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once he's got all weepy on Oprah?
I'll still think he's a cheat though.
He is a bad person, but has little to nothing to do with my life so doesn't need directly forgiving. From me at any rate.
The whole point for me is not that he cheated. He was in a system that was rotten to the core and so stuffed full of cheats that cheating was the norm/the only way to get to the top. He cheated throughout his career, as did many cyclists.
The problem for me is that he basically built a brand and a personal empire of wealth, success, respect and canonisation which was based on him NOT cheating. He is who he is because he hoodwinked a generation of believers into thinking that the human body can overcome the worst adversities on its own and without chemical interference. He propogated and distributed a calculated lie, largely for his own benefit (cancer foundation notwithstanding), which has deliberately and coldly daggered the hearts of the people who looked at him and went `this guy... this guy taught me what can be possible if you believe`.
I understand him cheating. I forgive him for that. I don't think I can ever forgive him for what he's done to the people that believed him.
He's an absolute cunt.
especially those who called him out on his drug-taking.
He deliberately saw to it that a lot of good people, and a lot of talented people, had their careers ended because they legitimately challenged his status and position.
...I'm not remotely interested in cycling you see, but the true ramifications of Armstrong's behaviour are felt way outside of it. I don't give a hoot about cycling, but the man makes me furious like few others.
I mean just the other week, if you missed it, he posted on twitter saying something like `Just chilling at home...`
It was followed by this picture: http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1430890.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/lanceshirts.jpg
His cuntishness is borderline indescribable.
the weekend after the WADA report came out in November
...but my cursory Google search throws up absolutely no evidence to suggest that it was. Unless someone else can find something.
I'd seen it, and remembered the timing, but thought I'd read something somewhere. Seems like it's genuine then.
...because my mate retweeted it and it did certainly appear to come from Armstrong's personal account.
Widely reported by news outlets too who you'd think would do their homework...
had he just shot up or something?
He said (paraphrasing): yeah, this is a bit of a low point, but I've been through a lot worse.
I suppose the annoying this is that you can't argue with that statement.
hate him for that
Who is Lance Armstrong?
he doesn't need my forgiveness
Who needs him now anyway?
We have Sir Bradley now, no more of this yank bullshit
who has called (and worked with) any number of people who dope is pretty convincing ... he makes a strong claim for every cyclist, Bolt, Paccquio etc ... to the point of listing the type of routines and scheduling they would use to evade testing positive.
Lost all faith in any top level athletes not at least micro-doping.
what grounds do you have for that?
have you seen the level of training he does & looked at the average climbing speed?
I may consider it.
through having to give back winnings and sponsorships, plus the countersuing that The Sunday Times and David Walsh amongst others will inevitably persue (if they haven't already).
is it a crime that you're not allowed to profit from?
forget it delete post thanks.
is just adding to the list of things he needs to be forgiven for.
But as a very avid cyclist, what he has done for the sport in publicity and bringing cycling to the majority of the public is in the process of being unraveled in a major way.
he was one of many, many rotten cyclists of that generation, but it is the ingrained nature of doping in his teams that will always do for me. If you were clean, you couldn't ride the biggest races, end of.
He also ruined a lot of innocent people's careers by defamation of character in order to preserve his own career. So it's not the fact that he has doped (many did in the 90s and early to mid 00s) but the fact that he has brazenly lied for the best part of 15 years about it, the scale of it and the ruination of people surrounding him and their careers within cycling.
but I'll never forgive him, because internet
that he says sorry for everything from doping to the Kennedy assassinations to 9/11 to Vietnam to Tiger Woods infidelity and then shed a tear and throw himself upon the mercy of the court
and then walked off again
DON'T DO DRUGS KIDS
the guy's a LIAR
And Oprah stands up and gobs in his face *You sicken me gerroff ma fooking shaow*
of $250,000. Good egg then.
to buy their silence.
laying grounds for it...
he also made a come back in highly dodgy circumstances in terms of the timing of it & when he should have been tested for his blood passport etc, denying sir wiggo a go on the podium
Clearing it on the grounds that he had to give weekly medicals and stuff, which were promptly forgotten after the Tour Down Under.
Is how far down the list did officials have to go to find a cyclist who wasn't doping?
Or do they now just pretend the event didn't really take place for the last, oh say, 40 years?
MLBaseball was plagued by steroids for about 10 years. But cyclists, god love 'em, have been doping since time began, methinks. All of 'em.
not at all
for a long time, yes, but there are clean teams/ riders now
beating a drugs test does not prove you are free
see david millar etc
Lance was offered a deal to tell what he knew to USADA and only lose 2 of his TdF victories? Can't find a link, but both the Times and Sunday Times reported it. He was close to agreeing, according to Tygart, but walked away at the last moment.
seems kind of backwards.. if he then admits to cheating in all of them :/
there is an 8 year rule to take races away (IIRC, but probably haven't) and the 04 and 05 races are the ones that fell withing this 8 year ruling.
In return for cooperation [into what went on in US Postal], the anti doping body was prepared to take away just his 2004 and 2005 tour titles and adhere to an eight year statute of limitation that means that an athlete cannot be punished for an offence dating back more than eight years.
i guess if he admitted it and they took those two off him, everyone would still say the others were tainted.. and be kind of ignored.. but thats whats going to be happening now anyway with them all.. the guys going to need a lot of horlicks
I rode a bike and it felt awesome. Maybe that's why he's all smacked up.
but i bet it was amazing. simply having a bath on mushies was good for me
whilst carrying a VHS recorder, which i then set fire to in a park.
'Nicole Cooke attacks cheats as she retires from cycling'. how convenient.
there's a high liklihood of her being blacklisted if she said that while still competing.
It's also probably the case that she was asked about it as it's in the news.
& meths, why not attack them?
if you've had to compete against people cheating your whole life wouldn't you want a final go against them?
(not that it makes any difference anyway)
by implicating non-cyclists in this storm, in order to still compete in ironman triathlons.
the monkees didnt write their own songs?
can we watch it liuve somewhere online? or is it on at some ungodly hour
which no one watches.
from her network from 2AM. Apparently there's enough material to make a second show, so that's what she's done.
effing LA. i'll get someone to tape it.
MY prime time. fuck the rest of the world.
I would have just STFU. Given up any dream of competing in anything, ever again, maybe grow some facial hair and changed my name by deed poll - and just fucked off into the sunset with my massive wad of cash - and denydenydeny until I die whilst enjoying my many millions.
That's what you should have done Lance, you massive dong.
Did anybody watch this last night?
not sure whats going to be in part 2.
Hope they dont let him race again (triathlon or whatever) but they probably will, they've let past cheats back
the guy is a cold bastard that's for sure. Absolutely no contrition of belief that he had done nothing wrong. The only time he shows remorse is when he's talking about the current Lance, not the Lance in the past.
Part 5 (which is where I am now
The links to the other 8 parts down the side.
'cancer turned me into a cheat' angle is an interesting one.
there was nothing there that wasn't already known/in the public domain. I know she's not Paxman, but Oprah let Lance take control of the interview.
but I expected nothing less - he almost certainly wouldn't agree to an interview that he couldn't control/stage manage very closely.
LA: I took drugs
LA: mid 90s - 2005
OW: who supplied them?
LA: I'm not willing to disclose
(A quick paraphrasing of some of it)
I'd love to see him squirm under oath and searching questioning.
Thought it'd be on a settee infront of a live audience and then he'd start jumping up and down on it halfway through
this is the sentimental bullshit episode :/
"Of 21 podium finishers in the Tour de France for the period 1999-2005, 20 have been directly linked to doping. For the longer period 1996-2010, it is 36 out of 45.
Armstrong’s medals will not be reallocated because virtually all the second place holders have been doping."
"The zero tolerance ban on drugs in sport is an example of the spectacular victory of ideology, wishful thinking, moralism and naivity over ethics and common sense."
Yes I will
Can't really see why people think he's doing this to somehow stay relevant, it could cost him tens of millions of dollars on top of what he's already lost, even see him sent to prison. I think people are just probably a bit gutted that him not directly naming other people meant it wasn't that popcorntastic.
Don't particulary think he owes cycling or the general public anything. What's probably most important is that he reaches out to the journalists he's discredited down the years, and seeks their forgiveness, though that will rightly be done privately.
To be honest, i don't know if most people completely understand what blood doping actually is.
it deserved at least one bite for how well the second paragraph was crafted.
I don't see why people are so emotionally hurt by it.