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should probably also say again that the link above is of A WOMAN WITH HER GENITALS OUT.

It's not unusual

let's just delete it.

should've gone without the link.

anyone got any advances on that?

make this thread sticky?

out of this thread

my brain didn't process how pornographic the image was 'til afterwards.

deary me.

Schoolboy error.

people tend to have hairs all over their body, regardless of gender. some hairs are lighter than others.

some people have different coloured hair to other people.

some remove some of their body hair.

she had full-on whiskers on her chin.

did georgiabeth off the internet just call me a virgin?

jfc.

but it's a good reminder of how much of a pathetic slob you are

no worries on that front.

she'd be here in half-an-hour.

maybe it's a good opportunity for people to discuss western attitudes to the idealistic sexualisation of women?

aaah hairy_susanna, we meet again

ffs. you know, how you look at people and notice things and don't necessarily judge them?

loads of thisses

lads sayin' birds shouldn't have arsebeards n' that.

you thought a woman having facial hair was noteworthy and also relevant to a sexist thread about whether or not women having hair is acceptable.

people have different amounts of hair than other people.

you're judging my post from a militant feminist stance, but it's not actually a sexist post.

sometimes people deliberately veer off topic on the internet. cheers.

all i'm getting is "wibble wibble *sounds of lonely sobs* wibble".

is sexist.

^just an observation :)

it's like an aerial shot of a ewok convention at the moment.

Sub-thread: that lovely smooth sensation when you've shaved your cock and balls, pretty great yeah? Yeah.

and there's not a cultural obsession with dictating how men obediently groom themselves. Happy to help.

says someone who isn't a woman

but i've never shaved anywhere on my body bar my beard or my head.

nowt against it, i just imagine it would be less comfortable, and hair's there for a reason, surely (on men at least)?

Maybe you're just biased because you're a woman, and admitting that serious opression of both sexes exists doesn't fit in with your skewed agenda?

why do we remove it
why do we feel the pressure to remove it from our faces and genitals

is it sexist to talk about women have more natural hair? I don't see how it's any different than talking about a man with a long beard.

the context doesn't make it sexist; as I said, people veer of topic in threads on the regular.

Great comeback.

I can't retort to that.

TRUTHBOMB.

IT'S NOT MORE HAIR

IT'S JUST DARKER

I bought one of those Philips 'Body Groom' things, my own choice of course after all 'there's not a cultural obsession with dictating how men obediently groom themselves' Dude, D. (2012) 'Y'know when women are hairy and that'. London: Drowned in Sound.

Anyway, it's pretty great and I routinely shave my chest, arms, legs, cock and balls and pits now. I'm getting really into this new androgynous thing. It's cup cakes, milk and honey lip salve and self-reflection all the way for me now.

sometimes it's more hair.

i've seen women with proper beards.

sometimes the hairs are longer

the hairs are there theyre just not as visible

it wouldn't do any good to compare it with patriarchal imposition of bodily ideals for women, but that doesn't mean it's not a source of a lot of insecurity and so on for loads of men.

that suggests women sexualise men more than men sexualise women. e.g, men on average look at a woman's face more during the early stages of meeting, whilst women tend to check out bulges and butts, etc.

there was another one recently that suggested that in 30% of cases, men spend more on cosmetic products than women.

hmmm, interesting...

in a way that seemed extraordinary.

this is no different to someone making an observation about a rock formation. you're all reading more into it than is actually there.

there's a woman who gets the 85 bus who actually looks like WG Grace.

'all of me doctors orders' would be a great track name

that system exists and is maintained by other people/other factors and I don't consider myself bound to those people or their system in any way.

and before you bring up male privilege, I actually feel constantly oppressed and alienated by all of that. I grew up with my mum and my sisters in a matriarchal family and it's profoundly shaped me in a way that makes it hard to be me.

but w/e, tangent.

it's unfortunate that a casual observation about a person's appearance can be interpreted as sexist.

this is a considerable source of torment to a lot of people.

the entire world vs. thirty lasses on a lighthearted gameshow

here's some advice for you: start menu > shut down > close laptop > go to bed

- it's a bit different in that women are not objects, or a phenomenon to be observed by men (although earth science is still a very male dominated profession). Rock formations haven't been historically oppressed and don't suffer from ingrained attitudes about their role in society. So any factors inhibiting their ability to flourish are limited. A lot of them are also really phallic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rock_formations

not having to do that much reading into it to see that what you're saying is oppressive. Your posts directly contributes to prescriptive cultural expectation that women shouldn't have facial hair when in reality it's very common and there's no reason why we shouldn't.

If I was a militant feminist I'd just shoot, dont worry.

completely misinterpreted what I was saying.

so Take Me Out's lighthearted, but Courtney Stodden going rollerskating in a bikini's female repression?

I don't judge women any differently than men. I don't really judge at all, actually.

when me and the ex were rowing about what he wanted to wear out.

and how we see other people. The Social Board is proof positive of that. Every reality show, etc.

Wouldn't say this particular non-grooming habit is a deal breaker, but in a mean-spirited moment I might think *her lazy shaving habits are more important than me getting a mouthful of pubic hairs?!* --says hypocrite guy who is often too lazy to shave than worry about gal's mouthful of pubs

because of other people saying and doing other things that are sexist and oppressive.

noticing a feature of someone's appearance shouldn't contribute if it isn't judgemental. if anything, I gravitated towards this person because of their unorthodoxy.

pointing out a woman's moustache as if it's abnormal unusual makes you one of those people btw

and for me it's fine.

come at me and i'll oppress your pubes so hard

I thought it was interesting to see someone who was different.

which is bad, appreciating things that are out of the ordinary.

and that's not me offering an opinion on the question in the OP.

look here pal. I know considerably more about this than you and "noticing [and commenting on, as you did] a feature of someone's appearance" can, and in this case has, contributed to my oppression.

Your idea of what "judgemental" means could be loads of different things. Whatever you mean, crucially, you cannot just de-contextualise beauty and what is pertinent to you in everyday visual interaction . We all see the world through an constructedly oppressive lens. You can deny that and continue to be part of the reason women are unequal and have their social and sexual confidence routinely undermined. you can deny that describing beauty or what is 'orthodox' actually prescribes behaviour and affects how we feel about ourselves.

or you can acknowledge that your own internalised ideas of what other people ought to look like (or what is so normal and accepted and viable it's not worth posting on dis)are the result of something larger and that the cultural power of sexist imagery, language and ideas has actually had a productive role in making you who you are (amongst other things someone who clearly doesn't appreciate how oppressive power works and notices hair on a woman's face and thinks it's something up for wider discussion).

If your last point is that you find hairy women fascinating... that's oppressive too. Take some time to think about this I guess. It's not something people get straight away.

"We're right, you're wrong. Everyone hates women".

Didn't see that one coming at all.

instead of just pretending i don't even notice the differences between people?

hairy women is a fetish for some people.

but like i say, of the bums i have seen, none had that much hair on. i can't say either way whether any hair removal regimes had been carried out on that particular area

Make way, LME Indie Committee coming through

?!

the hair just sort of buffers it all i guess

you genuinely don't see how much of a hypocrite it makes you? just trying to gauge how deep your delusion runs.

I'm off to the old folks' home to pick me up a nice piece of bearded totty. Cheers

but it's a genuine forum joke used often by TENS of users

because simply by being born male, you are a part of perpetuating sexism

unless she was waxed from the eyes down. Srsly, it's disgusting otherwise, can't be doing with that shaved last week stubble either, shit give a brother rash like a wet nappy. SORT IT AHT BITCHIZ

and in a thread where people are being a bit bedwetty

yeah i am proper racist towards bedwetters, ESPECIALLY female ones

that's my opinion, digest it like a dry scone

because of my shitty job because of my lack of qualifications because of ill health and severe anxiety because of street harrassment because of the patriarchy.

laser hair removal from the eyes down. That or women with alopecia and expensive wigs that are glued on, can't be having the wig slip off, that's like seeing behind the curtain

maybe try groupon they have good deals sometimes?

unless you count the way I feel - yes - oppressed, as someone who isn't at all the typical masculine male and isn't able to be unabashedly me without being totally alienated.

just because I see something as different doesn't mean I contribute towards it being different. I get that posting it so directly within the context of a thread like this might contribute, but if I noted the difference in a more obviously positive light, it could contribute to changing attitudes in a positive way, i.e. if people see others embracing a difference, in the long run that difference might not hold any negative connotations anymore.

I liked the fact that this lady didn't feel obliged to adhere to the waxed/shaved norm. if there is a sense that she is against something, that she feels oppressed, that's unfortunate. it'd be nice if she just had no thought of it at all, no burden on her mind.

ideally, it should be no different than a guy choosing to modify his appearance or not. this is how I see it, anyway. the patriarchy have no sway over my internal thoughts (I do feel oppressed in the way I externally act in many ways).

and he'll pay for it

(the condition, not the album)

treated her to tesco sushi and we ate it on some steps. didn't end in sex.

the one that clarified that what I meant, that I consider different to be good and others consider it bad?

we went to the movies and because she was quite short and young looking and bald, possibly looked like she was going through chemo so i asked for "one adult and a child" knowing the clerk wasn't about to dispute it. she was like 19.

fuck i am the absolute worst.

is contributing to racism.

I was raised by/among girls/women, I haven't been shaped like other males. I don't petpetuate anything, despite what any rhetoric might insist.

if you realised you were being stupid half way through the argument.

You grew up in a patriarchal society mate, it has shaped you. Goodnight.

RACISM IS A SYSTEM OF OPPRESION THAT BENEFITS WHITE PEOPLE

150+ replies on a weekend. Someone give it a bump tomorrow morning, if moker finds it we've easily got a 4 digit-er on our hands.

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/

someone you don't even know.

you're so obnoxious

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt55_jexq-o&t=17s

that's a completely different thing.

sebum is there for a reason

and he was, like, a feral animal person.

just another agent of the fucking patriarchy, fuck that guy.

If he grew up with spiders it'd be a different kind of story

glad we cleared this up

( my arsehole is like a fucking forest who am i to judge )

you're a male living in the uk that's enough for anyone with a brain to acknowledge the patriarchy has benefited them

last seen running away from the scene screaming obscenities
http://jezebel.com/wolves/

hur hur hurrrrrrrreurgh

If I was gay I would have a pristine arsehole

I can't wait until it snows. going to benefit some snow into the shape of an oppressive man and then push him over in solidarity with girls and that.

and your choices, opportunities, decisions, past, present and your future.

I'm sorry I won't make any more jokes.

*cut to scene of black widow being squashed by a copy of the Qur'an*

like when I tell my 13yo nephew off for saying 'rape train' when he's playing Black Ops or w/e.

I feel like when you say it shaped me, you mean 'in its own image'. it really hasn't, and I am so neurotically self-aware, I can tell you this with a real sureness.

as if 'the patriarchy' is one unbroken pact between all white men everywhere.
I mean isn't it more along the lines of a the powerful dictating the way that things go in the world, and as such more to do with class and wealth and power than anything else.
rly idgi

and only chastise him for a naive usage of the word 'rape'

Let 'I know considerably more about this than you' be the new 'I, boring?'

I'm inherently egalitarian.

also I was going to make some nice food or do skipping or read a book but I spent hours on here instead. wut.

the armed forces take care of that.

it's just point scoring. no one dies. they know that. you can gut someone with a chainsaw in a game and be a sensitive, caring, non-violent person irl.

glad to have been of assistance.

I just don't know where to begin.

I'm glad the strand of feminism I subscribe to doesn't require all men to be viewed as inherently sexist from birth.

I'm a bit worried that wishpig is an admin and that she probably won't immediately lose that privilege as she should.

I hope this thread keeps going until everyone embarrasses themselves beyond recognition.

it would probably be quite upsetting and confusing.

you'd have spent most of your youth trying to go home with people you thought were your mum. that kind of thing would fuck you up.

but honestly, only on a navel-gazing site such as this, would this be an actual topic of discussion.

i'm at a loss as how you couldn't process the level of explicitness.

do you wallpaper your house with stills from max hardcore flicks that you've become so desensitised that a photograph of a woman bent over spreading her cheeks and labia wasn't considered /that bad/?

:/

surely.

and rightly so.

I've got a degree in Cultural Studies too, and you're talking utter shit.

cheers

the same shit happens there but with square jawed, tousle haired men who look like they live in the gym and get waxed daily instead of the female equivalent.

it's just ways to make everyone have body dysmorphia so that they buy shit like lime and tea tree exfoliant body scrub and spend £80-£240 on a gym membership they use three times in a month then never go again.

30% of all studies printed in the press are made up by sales teams
the other 70% are made up on the spot by journalists with no real references copy pasting shit from another papers RSS feed.

it doesnt matter what the content is. its indefensible.

that's unlikely.

ie still a virgin.

in the instance that you were being sincere, I'd say something about not being his parents and having no say in the matter.

but you are trolling so w/e.

it doesn't matter as long as personal hygiene is good.

my ex couldn't understand why i didn't have a preference or ask her to shave or wax as her ex's before me had done.

to lighten this a bit from the serious answer.

How many male dissers have been asked to trim or shave their nethers by a partner/gf/random hookup?

After having done so the first time it's never grown back properly, if I leave it too long it makes it look like my cock's wearing a clown wig. So every now and again it gets a number 4 trim.

you're a piece of shit. i'm done.

The girl I'm currently sort of seeing keeps demanding that I completely shave my body hair. I've refused because, although I *personally* think trimmed and well-kept is preferable, something about completely shaving your genitals is a bit creepy to me. Like that scene in The Dreamers you know... like you want a little boy / little girl paradigm. That's not hygienic, it's just infantilising.

is pretty fucking cowardly.

because we're not big fans of getting a mouthful of pubic hair

also, not sure how normal this is, but i grow quite a lot of hair on the actual shaft, so it's sort of necessary.

like a pre pubescent school boy?

it probably captures scent/musk (sounds gross, it isn't) allowing us to consciously/unconsciously sniff out potential mates..

it also probably acts as a sort of buffer, you know that bruised feeling you get a day or two after having sex a bit.. imagine that with out the hair barrier..

err..

also note : PROBABLY

Of course, I'm reluctant to shave my armpits while I sort of expect (though have never asked) women to shave theirs, which I respect is a totally patricarchal state of affairs.

I always think it's a shame that female feminists are so keen to hammer home the point that patriarchy is utterly entrenched (which it is), so consumed with seething hatred for anything with a dick, that they don't take the time to try and speak to men as if some of them might be sentient beings and explain how they might reconsider their thoughts and actions.

Look at this thread as an example. The level of responses from georgiabeth and DarwinDude is pretty much 'lol you're a man what could you possibly know about anything to do with gender politics' which is utterly self-defeating and serves to make the men look like the considerate, thoughtful ones in the thread. Which is a shame, because I'm pretty sure they're both intelligent people with worthwhile views on the subject.

They're not saying men are inherently sexist or oblivious of sexism. They don't hate anything with a dick (DD, GB and WP have all had (or have) regular fellas, whom they presumably have liked) They're saying that men are born into a sexist discourse, which will advantage them in several respects, and it is up to them whether to pay attention to this or not.

While I agree with xheathenx as well regarding the consumerist drive towards universal body dysmorphia, women are far more regularly and absolutely oppressed than men in the dark arts of appearance pressure. It would be misleading to suggest that men are passed over, but women are taught to be insecure virtually from birth.

That is all.

Do you shave your legs / underarms etc?

Cos it's all very well wanting s cultural shift but that's only going to come from the ground up. It's not like models on billboards will just suddenly have hairy legs. It needs to be seen as a common occurrence and not something worthy of a newpaper story like it is nowadays.

So don't shave, wear that short sleeved top or skirt ''normalise'' the natural. You'll find most guys actually don't care and if they do then they're idiots. With women I've chatted to about this it seems to be more they're worried about comments from other women in changing rooms or friends on a night out.

But if you go along with that then are you not just as complicit and part of the problem?

Maybe the ralliying cry for feminism in the 21st century should be 'remove your razors' instead of 'burn your bra'?

You still got it, forza.

it's really easy to change ingrained societal prejudices, you've just got to try reeeallllly hard.

best,
men

ps. it's all your own fault anyway

besides, do people really drink on Sundays?

please explain without being horribly sexist.

That, for want of a slightly better or more specific word, sexism is at least implicit in virtually every form of interaction and that compliance is drummed into all but a negligibly small number of people of any sex or gender from birth.

I'm not sure the sort of self-regulation you describe is possible or effective on any meaningful scale.

but I could just imagined you huddled over a can of fosters googling "hairy arseholes" eating plastic cheeses from the packets ;)

few pints with mates on a sunday afternoon? lovely stuff.

and that's all i'm gonna contribute to this thread.

more of a Friday & Saturday drinker meself.

Sunday drinking = hard Mondays; Tuesday Blues; oh fuck me is it really only Wednesday Wednesdays; Yes, it's nearly Friday Thursdays, i'll have a pint; oh shit it's weekend again.

sat on your couch with your dog.

And we'll just be posting with blank signatures. To the outside world it'll look like four people having a 200-post conversation

But I think a bit if practicing what you preach would be helpful (not a comment on people on this thread, I don't know what they do) in that if it was more of a common sight it would reduce omg a woman with hair! reactions.

Oh, wait...

can women solve problems logically without getting all emotional, idk?

happy to be back at work today, thank you DiS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGardUiWjR4

Have you ever tried to have a normal discussion without resorting to over reactionary comments like that? I agree with you and I'm still getting attacked.

No one is forcing you to shave. Is there pressure from society? Yes. Is there anything stopping you not shaving? No. Sometimes you need to take action and not moan about how hard it is cos you're oppressed.

you need to shut up and listen when i'm telling you how to not be systematically oppressed. why are you always so angry?

you can thank me later.

all the best,
NickDS

Thanks for proving my point btw

now THAT is just fucking offensive.

I thought the UK had agreed to never admitting hard-fi had happened.

You don't deserve a HEY LA-DIES! or a guitar solo

hairy or not. Nothing is saving them.

that you've added over 100 replies to this thread between the hours of 1am and 9:30am.

I mean, I do abstain a couple of nights a week (nowadays), but only reluctantly.

Exit only I'm afraid. I don't care if you've watched porn where a guy shoves his huge penis up a ladies bum hole but I'm not conforming to your sexist ways.

Ay?
PORN.
FILTHY PORN.
Where men abuse women and make them do things they don't wanna do.
IM NOT HAVING IT CAT_RACE. I CHOOSE NOT TO!

mow the lawn people

or I will never be able to come to your house through fear of touching anything that might have gone up your/your girlfriends bum.

oh my god i <3 you both

x

no, really, imagine it. Good work virgins / feminists / priviliged white males. Late burst for thread of the year!

I was THIS CLOSE to starting a classic "panty raid" thread a-la "Porkies'.

Elevating the artform to heights I never thought possible.

That it should come from the nightshift makes things even more precious.

Truly a benchmark for the modern game.

They're all just robluvsnic alternative accounts

http://i.imgur.com/pQsbe.jpg

as if

said anything about oceanRain's mention of a "mouthful of pubs".

Am I wearing women's clothes? I didn't notice. When I look in my closet, I don't see male clothes or female clothes, they're all the same.

So what sort of feminist are you supposed to be?

you're one of the gang now, Matt!

I was meant to go Xmas shopping with my sister and my niece.

the patriarchy just won't stop with its insidious reach, Louis. if it's not me preventing my sister from leaving the house with my oppressive oversleeping, it's 'jolly old' St. Nick guilt-tripping women everywhere into paying his god damn salary.

actua:(

and instead of staying on here late into the night arguing against the liberation of women and just accepted the fact of your privilege and how your comment was absolutely contributing to western beauty ideals, you wouldn't have overslept?

could achieve if they weren't on DiS for 90 per cent of their adult lives. Things would really happen, guys.

I'm going to invoice Evil Sean Adams for a piece of toast.

it's just sexism

when they've fallen asleep exhausted against the sandbags thinking the Zulus have fled but wake up to find they've reformed and are about to attack again.

Luckily we're not in the type of thread where anyone will draw any conclusions between you being a red coat coloniser firing at an oppressed population in this simile.

http://takimag.com/article/the_real_war_on_women_guy_somerset/print#disqus_thread

Feel the hatred flow through you.

I was her pal for a bit too, but I was just way too LME in the end

+ a few others - the pure at heart, basically

means there will have been at least one person - probably a lurker - who clicked on the link in the OP and then decided to obliviously masturbate over it, probably while the debate about feminism was raging at its hardest. The thought of that should cheer us all up.

does that mean all of her crew hate you too?

icwar do you hate me now?

a single glimpse of untamed, inglorious Nature - the one thrill for the loins I've seen on here today, Hey Guys aside natch

NB: sorry for the delayed reply. The castle really put me off.

Enjoy trying to get another job in either city from now on.

And all because of this:
"I served an older lady in work the other day
she had full-on whiskers on her chin."

I hope you've learned your lesson.

your mind will be blown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2V2QVvJlt4

''because simply by being born male, you are a part of perpetuating sexism''

Copyright georgiabeth, yesterday

:D

and i'm too jaded to play up to it.

so this subthread probably isn't going to come to much.

sorry.

what a thread!

another 400 replies pls

My point is a calm, rational analysis like that would have been useful before this thread became a total shitstorm.

I just think you have a frighteningly intolerant attitude. Ideally you'd want admins to be fair, diplomatic, and able to have a debate without resorting to childish barbs - which you have, pretty much every single post. The exchange with NickDS below is the worst.

Whatever, maybe I'm taking it all too seriously and it's just megabants

she's right. I'm fat and I've got a girlfriend [who's attractive]. Women obviously only go out with men for their intelligence, strength and charm.

delusional.

by being born male into a patriarchal society it's not a choice you have made, but you are benefiting from the system.

you're not inherently a sexist as such, but you are an inherently a part of a sexist system whether you like it or not so fuck off

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DIK7QFtQjQ

re:'icwar do you hate me now?'

ahahahahahahaha so desperate for some true friends that are pure at heart

i've got hundreds

i live in london and i've got maybe 3

ethricdouble is pretty pure and he'd better be my friend or else though

I wouldn't waste time pm-ing anyone I didn't think was a good person and therefore worth being social with.

in the shower. the end.

I like lots of people on here, and I still think you're cool or w/e.

and I've read all of c_r's posts.