Google it, much like children I can't be fucked.
although I would've put my money on Steps bloke.
Shinobi vs Dragon ninja
You know.. he could be innocent. I am not even a fan, and I hate the band and I have this power to give him the benefit of the doubt.
He'd be rife for a bumming.
I would also like to redact my comment at the bottom of that article (although he has not been convicted of anything yet and I consider him innocent until proven guilty).
I bet you have a washing machine in your lounge too!
"as excitable as a teenager on poppers".
was code for some sort of paedo ring
this is depressing...
"SWING IT" and the guitar riff in my head for HOURS now
I'm an awful person
Conviction is another thing entirely of course.
still dresses like this
Innocent till proven guilty doesn't actually count for much in practical reality. (which makes me wonder if the evidence is so overwhelming, that a convicton or confession is just a formality.)
Whta is happening, seriously? Is there a surge in paedophilic actuivity in recent times, or just a better environment for reporting it? I hope so much the latter.
The court case will be held in public after all.*
*I realise a lot won't be made public thanks to the age of the victims.
I had't realised he'd been charged. Makes sense :)n
they're naming him as a sort of appeal for others to come forward if they have had similar experiences
to point and laugh at his sweat van when he turns up. Think I'll stay here and have a cuppa.
was originally going to preface mine with *I'd don't believe this*
he claimed to be someone who just dressed and looked like the dude from Static-X but definitely wasn't.
are we all suffering from paedo news fatigue?
And remember news=entertainment
so entertainer + news = double entertainment
it'll be l;ike getting done for cannabis or shoplifting
so difficult to be a rock n' roll god these days.
what next, a piece in the daily mail health section about the dangers of intense alcohol consumption for touring artists?
his groupies nowadays are probably made up like this...
i haven't got a fucking clue how old any of that lot is. i know the third one from the left is 43, but apart from that.
he looks like a 17 year old goth girl.
how long have you been back on here?
It unsettles me.
slow times at work pre-christmas, innit.
Custody until Dec 31.
I knew if I Googled "Lostprophets tattoo" I'd find some misguided folk who are no doubt making some hasty appointments this afternoon!
I might explode from schadenfreude
says hes up on 6 charges.
1 x sex with under 13 year old
4 x offences relating to possession and distribution of indecent images of children
what was the other??
conspiracy to smash a kids gash
<<The lead singer of Welsh rock band Lostprophets has been charged with conspiracy to rape a one-year-old girl.>>
but assumed I must have misheard :/
is a grim and folorn sound
not yr normal animal porn, oh no
during a bungee jump
We'll have none of that
that is just........ shiiiiiiiitttt.
Dark dark stuff there. I was having a bit of a lol over it when it was all a bit more vague earlier.. but reading that really makes me feel a bit sick.
animal pornography crosses that line from mild to extreme.
It's just a picture of your mum.
Cats shitting on each other, that kind of thing
try the Bright Eyes threads
Don't think anyone's arguing that it's 'worse'. You're welcome.
if its trolling, its genuinely effective work. and i would normally applaud that sort of thing, but this is a bit grim for that.
if its not, you had best have a think about yourself, how you view things and maybe actually go and have that aspergers test as you're displaying a stunning lack of empathy.
and not picking up on an obvious joke
and your general misunderstanding of what asperger's even is
but don't let that stop you typing endless words and opinions about everything
and coming across as being unable to feel empathy for a particularly sickening situation regarding potential child abuse.
i was referencing my controversial post in the other thread, i think everybody pretty much got that
you're such a bedwetter it's not even funny, i can smell the piss from here
ah that other post where you came across as a bit of a cunt in a thread about kids being shot. well, im glad you're proud enough of that to try to make it a meme.
are you actually 93 years old?
just referencing something said in another thread in the context of this one for bants. you could moan about bantsing it up in a thread about a guy raping children but near everyone in this thread has been at it.
theres a reason i had avoided coming into this thread.
trigger issues. should have just stayed away from it.
In the school shooting thread he posted questionably about why anyone should give a shit about a child dying...and maybe that was a 'joke' or maybe he was serious, but either way it was clearly the work of someone with issues.
And now you're saying xheathenx is being uptight or something and hasn't understood this is a self-referential bad taste joke based on a serious identical bad taste posting, rendering this post actually just 'bants' and so it's not really a problem?
idk what was going on in that other thread, don't think it was trolling & what he was saying was completely unnecassary and prickish but he got pretty heavily slagged down then, there's no need for any more now. i thought sticking his head back up above the parapet and repeating the idea in a thread where it makes no logical sense was pretty funny like.
I also don't really think it was meant in the way you think.
perhaps you should read it again without the hysteria glasses on
It definitely reads a lot better for you in that light. Sure.
if i said the words "give" and "a" and "shit" that would be absolutely valid
has the hallmarks of someone with blunted affect.
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I mean, i don't know if they should be naming anyone, but seems weird how they're given more anonymity than him.
is that they're related to the victim....
maybe not related, but releasing the names would make it easy to identify the victims.
His life and career are going to be effectively ruined now whether he's found guilty or not
but all victims of sexual offences are entitled to automatic anonymity for life, with very few reasons to discard this. As a result of that, lots of steps have to be taken to make sure than anonymity stands - you probably wouldn't say where they worked, or which school they were at etc, in case that information was enough to identify them to someone. So I imagine that identifying these woman could potentially be enough to identify the victims. Make of that what you will.
what about if you are a victim of a sexual offense, and then later on you become a perpetrator?
does the anonymity of the time you were hypothetically a victim prevent being named as a potential offender?
theres a film about it, and possibly a quiz show.
he used for the 'making and distributing indecent images'?
When I first heard this I thought he'd just boffed a 15 year old...
When she was about 14.
I.told her to send it in to the Daily Star or somewhere like that.
he had so many 13/14/15 year old girls just screaming and losing their shit to get close to him
knowing he is a MASSIVE paedo
(that was a Lostprophets song, right?)
He's received a lot of twitter abuse :(
ITS OKAY H. WE KNOW ITS NOT YOU
THIS IS WHAT YOU GET, H FROM STEPS
and said 'you're fit but you're a twat'
Lost Prophets are so fucking shit.
Can't really comment on anything else.
I thought, because of the sub-thread above, that one of your mates had gone up to H in a pub and said "you're fit but you're a twat".
i think it would be hard to feel festive if you're being raped in the butt, but that's just me
look at the nearly year-old comments here:
The mind boggles.
apparently he has three dicks and raped a unicorn
some of those comments mentioning HIV
didn't think this could get darker
and it's from nearly a year ago.
still though, would you let him near your unicorn?
brings up some very strange stuff about him. Found an escort profile which is potentially him and his girlfriend, talks about paying more for having unprotected sex etc.
Not that this is in anyway related but along with some of the alleged rumours that apparently have been going around for about a year, it's very easy to link everything up. So so strange. My early teenage years have been tainted forever.
Like, Lostprophets are a kiddy (sorry) metal band, right? Isn't this guy some boring provincial graphic designer as well? It just....aaargh. If it was someone from a Satan-worshipping doom metal band from Norway or something then you could almost say 'hmmmm, fair enough' but...the fucking Lost Prophets? One year olds?!?!! EXTREME animal porn!?!?!?
I hate getting drawn into these kind of stories but this one's got me, it's too bizarre/grim/funny/really not funny :(
Even by your desperate trolling standards, that's a bit off, mate.
people who know and do absolutely nothing. It makes me sick that people could actually know shit like this is going on and just let it slide. I dont know how they live with themselves.
but don't involve me in whatever kind of mental breakdown you're having.
i just think it's great that you're brave enough to let drownedinsound's web community know that you'd do the right thing, and that you don't know how these people live with themselves. it's just admirable, that's all.
le epic lolface xD
bloody hell you're a bellend and a half
is there anything wrong with that?
You're not even making any sense.
it takes real guts to go on drownedinsound's web community and speak out against people that don't speak out against sex offenders. i couldn't do it.
dunno why anyone would want to do that tbh.
Of all the Lostprophets footage they could have chosen:
Video 1: 'Lostprophets play at a welsh school in 2010'
Video 2: 'Ian Watkins sings Bon Jovi's "I'm Wanted, Dead Or Alive" [excerpt]'
VERY VERY VERY NSFW
While I am tolerant of all things great and small I'd be fairly happy to hope that 99.6% of us won't even hover a cursor over those links
So NSFW but nothing anyone here needs to worry about.
than the risk of actual...that
It's nothing illegal, I thought I'd accentuate the nsfw qualities just in case
(plus in the private gallery there's a picture of someone elbow deep in his arse so y'know...)
is what dreams are made of.
Honestly, Loui. I don't know why you bother with DiS when you've got people like this guy willing to click on links. Can't for the life of me comprehend why you haven't taken a stand and left.
it strikes me as improper according to most moral codes to gawp at porn of this man, even out of destimulated fascination
The only way no-class will learn his lesson is if you never, ever post on DiS again.
."To view our availability for the next 14 days click here"
he worked/works as an escort??????????
wow that reads back badly
Like people have said above when I first saw the story I thought it was about sleeping with a 15 year old groupie or something.
I wonder if a lot of it will turn out to be internet shenanigans. Google brings up some pretty crazy rumours and stories and so maybe he was into looking at very grim stuff on the internet and having messed up dialogue with people/escorts/paedos etc etc. I can't get my head around someone 'genuinely' conspiring to rape a 1 year old...
Happily bangs Fearne Cotton, men, into a bit of animal porn, and babies. I'm no expert but surely that is a bit unusual, beyond the obvious.
Fearne Cotten *is* very pretty but not especially sexy.
I think going out with Fearne Cotton was the first signifier of all this nonce-sense. We should've known!
You still wilt at the sight of a willy
I Ctrl+F'd and everything.
are those real people posting on there?
what the fuck is this site?
fucking hell. no way. psychos.
'Start Something is the best album out this year!' and Hundred Reasons were all, man, don't say that, we're not the competition, let's all be friends.
WHO'S LAUGHING NOW?
H*R 4 lief
He was previously straightedge apparently but then decided to get fucked up. Here's a Kerrang interview about it, the interesting stuff is about halfway down. It's easy to read too much into it, obvs, but still...
“I’ve taken down all the rules in my life”, he shrugs. “It’s hard to talk about this without sounding like a fucking wanker, but I had an epiphany, where I wanted to get a different mind-set for this album, because it needed to be different. Now I could hypothetically think about what it would be like to be in that mind-set or I could just be like ‘Fuck it’ and go nuts.
he comes over as a proper wanker here:
''I was fuming, and I walked offstage after the set, and I was so fucking angry that I grabbed 6 bottles of Newcastle Brown from our dressing room and smashed them one by one on a table outisde, just as a release.''
preceding the above was:
In the summer of 2008, Ian’s bandmates sat him down and decided to confront him about some of the rumours they’d heard floating around. Things had come to a head after the band’s appearance at the V Festival in Staffordshire on August 17. As Ian tells the story, guitarist Lee was running late for the show after visiting a local hospital with his pregnant wife. As stage time approached, and it was increasingly obvious to all concened that Lee wasn’t going to make the show, the singer offered to apologise from the stage and explain that Lee was unavoidably
incapacitated. “So I said to the boys, whatever happens, if Lee turns up don’t let him onstage because I’m going to look like a real fucking twat”.
“So in front of 60,000 people on the main stage I turn around after making my apology and Lee was standing right next to me".
DO YOU GOOGLE YOURSELF?
“Yeah. But mainly I look at Google Images. Not for vanity, more for practicality, because I want to see which of my various haircuts suits me best and it’s easier to check there than to pull out all the old family photo albums. Is that vain?”
What a dick
it all came across as a bit like that time Ben Gibbard claimed he was an alcoholic, because he LITERALLY had five beers and five shots once.
usually when people break edge, they bang a few swedge and act like a dick for the night.
Ive got rooftops in my fucking head and caught myself whistling earlier. I'm not a paedo sympathiser. Promise
Rooftops and the opening riff to Town called Hypocrisy. Also the video to that song is very disturbing given what has happened
Hardly surprising really
I feel really sorry for them. Granted, their music is shit but they're still people who probably considered him a friend.
You think 'not really though' and you're mentally wrong about virtually everything, so ...
They are a little tainted- the endeavour they've all dedicated the last 15 years of their life to is now that band with the singer who wanted to rape a baby. At best their careers are over and at worst people will be suspicious of them and what they *must* have known.
who is seriously going to give two shits about the other members of the band? the people that know them will know they weren't involved, as that seems to be the case. obviously their careers in music are probably done but their names tainted? i suppose in a very short term twitter-bullshit kind of way, but not really.
There we go.
99% of people wouldn't even know they were formerly in lostprophets
This guy ... This fucking guy. I hope moker appreciates what you've done for his status on these boards.
I don't think they really need to worry
Its not as if their names will be readily available to find and associate with Ian Watkins on a massive Web of Information that is World Wide.
Maybe someone will invent something like that soon
the guys who knew someone who turned out to be a pedofile. I'm sure they're lawyering up for the impending nothing.
Just that "people" will be able to associate their names with the lostprophets and Ian Watkins fairly easily, and rightly or wrongly some "people" will always wonder if they knew anything.
but i guess i'm just saying it won't be to the point where there names are mud.
Look at The Who. Just because Pete was TOTALLY WRITING A BOOK YOU GUYS doesn't mean i assume the rest of the band were privvy to that knowledge
I doubt they've made that much money out of it but they're probably comfortable enough, given most of them still live in Wales.
They might be a little bit put out that the band that they've but so much of their effort and life into will now forever be a verbal shortcut for 'baby raper' though. I mean, probably. Maybe I'm wrong and it won't bother them at all that their good friend is a likely sex offender, and that the people of small provincial towns in the middle of nowhere won't act any differently to them at all.
and a lot of people knew saville, but apart from other offenders they're not all tainted.
No. Not going to get into the sneery retorts. Wow or not - I think I'm trying to establish a middle ground here.
From now on Lostprophets will very definitely be associated with ALLEGED pedophilia - yes, fact. But, the drummer or the bassist or whatever... if they go on to do something else they won't be looked down on.
"They must have known something" hasn't been much of a weapon used by the press recently to target celebrities in the periphery of high profile pedophiles - everyone just does a 'we're as shocked as you are' - so why should it be different here?
I'd expected it from our friend above but I'm surprised you'd take a similar line.
I could make a pretty strong case for you being completely and utterly wrong about both Savile and Jackson, but I won't because it's irrelevant- there are five guys who are/were part of Lostprophets, who we must assume very much enjoyed being in Lostprophets and saw it as a very important part of their life, who probably won't want much to do with the name Lostprophets any more. They aren't 'celebrity friends'- they're in the band. The band with the wannabe baby rapist. That will stick with them, even if it doesn't stick with other people (which, in plenty of small-minded and vocal cases, I'd happily wager it will).
i thought we were referring to it ending their careers?
Their own mental health will be destroyed by this i should think, agreed. But I don't think they'll never work again in music or w/ever. I'm certainly not arguing they won't be hugely affected. I just can't seem them being ostracised to the point of being unable to find work in another band for instance
do you think they've made enough to not have to worry about working ever again? I mean they've sold tons of records obvs, here and in America, #1 single in America, #1 album here, still live around Cardiff sort of way as you say, but it's a pretty safe bet that they're not going to make any more money from royalties and that. Do you think they'll be set up?
Isn't (wasn't) watkins the main song writer? Surely he have been making the lions share of the royalities before this
rather than watkins getting the lion's share. if the former is the case they'll be fine. two platinum records and two golds worth of sales yields a lot even after record label recoupment, and then there's advances etc
Sometimes i think if you get a number 1 you're probably pretty much set up, but then i think you're on a major, you're probably getting screwed. I dunno. But advances will be in leiu of selling records/doing tours/getting airplay, you've got to (effectively) pay it back, soooo.. dunno
not unless it was a 360 deal which wasn't around then. Advances will come out of record sales, not royalties or live. It takes a lot to pay back an advance and make a lot of money after, but platinum will do it
And you're saying number 1 but it sounds like you're saying singles... number 1 (or high charting) albums make a lot of money, and once you've cleared your advance it gets awesome.
ALSO by the second record they would have negotiated from a stronger position.
Just never able to judge it you know
i wonder if PRS licensing is public. it probs is.
are all, what, late-20s(ish). They will have built lifestyles *and have mortgages) which reflect their past/current status and earnings. The earning are going to drop massively and, unless they have talent enough on their own merits, they will have to find work somewhere. The article you posted earlier mentioned that many(all?) of them have partners and kids. It's a shit situation for them a week before Christmas and next year (and subsequent years) must seem very daunting
I agree with what cocodaLOL is saying up here^ that (assuming they didn't know anything) they should be able to continue making music under other names (obvs Lostprophets won't last if he's found guilty), or doing session work or whatever but would you want to? So what i was wondering is, if they didn't want to what with all the shit they'd be going through, would they actually *need* to?
Watkins was the singer, none of us can speculate as to how the band dynamic wrote but i suspect he simply fronted it and wrote the vocal melodies and lyrics at absolute most. They can replace him and change their name they would probably get a lot of sympathetic press and interviews to help push the new project. They have a fuckload of fans still, there were a shit load of twitter responses from their fans along the lines of "I hate Ian Watkins but I still love the music". People will still be suspicious, but these will be people who didn't like Lostprophets anyway.
If not there will probably be production/industry jobs available to them. They certainly won't be forced to work in Macdonalds until retirement.
I don't know the music industry well enough, but I hope you're right. Bottom line for me is that when the veneer of fame and glamour is removed they are still just blokes with wives and families who need to make a living. And I can't help but feel a bit sorry for them
Must be great to have such clarity in life
People are going to say that having been friends and bandmates for so long there's no way they couldn't have known. That's not what I'm saying but that's not an unreasonable thing to suggest. But you know that
i'm saying you're wildly overstating how much 99.9% of people are going to give two shits that they knew a potential baby rapist
yeah, they logically could
but they won't
these are the 0.01% who are adults and still Lost Prophets fans
Far fewer than 0.1% of people know who Lostprophets are- how those people will react ... Well, who knows, but it's not that important. But those people themselves, the last 20 years of their lives ... They probably don't feel too great about that right now. Can't imagine they'll be boring their grandchildren with stories of US tours, number ones and platinum records in 30 years time now.
which precisely comes down to what other people think
and other people won't care
it's not complicated
shame because they have probably worked very hard to get where they are over the last 15 or so years. Their livelihoods have all somewhat been destroyed.
You think that you'll all fight for each other and take care of each other, but in reality one of them will leave you up shit creek when he gets charged with conspiring to rape a baby.
Never start a band with an alleged paedophillic, amputee porn watching horse shagger who likes a fist in his bum. ALLEGEDLY
Links above suggest that he was very straight laced until about 2 years ago
The pussy arse pansy wimps can't take it and go off the rails.
If anything comes out of this situation it is that others may learn from that all too common mistake.
If it had been the drummer/bassist etc they might (might) have been able to fire the guy, issue a statement of disgust and distance themselves from the scandal, then return after a dignified period of time with a new band member. Because this guy is the front man, it changes everything
Paddington train station or whatever, aren't you?
Old friends, bandmates, etc etc
although in that interview link ^up there he does say that they grew apart massively when they all started families and he decided to gO cRaZy
because they still consider him a friend, even after this
Mclusky - she will only bring you happiness
there with a cup of tea and a couple of hobnobs watching deal or no deal and you think to yourself 'I just conspired to rape a one year old'. Can't imagine that's a good place to be.
but I've seen interviews with paedophiles in documentaries and the thing that comes across is that many of them on a fundamental level don't really get why people think it's wrong.
they reason that its ok and the world is wrong.
now know who at least one of the women are. And their kid. And have seen their twitter.
Think maybe that page should be taken down? To save us from ourselves as much as anything.
not gonna try and justify it.
The internet is great for facilitating self-loathing huh.
Would he still be mentally I'll if he was covering your children in yoghurt?
if the one year old baby was 18?
some of them were still saying it was a conspiracy against him by some of his exes yesterday. Honestly it was a really, really depressing place to spend an hour or so reading. God knows why i did it.
really vicious slagging off and everything, with girls assuming for, as far as i could see, no reason at all that people posting about his exes or current gf or not-even-gf were another one of his exes or current gfs or not-even-gfs. Fucking weird.
After 7 years and over 25000 posts, my first 300+ replies thread is a Lost Prophets x Paedophilia collaboration.
(I don't know if this applies here, but I have always wanted to use this phrase)
you'd have to have a fuck-load of doves.
I hope they done for contempt for court.
Also with that whosdatingwho site thaht's linked to up-thread, how do they get around the fact that they're hosting so much libellous gossip (libellous gossip being the sites rasion d'etre of course). Wouldn't Theo have to remove comments like that were they on here? Enlighten me somebody.
That line from the Vice story, with some kid saying 'I heard a rumour of him [redacted]' - on a website like Vice with a relatively niche readership, does it have much a chance of causing serious prejudice to active court proceedings? Probably not - most potential jurors would never stumble across it for example. Ditto if it was on DiS.
Put it on the front of the Sun though, they'd be in a shit load of trouble. As they should be, everyone deserves a fair trial.
would think twice about printing something like that.
I'm probably more likely to listen to them now. If their frontman does indeed turn out to be roughly 10x more evil than Satan himself it could lend them a certain 'edge'.
whether 'Shinobi vs. Dragon Ninja' and 'Last Train Home' are basically 'Rock and Roll, Parts 1 and 2' and 'I'm The Leader of the Gang (I am)' now?
Shinobi vs. Dragon Ninja: a barnstorming paedo anthem for the i-pod generation.
23 charges of sexual offences, including 2 of raping a baby. What the fuck.