The nurse that took the prank call at the hospital where Kate Middleton was
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20645838
Found dead. Not in anyway implying that it was a conspiracy, because as far as I know I'm not a nutjob.
Think if it turns out she killed herself because of the shit she got from either the media, family, the hospital that would be really tragic. Obviously whatever the circumstances it's a shame.
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that's fucking awful
poor girl. can you imagine being in her position. oh yeah, i'm just going to tell the queen that she's lying to me. you just wouldn't do it on the off chance
yeah you would
cause the queen wouldn't just ring the reception desk in a hospital at 5:30am... She'd ring Will's or Kate's mobile wouldn't she. Cause she's their grandma.
Can you imagine the queen saying, 'Oh one had better ring 118 and get the number for the hospital switchboard'? Nah, queen's got mad telephone skillz.
Besides, all she did was put the 'queen' through to another nurse who gave away all the info, wasn't even her that did the shit.
Definitely something else at play here, obviously mentally disturbed and this was a good excuse to off herself over. Sad, but this 'blame the DJs' crap that's now floating around the low intellect circles is some boolsheet
what the?
No suspicious circumstances, all seems to suggest suicide
Bloody hell. This will send the conspiracy nuts batshit crazy. A little bit overboard though, yeah it was a bit dozy but no real harm done and people seem to hate these Aussie DJs more than any staff. Mainly because they are complete fucking bellends, rather than just nice nurses and receptionists.
I'm not sure what conspiracy there would be.
The nurse made a fucking ridiculously stupid mistake, which amounts to potentially sackable breach of confidentiality even if the patient had been Jane Doe.
Given who the patient was, and the fact that this nurse would come under intense scrutiny, you owuld have hoped that in additoin ot any bollocking, she was given support fomr her employers on how to deal with the media circus. Whether this happened or not, it doesn't seem to have been enough.
everything about this story makes mesad.
This nurse didn't reveal any confidential information about Kate
she just passed the phone call on to someone who did.
Ah, the early report I saw on this stated it was the nurse 'responsible' for the leak
which is fucking lazy journalism and which I took to mean that this nurse was the discloser.
The result is no less tragic, and who the hell knows what has gone on behind the scenes in relatoin ot all of this :(
This is unbelievably shocking
and awful
had she been fired? I bet they had fired her, the cunts
-"The BBC understands Mrs Saldanha had not been suspended or disciplined by the hospital."
Crikey.
Different people take different things personally, i guess.
Perhaps if the press weren't so needily obsessed with the ins and outs of peoples private lives the whole situation would've been avoided.
well yeah exactly
hopefully the djs will realise making prank calls to hospitals isn't the best way to spend their time
if you think about this- those djs effectively killed her
via manslaughter (sort of). incredibly shocking and sad, poor woman :((((
don't be ridiculous
JFC
no they didn't
Jumping to a bit of a conclusion there.
While the timing might suggest that, you don't know anything about her private life or what impact the call had on her.
Oh come on.
what an astoundingly thick thing to say
good point
I agree
:D
If there weren't a significant proportion of the general public
obsessed with the ins and outs of peoples private lives, the press wouldn't be either.
Bang on.
We get the news media we deserve. They supply the stories that we tell them to.
Blaming the media for our ills (i.e. the Leveson enquiry fallout) is putting the debate arse about face, frankly.
*we 'want' the stories they tell us to
Partially.
See: Willz 'n' Kate.
I literally don't know or care what the Leveson enquiry is/was.
Cheers.
Bit of both though innit
can't wait to hear the response from the Aussie DJs
thing is though, they must feel horrendous
yet really i don't feel like they should be made to take any of the blame.
i know it's not exactly what you would expect
but they were still prank calling a hospital. it's not on
they're not responsible for her death
but surely some of the blame must be on them? they caused this situation
I really don't think so
i mean, no-one would ever imagine that something like this would be (and quite possible isn't) the result of a prank call.
we don't really know anything about this awful event so even hypothesizing about blame at this stage seems ridiculous.
Aye
you don't commit suicide because you fell for a prank call. There is so much more to it. Its difficult to imagine that she hadn't at the very least been persecuted at work by either her colleagues, or even superiors.
It also strikes me that we may never know as we will never hear her own testimony. So sad.
of course not
I didn't mean anything other than they should feel bad about it.
the shits.
oh gotcha
yeah, i imagine they feel shit as.
i think probably everyone feels pretty bad
:(
To be fair, I think a lot of people'd have a go at a hospital for releasing confidential information to a complete stranger on the phone.
I'm not sure the Royals particularly over-reacted on it.
What's your point, Spaceboy?
Is it the Royal Family's fault that it got more publicity? I think the newspapers would have made a big deal out of however the Royal Family reacted. In fact, come to that, did the actually even publically have a go at the hospital?
Oh, what the fuck.
Good god, that's utterly awful.
Before everyone has a hernia from jumping to conclusions
it might be worth remembering that we don't even know yet that it was suicide, let alone what reasons she might have had. It's obviously tragic that she's died, however it happened, but how about a little bit of restraint and common sense, eh?
great moderation jm
really great
everything in moderation
theoGB's autobiography
in all good bookstores in the run up to christmas
fuck that
I'm off to torch Yabby Creek
*cocks shotgun*
Are you telling me I have to put this pitchfork and flaming torch away?!
This is so unbelievable sad
and shocking.
Though (I suspect) you don't just go and kill yourself over making a mistake at work, no matter how big or sensitive the mistake is. She didn't reveal personal details about Kate, I think she just passed on the call to someone who did. The DJs should not be held responsible for her suicide in any way as it wasn't meant to be serious or damaging to the individual nurses manning the phones.
i heard her voice played out on radio 4 yesterday
they actually played that out. can you imagine looking that thick in front of the whole nation (and not knowing how to deal with it...natch)
that can put pressure on people, if indeed she did take her own life
is posting on these boards speaking in front of the whole nation?
I mean obviously it isn't, just sayin.
no, i know
i was just preempting
no more so than radio 4 is
probably
i dont have the stats, but this is more permanent
I'm not really in the place to say
but I imagine she was a very intelligent lady, being a nurse, so no matter how thick she sounded on a snipped of a telephone call that probably caught her off guard, she wasn't a thick person.
no, i'm not saying she was
but imagine if suddenly everyone knew you as the girl that fucked up at work by being tricked like that. most people care what people think of them. even people they don't know. i can't imagine it was nice for her
Oh it definitely wasn't nice for her
and i don't doubt that she must have felt humiliated but my point was just that there might have been something more in her life / about her personality that lead her to do this. Maybe it was just the straw that broke the camels back as they'd say. Who are we to speculate? Its just really tragic and I feel for her family.
no, but i can imagine being in a situation where you feel you've fucked up so terribly that there's no way out
you don't just go and kill yourself over making a mistake at work
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_%28weapons_expert%29
who else wants to post some irrelevant Wikipedia links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mytton
*clicks stopwatch*
so you're saying
he DIDNT kill himself!!?! :O
that's pretty different
as you well know
no matter how big or sensitive the mistake is.
At the risk of turning this into a massive diversion
David Kelly didn't come under pressure because he'd made a mistake at work, and I suggest you actually read the article you linked to if you think that's what the story was about.
oh ok well done
you've managed to be right by focusing on details of the comment whilst completely ignoring the obvious intention and point.
VERY CLEVER
:D
Let's all talk about this!
have you been on http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/social before?
Yes, but just one time.
So far it's lasted several years.
I think I missed the run up to this
Absolutely horrible news
Poor lass. Really don't like the twitter fury against the presenters though. They're going to be feeling bad enough as it is. Have any of the people spouting off thought that people can react in unexpected ways to unprecedented amounts of negative reaction.
Both in terms of the nurses and in terms of the DJs, I wish people'd stop getting massively outraged every time somebody fucks up in their job.
I know it seems weird and trivial to compare this nurse's death with the other story about the teacher who fumbled a bit when asked by 8 year olds whether Santa existed but I think it's a good example of the exact same thing it's depressing how newspapers and the public round on someone who's made a non-malicious mistake at work and start feverishly screaming for their heads. In another circumstances you could have the harrassed teacher kill themselves and the nurse being a small player in a story that's only become major because the newspapers want to fill some column inches.
Yes, it's bad when a nurse takes a call from someone and wrongly puts them through to the hospital ward, it's bad when DJs' pranks have unforeseen consequences and it's bad when a teacher accidentally says Santa doesn't exist but nobody's acted maliciously and I wish things could be kept into context without this media uproar. I don't think anyone could have foreseen the nurse would have done this but it's unnecessary that the whole thing becomes a big story in the first place...
this'd by the woman who thinks the DJs are guilty of manslaughter
hmmm
(sort of)
i was going to expand on my comment (enormously tongue in cheek) to say this could all be part of a greater conspiracy to drag the good name of DJ's through the mud re: BBC pedo drama but thought i was taking it too far. So there you go
oh, it was all a joke
okay
more of an unfinished thought. *re-enables leechblock on firefox*
xxxxxxxxxx
What?
denigrate the respectable appointment of DJs everywhere
LOL
Its like she's suggesting people have jumped on the DJ hate bandwagon since the Jimmy Savile scandal
and this is just another addition to this ongoing conspiracy. Nice.
The next stage will be cutting funding or increasing tax to radio stations.
You know when Blink came out on Dr who there was some new thing about taking down old statues around london on the news.
Bet I'm right. anyway this is horrible talking about this poor girl's death. it was probably the Queens hit squad, brought out of retirement following the Diana job. ////// Don't take any of this seriously for christs sake xxxxxx
Shush now.
Easy for you to say, mate.
when your job solely involves filing and answering the phone.
:D
Is this really the thread for this kind of thing?
FWIW back when I did work on a reception desk it was in a psychology department so I actually fairly regularly got phonecalls from patients' relatives wanting information or to discuss the care and I can easily see how you can get sucked into giving information (which often the patients didn't even want their relatives to know).
Teaching's actually much better for that. I teach adults so don't have the potential for "Santa exists" fuck ups and ESOL learners seem way less anxious about data protection than a lot of other sections of British society. I can still easily see how I could say or do the wrong thing and it could spiral into a news story in the wrong set of circumstances but it's far less of an issue than when you're "solely answering the phone" in a hospital.
He's just lashing out because he's finding
being the boss of his own imaginary company a bit stressful.
:D
i can't believe you rose to that
Why not? Seems like exactly the sort of thing I'd rise to!
I wasn't actually going to but forza reminded me that I've kind of got relevant experience in the 'getting weird phone calls from alleged relatives in a hospital' area.
couldn't agree more with this
bang on there
especially now with all this 'twitter fury' and thousands of faceless voices expressing feelings, true or not- on every minor event, i tmust be very hard to cope inthe spotlight. There is no time to breathe.
Being the victim of something is also utterly different to reading it passively from a safe position.
Reading comments about me, even if they are only SLIGHTLY not-glowing can still have a strong bearing. So in cases like this she could have read hundreds of comments, them all hitting her directly.
*it must be
Says the person who immediately accused the DJs of manslaughter.
hey hyg, that was only a JOKE, do keep up!
Bants.
:(
horrible.
I guess its 3 am odd in Sydney but someone at that radio station should really take down the boasting stuff about the prank ASAP.
Poor DJ's are going to feel pretty shit. Fucking detest that kind of radio banter shite they do though, who actually enjoys that stuff?
Committing suicide after a fuck-up like this is demonstrates a real lack of foresight.
his twitter has just vanished
The outrage directed at the presenters is ridiculous
If one of them gets sacked and tops themselves because of how badly they've fucked up will that make in better? Don't blame people for something no one could have foreseen, they'll be feeling guilty anyway.
Then it'll be the people who were having a go at them
Who start topping themselves.
And so on.
It's a laugh a minute over at 2DayFM
The broadcaster was handed the first reprimand in 2009 after a 14-year-old girl was attached to a lie detector and then said live on air that she had been raped.
Wtf has that got to do with this?
Just dragging up some poor girls trauma for no reason.
Did the hospital train the burse for the media circus she might have to deal with
before before the hoax (by having a preggers Kate there) and after the prank?
The Djs are not at fault. The nurse made a stupid mistake, but it's the employers, the bosses who should have to answer questions.
Those prank calls were a proper Aussie thing to do though
REALLY NOT KEEN ON HOW IS IS BEING REPORTED oops caps
so far. Looks like knives are out for the djs.
uncomfortable really, the need to blame.
Just had a look at 2DayFms facebook
One of their recent posts is a memorial for a young boy. People are using the comments of that to have a go at the station/presenters. Beggars belief.
really wish i hadn't just a read of that
what the fuck is wrong with people?
Two of the first comments I read on that Facebook page
included the words 'peterfile' and 'laughing stalk'.
In all seriousness though, that page is chocker with people who literally don't understand the story at all. Would make a fascinating study of public outcry, this story. Including this thread.
They should blame the hospital
not the individual nurse but the senior staff. IF they should blame anyone of course.
what if this is also a prank
prankception
I really don't get why everyone is defending the DJs so much...
Sure, the British media might be more to blame, but the responses here I find pretty weird.
I mean, I would assume that if I made a prank call to the hospital asking for information about someone (as in, anyone, not just royal family), then I would get arrested. I don't know, maybe I'm just naive. It's a horrific & unbelievably insensitive thing to do in terms of the consequences for the patient, the family, and the staff. No, they might not be responsible for this lady's death directly, but what they did was still awful. They must have at least known they could cost someone's job.
I don't get what it is that's making it 'not a big deal' to all you guys? Because they're radio DJs? Surely that makes it even worse - broadcasting it. Because it was to do with the royal family? Why should that matter? I don't understand at all. And it seems like this station has history with acting in such a way.
You think people should be arrested for making prank phone calls?
12 year olds prank phoning the pizza shop
probably not worth it.
Adults 'prank phoning' a hospital, pretending to be someone else, to try and find out sensitive information that they have no right to so that they can broadcast it.... um, yes, yes I do.
I don't really see how this is much less morally problematic
than the phone hacking situation?
Right
Except that they said they weren't trying to find out sensitive information, and didn't actually expect to be put through. I mean, one of the lines was "When is a good time to come and visit her because I'm the Queen and I need a lift down there." (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/dec/05/royal-baby-phone-hoax)
Seriously, read the quotes in that piece
If they were genuinely trying to pass it off as an official phone call from Buckingham Palace as a way of getting information, do you think they would be titting around with jokes about corgis?
i just read that
i had no idea of what actually happened in the call. The stupidness and banality of it just makes this whole (suicide?) thing seem more tragic.
:(
So?
They were phoning a fucking hospital. Where someone was ill.
There were obvious consequences (I mean, lawyers and stuff were mentioned, so it's not like they thought it was totally innocent). This was a situation where somebody was ill. That's what I don't get. You're all talking like they just phoned up a hotel where she was staying or something? It was a hospital, early in the morning, probably with tired and exhausted nurses feeling the pressure of the situation, and maybe expecting phonecalls from the palace.
Joking intent is pretty much meaningless. They could have stopped it as soon as it was getting serious, yet they didn't.
Really don't get it, sorry.
so if they had called up a hotel
and the eventual consequence (possibly) was that someone died, would you be all cool with that?
I'm not talking about someone having died
I'm talking about the morals of the phonecall itself. Prank calling a hotel would (probably, unless they get and broadcast their room number and lock entry) be less bad, because it's not in relation to very private information about an ill person.
i'm sorry pocketmouse but if you're not talking about someone having died
then you are in the wrong conversation, because that's what everyone else is talking about.
THAT'S WHAT THE THREAD IS ABOUT
And no, like I said
If it was a hotel I would still find it awful, regardless of the consequences.
Why on earth should grown adults do something like that. It still could likely end in someone being fired and/or personal information being given.
I just said that it being a hospital and relating to an ill person makes it worse.
As in, I'm sure you'd be more pissed off by someone prank phoning the hospital pretending to be your ill girlfriends parents, than you would someone prank phoning the hotel she was staying at (presuming it wasn't overly sinister).
If someone prank called the hospital or hotel where my girlfriend was staying
how would I ever find out?
Are you trying to wind us up?
I'm going to make it as simple as I can.
The reason people in this thread are acting defensive of the djs is that there seems to be rising public hostility towards them in the context of this poor woman's death. There's a lot of blame being directed towards them, some people are calling them Murderers.
People in this thread don't think that the djs are solely responsible for this woman's death - therefore they are act defensively towards them.
The issue you are talking about is entirely different.
If you actually engaged in the thread subject then you might not find the thread replies quite so strange.
I'm on PocketMouse on that one
There's nothing simple about what happened. The issue PocketMouse is talking about is not entirely different insofar as it puts in question the morality of prank calling an hospital .. and consequences that goes with it.
I think the DJ's behaviour is morally reprehensible on two accounts:
- prank calling a place they should never have even thought to put a call through in jest in the first instance
- targetting in their prank nurses who they knew who 'd have to face possibly reprimands or even sacking for this
Even if the Djs are not solely responsible for the debacle, I think they are the main douchebags in the affair.
Yeah that's cool, I'm totally up for them being called to account for those things
Just not for someone's death
Have you heard the recording?
there's an argument
to be made if it involves sensitive patient confidentiality
I would say that prank calls that amount to harassment ARE crimes.
Wouldn't really say that's the case here though.
You prob can be can't you? Depending on what the prank is?
ie bomb threats, nucience calls/heavy breathing/not speaking kind of thing?
(obv that's a different level of ''prank'' but the intent is kind similar for the caller? ie a wind up)
^ should have F5'd
well i don't think anyone is saying YAY DJS!
and i think most people would agree with you that it was a total dick move and they should be held accountable for prank calling a hospital, it's just that I (and others) don't think they should be held accountable for someone's death.
And furthermore it's far too early to even know anything about the circumstances really.
actually i might slightly retract some of this
as i have no idea what the prank phone call was about. I kindof expected it was all sorts of serious but if it was just "oooooooooooohhhhhhh I'm the queeeeeeen'' then it probably shouldn't really matter at all.
What a total fuckmess.
Look, think of it this way:
Would you even entertain the idea of doing something like this? If no, there's probably a reason for that. Which is that you'd have to be a pretty special kind of cunt to think it was either acceptable or funny. Yes, worse things have happened in the world. That doesn't mean that they can't or shouldn't be criticised.
I don't think people should be arrested simply for making unfunny jokes
tempting as that sounds
It's stupid, unfunny and crass but nothing that deserves the level of condemnation they're now getting...
Gotta love DiS
I'm being criticised because I find adults 'prank calling' a hospital in relation to an ill person to be a little more wrong than simply 'tasteless' (I refuse to use the word 'joke', even with the prefix of 'unfunny' it would be giving them too much credit).
Yeah, point taken, this probably isn't somewhere I should be spending time.
Are you sure people disagreeing with you is, in actual fact, personal criticism?
Gotta love DiS, the place where lunatics believe that you shouldn't be arrested if you haven't broken the law
wibble wibble
I am on PocketMouse on that one
See post above. Acting amorally does not always mean you're going to jail, it doesn't mean it's right either.
I do think phoning a hospital in jest is more than tasteless - It's morally wrong.
Now debate.
Me too - I don't think they should be arrested but they should feel really, really bad about this
Provoking someone to disclose information that may cost them their job.
What did they have in mind for their next prank, calling a grieving widow about her recently deceased husband's parking ticket? This is a serious situation for those involved you pair of total planks.
Here's the whole prank call - Get it whilst it's hot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSYeVfj3w6g
Pretty sad to be honest.
I'll just feed my little corgis then
lol
Firstly the prank itself was actually really stupid. Typical Aussies and their pathetic sense of humours
Secondly, the nurse who killed herself was the receptionist, the ward nurse who took the call should have been a little less forthcoming with information - about anyone not just some celeb. But, if you listen to what she says, it's not exactly ground breaking - she said she was sleeping and dehydrated. I would expect someone who was throwing up with morning sickness to be sick and dehydrated.
It's super super sad, but like what's already been said this is definitely a deeper rooted issue that was perpetuated by some stupid fake call. Which wasn't even funny to begin with.
bit racist mate
They're white.
OMG U H8 WHITE PPL
i'd read this entire thread thinking it was the ward nurse who killed herself
hmm. In fairness, any doctor or nurse knows that you can't give out ANY information about a patient to a relative without the patient's consent, beyond 'they're ok' or 'they're stable'. Mistakes happen, obviously.
It's an incredibly sad series of events. But anyone who honestly thinks the DJs are to blame for it is being vindictive in the extreme.
but they are a bit.
they did something that evidently made a woman want to kill herself.
so....
"Evidently" but...where's the evidence?
dunno man.
Fucking hell first the Queen kills Diana and now this
when will it all end?
when the royals will come out of the closet
and finally admit that they are Reptilians after all.
then we can nuke them all
... like in 1789. Forgot nuclear warfare had not been invented then. Get the guillotine back, I say.