.
Yes I realise that despite the huge anti march prior to the 2nd gulf armed intervention, the gov ignored it.
All you are reacting to is a piece of media, the people would be dead and hurt whether or not civilians watch this, unless your upsetness translates into being more challenging to harmful ignorant attitudes towards armed conflict (to encourage level headed consideration of it and appreciating the full cost.....If nothing else lobby your mp saying that you think that the cost of caring for badly injured british servicemen should be bourne, not by the welfare budget, and not by the regular defence budget, but by the budget that the gov assigns for military ventures......this helps at least getting focus on the true cost (if only to the uk).
i type slow. still think there's nothing to be gained or lost by my emotional reactions to things. i'm probably needlessly focussing in on irrelevances because watching people get hurt or killed always makes me feel deeply anxious and unhappy and i don't understand how other people feel detatched from it.
...about the women the pilots so carefully avoid hitting having to collect the mangled bodies of their loved ones just metres from their home that makes this seem so sick.
they actually seemed to be being quite careful about who they were firing on (compared to how it can be)
i suppose my criticisms upthread of DiS must seem a trifle empty now!
this video is weirdly compelling and of course deeply, profoundly terrifying, apocalyptic almost. creaky is right that yes, this is the reality of it, but just laid out before our eyes with those cross-hairs, implicating the viewer...
A hotbed of psychopaths if ever there was one.
I guess I've got too involved in stuff in the past, seen too many pictures of victims, holocaust, and other massacres. Studied things like mai lai and other stuff. Its not a good thing to be used to. But like, whilst Im watching this, Im thinking of other attacks where its just been a case of "the enemy is in that area of the town......bombard it" and its hit everyone there all the kids, babys, women and elderly and disabled, those thoughts and pictures of them can convince you that this is not this horrific.
Arms have coinsistantly been sold irresponsibly. Many european countries have been very very heavily implicated in this. Whilst not always illegal it was almost always contrary to what these countries populations believed their country to behave, they seemed mostly unaware.
When Diana made a fuss about mines and the press picked it up, I laughed and laughed a hollow laugh.....by ignoring it for years even though it was not secret and then publishing when Diana was there, was ridiculous cos it emphasised how the media gave far more of a damn about a pretty celebrity rather than the maimings and dismemberments and killings that were caused in part by democratic nations company profits. (yes of course russia was a huge supplier, with China now becoming one of the biggest)
In the Iran Iraq war (lasted about 8 years)
From what I could see The US, UK, French and Russian designed equipment/ munitions were used by both sides, and china.
But almost everyone was entirely ignorant of this.
PS this is what I used to go on about in those days.
I think that it's the way this type of footage has become so abundant online in the last two/three years that also brings it home. It disturbs me to see so many people actively enjoying watching others die, and celebrating it.
Light hearted post to try and ignore the true horror of what's actually happening FTW
Also out of everything mentioned in this thread the single most grim thing I've read in it is the presence of a lawyer back at HQ telling pilots if they can waste a target or not
A bunch of Iraqis surrendered to an unmanned drone which was directing artillery fire, it circled round keeping an eye on them until a helicopter could be sent in to pick them up.