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Brilliant stuff. Go watch it on iPlayer.
I want to discuss its face off. Marckee?
I've got an awful lot of time for Meades.
got this recorded.
Got a bit annoyed with the radio bits - they reminded me of the really bad skits you get on rap albums.
I think it'll be hard to appreciate its depth until we've seen the rest of the series and can grasp its breadth.
I wasn't too convinced by his claims regarding anti-semitism on the utopian left - they were anti-capitalist, and although capitalism and Jewry were often conflated, it wasn't vilified to the extent that there wasn't a sharing of ideals and exchange of ideas with kibbutzism.
Can't wait to speak to my dad about this too - he was a town planner in Thurrock for a decade and half from the mid-1970s - the line about Poundbury was brilliant.
I don't doubt there may well have been some anti-semitism on the utopian left at the time, but I'm not sure that it was exclusive to that group of people; after all, anti-semitism was more prevalent in British (and European) society generally in the 1920s and 1930s than it is now. If you read (for example) a random selection of fiction from the time this becomes fairly evident.
Meades has often mentioned the anti-semitism of the left in his pieces - it seems to be one of the things he feels is overlooked due to the fact that people like Moseley and the Daily Express and Daily Mail took up the cudgels in the interwar years. Either that, or he wants to get a rise out of lefties who have romantic notions about the beginnings of socialism in this country.
There is some truth in it, for example a lot of the ideals of the utopian left came from the sense of rootedness and of belonging to a landscape - things which were often a metaphor for anti-semitism. It may have been taken up by Heidegger later on, but people like Ruskin wrote about similar ideas when the movement was forming. I'm just not sure that it was any greater than the rest of the population at the time.
I was a bit thrown by the sudden anti-Semitic curveball, reminded me a bit of an Adam Curtis segue.
Took me a while to realise the radio bits were skits until the started to drift into surrealism. Liked the Lana del Rey tunes too. As someone who spent many hours skimming the A131 with that on, it seemed oddly appropriate.
couldn't watch it as I was at work but going to catch up with it tomorrow.
I went to a talk of his lately in the anthony burgess centre, it was really interesting and I really warmed to him. Not read his latest book yet, going to plough through my Rowan Moore one first of all.
might watch it on iplayer
I heartily recommend the MeadesShrine channel on YouTube if you ever want to watch any of his other documentaries. He is rather fantastic.