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using evidence to back up your claims
when they would not pass the second resolution for the Iraq war, which they fully supported.
They consistently bemoan immigrants staying in the country because of "human rights". They are very much rally against the ECHR and human rights arguments in general as a political stance.
I'm starting to have my doubts about The Sun, tbh.
They're nothing if not predictable.
This whole situation, like that in 1982, is just designed to get unpopular right-wing governments out of the shit.
In this instance the Sun is behaving like the really simple brother who you wind up for your own amusement.
To be honest, like with Northern Ireland, I suspect that the majority of people in the UK couldn't really give a fuck whether it belongs to the UK or not.
...but, sure, this is trolling of the highest order.
In essence though, their central point is robust - that it's really a matter for the people of the Falklands to decide. The nationalistic machismo which it's shot through, of course, I could definitely do without...
trolling of the highest order is Eric Pickles telling councils to cut benefits to fatties
I'm trying to work out what was more bizarre - the news story itself or the thread it inspired on here...
what does it say
But it's just pixels and an image. What if I saved the letter as a pic and then posted it as a tinypic link? I don't get it.
What's stopping Argentina from shipping over a load of people and then getting them to have a vote of independence?
It's effectively the argument that the UK is using.
the people living there now were born there.
it's more a bit like France saying "the Channel Islands are right next to us, not you, and we want them"
If I get enough people together in a certain area, could we have a vote of independence, and if the result was such, would the UK government have to abide by our decision?
and then go back a few hundred years later when their descendents have developed their own culture, identity and ideas about how to govern themselves, then yeah. You could probably do that then.
Maybe invent a national dress.
and a legend that the mythical beast on their flag defeated another mythical beast
and some castles
and a ditch
I mean, I can't believe they have a bunch of settlers desperate to go and live on those islands. So that's a plan what would satisfy all sides.
how are the Tories going to jingo tub-thump their way into a Govt. at the next election?
Maybe give them SOME oil in return for allowing their battleships to be easily sunk
about jingo tub-thumping to victory. People are so fucking stupid. The government's got us hating eachother and poor people and fat people and large families and the disabled, and people actually eat it up because it's in the papers. But WHO PUTS THE FUCKING STORIES THERE?
Sorry, I know we all know this, but idiots. If they make a massive deal about the Falklands it will actually distract people and they'll get all nationalistic and vote Tory again. Urgh, fucking morons.
Then everything would be GREAT!
I've actually tried to be actively nice about you for a while. Defended your right to be controversial or argumentative because everyone has a view that is valid.
But that comment is such a wank thing to say. I'm clearly mocking myself saying "sorry, I know we all know this". Secondly, who says I'm a low level office moron? Thirdly, who says that if I am, or "we" are, it's bad? Fourthly, you're belittling people questioning the political elite, which in itself is a silly stance to take I know you don't even believe.
SO WHAT GIVES?
The attitude of you-must-be-some-kind-of-6th-form-rebel if you question authority. My question to you is why DON'T you question authority. Are you some kinda fucking zombie? We should be questioning authority every day. Or do you like being spoon fed what you're meant to believe rather than come to your own conclusions. As free thinking means questioning son.
Eat them up like a good boy now.
but it didn't happen because Argentina wouldn't agree
Well that's okay then.
It's a good thing that the Falkland Islanders are largely anglo-saxon or else somebody like...well, like you would be accusing you of racism.
Which isn't in the area historically known as Macedonia, which is in what is now Greece.
When Tito was trying to strengthen his grip on Yugoslavia, he worried about some Bulgarians living in the south of the country. He decided to rename their province to Macedonia and concocted a whole range of new textbooks, historical documents, patriotic songs, etc. etc., and effectively convince everyone there that they're Macedonian, not Bulgarians living in Yugoslavia. And it worked - when Yugoslavia broke up and Macedonia wanted to join the United Nations, Greece didn't want it to use the name Macedonia, because (of course) actual Macedonians speak Greek and live in a part of Greece. So the Bulgarian-speaking residents of the Former Yugoslavic Republic of Macedonia go around claiming a historical basis for their independence and name that, really, isn't actually real.
but then I realised the Guardian and Indy's figures are nothing to write home about either.
The 'right wing press' in the UK are reacting to sabre rattling, not starting it.
What's your point?
Yet it's Britain's fault...
They are the voice of Britain in print form. An attack on Britain is an attack on The Sun.
so they're having a little cry about it?
It's a politically sensitive situation, and The Sun have acted in a stupid manner over it regardless of whether or not it's in response to something (which wasn't aimed at them in the first place).
You sound a bit paranoid.
Surely that's Argentina, who took out unprovoked paid adverts in a British newspaper to stoke up the situation?
Again, victim blaming.
They've both acted in a stupid manner.
But, y'know, it's like when the school psycho starts going round calling people names. You all know he's a bit of a psycho, and he's got form for beating people up, so most people ignore him and leave him be. However, there's always one lad who talks back and, boom, a fight kicks off and everybody gets involved. Of course, no-one defends the psycho kid, but everyone kind of thinks `Oh if only that weedy little twat who gobbed off back had kept his mouth shut...`
It's kind of like that. Not sure it's worth trying to hierarchise one party's behaviour as being worse than another to be honest, which is what you seem to be more interested in doing than anyone else in this thread ironically.
Not the angle I'd have gone for in their position, to be honest.
Lot of stuff about the UK being evil imperialists and infringing on the sovereignity of the good people of Argentina. Not so much about the torture and execution of thousands of dissidents and the mass abduction of children, funny that!
don't live on a very small island. Instead, live on a slightly larger island.
not the government, but the general population. Apparently EVERYONE feels they are rightfully Argentine and were nicked off them. Are they all brainwashed or are we? I really can't work it out.
fuck off. Don't write open letters in foreign newspapers. That really isn't going to help.
I'm not suggesting that it's in the Sun's interest for the situation to escalate into another war ... Actually I am. It is in their (and the Tory party's) interest for this to escalate into another war.
Is that directed at Argentina, or The Sun? In the context of your post, it seems you are directing it at The Sun. Victim blaming once again...
seems fine, its not as if they took out a full page ad saying MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!!!! did they?
because they were making a counter argument against what the Argies were saying.
Still hypocritical as surely they should have done their usual "fuck off UN" thang.
She's a proper grass
There's a part of you that might think 'you know, really it would make sense if they were part of the UK', isn't there?
Argentina would have had to invade in order to settle there. Also, the bit of Argentina that the Falklands is close to wasn't part of Argentina when we settled the Falklands. For your analogy to work then Scotland would have had to have been a desolate wilderness populated only by subhuman sav...oh.
I know the analogy isn't perfect, I was just trying to suggest that if the UK/Argentine position was reversed - and even as it is - you can definitely look at it and think 'this doesn't make much sense in the modern world'. But regardless I think it's up the islanders to decide what they'd prefer.
but the Argentinians are so bloody shamelessly disingenuous in their reasoning. There really isn't a suitable analogy, and they certainly can't have it 'back' - that would be a tautology surely?
The Sun would be whining and harping on about it all the time, harassing Argentina to return Los Shetlandos to us.
for that to work the fictional Argentine community would have to have been in place before the United Kingdom even existed as a country. Additionally, the United Kingdom would have to be a colony in its own right settled by another imperial power who were busy killing off the native inhabitants.
Both governments badly need a patriotic war to prop up their increasing unpopularity in time for election. Cameron and Kirchner have probably already agreed to a small one. A mini-conflict, over after a given number of battleships sunk and/or soldiers maimed. Falklands Mk2. This time the comb means business. Maybe even just have a kick-around to decide it. Could probably smuggle Higuain back to England whilst we were there. Hey, I've just thought of a great excuse for pulling out of Helmand as fast as possible. What is Britain going to lose out of this again? Cmon guys, time to chew gum and flap ineffectually.
::calculates effect of an argie bargie war on the 2014 referendum::
Scotland? Yeah, that.
war by simulation
as I say the same things every time the Falklands are mentioned. I'm a Falkland Islander and it's been interesting to read the coverage of the last two days. The Sun's letter was pretty good I thought although the last sentence might not have been necessary. It got across the key points that the Argentine version of 1833 events is just lies. The Falklands have never been Argentine and the British had an administration here before Argentina even existed as a country. It's a bit rich for them to bang on about colonalism when their ancestors wiped out the native population of their country. They are currently enforcing a strategy to undermine our economy and isolate us politically. For instance they are bullying cruise ship companies to try to stop their ships visiting the Islands which could see our tourism industry drop by 40%.
do you feel like you have any Argentinian culture at all? Or is your life/shops/popular etc just British? Or a separate independent Falkland thing? I really can't picture what it must be like there!
We're British but we have our own cultural identity. It's a very British place and Stanley is probably just like any other small village in the UK. We have a lot of British ex pats down here but there are a lot of other nationalities as well with quite a large Chilean population living here.
now I'm picturing a village like the ones near where I grew up in Gloucestershire, but with penguins. That about right?
The other day I was walking to the shop and nearly stood on a sea lion which had found its way onto the pavement from the harbour. Guess that doesn't happen much in Gloucestershire.
are all correct in this thread.
The sun is a bit shit, but Cristina Kirchner is a massive cunt who is trying to hide the fact that the Argentinian economy is really really screwed.
a rematch. I, for one, am up for it. I won't personally be able to take part in the game but will happily wave my tiny miniature flag The Sun will be giving away for free when it all kicks off. A war AND a royal baby, what a year!