Max Clifford arrested now over sex offences
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20627765 crazy times but couldn't happen to a nicer guy really, how's he going to put a postitive PR spin on this you reckon?
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yeah it's just CRAZY that anyone is making a concerted effort to arrest rapists and sex abusers
haha
pretty sure that's not how he meant it.
oh righteous one.
I assume it's for what he knows
rather than what he's done. About time too.
sorry what is going on? just everyone is being arrested now?
like, not everyone
but it feels like barely a day passes without another super high profile arrest
Hello Mr. cat_race,
We've had a few complaints.
NO
Woah woah woah. Not about that sort of thing, it's just one of your neighbours is unhappy with the state your leave your recycling bins in.
Guilty conscience?
i always have to do the bins :(
my housemates never do. when i was in new york they just didn't get touched
The man downstairs from us never does his either
I constantly see his wife struggling with massive wheelie bins.
One time I saw him sitting in the car all nice and toasty as his wife scraped all the ice from the windows. In many ways he's my hero.
I assume it's cos they've spent the last few weeks collecting allegations and sorting through them and now they're starting to question people.
I assume a lot more celebrities will be arrested in the next few weeks - obviously how many of them end up being charged remains to be seen.
no, i get that
it's just like, a bit of a headfuck that there was so much of it going on
he is a cunt
really?
i think so
don't you?
well i dunno
i'd have to think about it
yeah alright
probably is
:D
Wow. There is no way that Max Clifford is going to go down without taking a lot of others down with him.
^this is an open goal for a crude joke
I'm too nice a guy to do it though
:)
People are innocent until proven guilty
Even those you do not like
*apart from those you do not like
still cunts though
innocent or not
Well
Would an innocent man hounded by media attention and false conclusions invoke any sympathy in you?
This is a post-Leveson world we live it now.
depends
i mean he may be innocent of this, certainly is until proven guilty, but he has contributed massively to the trend of growing media attention, positively courted it for his clients, so it is rather a delicious irony
i mean certainly is in the eyes of the law
i have no evidence to comment either way.
obviously.
yeah my rapist is innocent until proven guilty
^ WTF?
It's a fair point that to the victim of the crime innocence/guilt does not need to be proved in the same way as it is tested by law
Savile will never be convicted but to his victims that doesn't make him innocent
*alleged victims
* Liars
alleged is not necessary in this case
because I'm arguing from a hypothetical standpoint
Hypothetically libellous
Comments about dead people can never be libellous under the law
You know what I mean though
Yes, you mean hypothetically untrue
which is a tautology
Shut up, marckee
irked
Always.
What about people who think they have been abducted by aliens
are aliens guilty?
err
are you really going to make that parallel?
No, no direct parrallel in regard to what is mentioned above
Just a counter to your 'guilt does not need to be proved in the same way' argument. Just because someone feels wronged does not confirm guilt.
Presumed guilt by anyone is a dangerous precedent however emotive a subject ie Max Clifford.
The point I'm defending is that it isn't the prosecution that makes domes a rapist - it's the rape
Someone *
Completely true and fair
but it's then surely disingenuous for you to ask if someone is really going to make that alien abduction parallel given you must have known what it was they were describing- the mental process of an uninvolved party without supporting evidence of any argument, not the severity of the situation.
Given that there is no evidence for Alien civilizations
And thus everyone who believes they've been abducted by them is generally assumed to be a delusional crackpot ... It seemed like an extremely dangerous parallel
Plus my argument is not based on people who THINK they've been raped, (they are deliberately not part of my argument) it's centered on people who HAVE been raped... for those people surely exist
Again true, but largely irrelevant and disingenuous.
The parallel was not one that sought to draw comparisons between the veracity of people's experiences. That seemed fairly clear to me.
Personally, I'd be inclined to believe any woman, man or child who said (I'll avoid saying 'claimed' here, because the extension of your logic is that it isn't a claim and that makes talking about it really awkward and hopefully demonstrates what I'm attempting to say) they had been the victim of a rape, and would most certainly react to them as a victim without prosecution or corroborating evidence. But I'm a person, not a legal system.
As DanielKelly has said
I would have hoped it was clear what I was getting at, but if not, I hope I have clarified.
In a court of law then yes
I always thought he had a look of the nonce about him
I'm assuming it's charges of a nonce-sense, since the folk mentioned in the article.
accused - the new guilty
outed on Twitter - the new accused
who said he's guilty?
DarwinDude.
^This was a pointless jibe, shouldn't have made it.
Apols.
YOU MONSTER
i think in the coverage of this and similar cases there is a presumption of guilt
really?
let's look at that
Savile - masses of evidence, not tested in court. Never will be.
Presumption of guilt? Probably
Gary Glitter - Already a convicted paedophile
everyone else - innocent until proven guilty as far as I can tell
He could have helped out someone who committed offences possibly?
Is that an offence in itself - helping them cover it up to maintain a good public persona? Either that or he touched some kids, who knows.
he may be in posession of material
photos or whatnot
which would be an offence in itself
Did Kerry Katona not name one of her kids after him?
:(
which one?
Molly
Max Clifford Katona
the :( is regardless of whether he's guilty or not
I would imagine we would find out pretty quickly if
it is a case of him having committed sex offences himself, or harbouring information on people that have. He would surely make a DLT-style statement asap along the lines of ''I didnt have nothin to do with no kids''.
There's a video of him implicating himself in covering up Conservative MP Alan Clark's abuse of teenage girls
Jesus
Shit just gets murkier by the day
shit's always been murky
seems rather that some of the waters are beginning to be unmuddied (or appear that way for the moment)
look
on youtube for star suckers footage of him boasting about protecting paedos...
Was about to mention this...
He was on there boasting 'I know everything. You wouldn't believe which celebs like to knock around with underage girls.' Loads of shit like that. So that will be awkward when they play it back to him in the interview room.
...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc6IT6ku-4M
Blimey...
Simon Cowell has paid me £250,000 a year for the last 7 years
interesting
but then he goes on to say that's for introductions to Murdoch etc
and Cowell has therefore made X million from that.
Not a nudge nudge wink wink fingers in under aged pies. (hmmm, that wasn't supposed to sound quite so wrong...)
I don't think he knows what a hospice is
Nah I think he's probably more a Chris de Burgh man
absolutely ridiculous threadsmash.
The news story says he's been arrested on 'suspicion of sex offences'
which surely implies that he is under suspicion of committing those offences himself, rather than having any knowledge of, or covering up, somebody else's, no?
possession of photographs/videos of underage sex
- the kind of stuff that might be used as blackmail of a client for example - is a sexual offence
Watching that video up there^ I wouldn't be suprised if it was something like this
(although maybe in the course of ''protecting'' his clients he's also dabbled with dodgy things, who knows)
That suspicion of sex offences bit
made me wonder if he is accused of doing stuff, or covering stuff up (which is a sex offence in itself I guess, assisting an offender). Either way he is definitely accused of something - otherwise they would make it clear he is just "helping with enquiries".
My money's on Edmonds next
(is speculation libelous?
)
probably
but I reckon Tony Blackburn
If you reckon Blackburn then Richards would be up to his neck
I just don't see it, myself.
Wendy Richards dies the other year.
*died
Chill out, Nostrodamus
Richard Branson nicked instead though as a result of mistaken identity...
*usain bolt
OH THOSE ADVERTS ARE SO SIDE-SPLITTINGLY FUNNY
it's kind of interesting that a man who, essentially, regulated the flow of exposes should be toppled in the same week that a bunch of newspaper editors got together to decide, collectively, to try to develop a veneer of decency.
they are self-regulating and they thus suddenly have less need of his kind of de facto regulation...
bets on a PR agency shopping him to the cops?