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Tory MP speaks
It could happen y'know
Student Loans used to be grants and all that
seems mental to me though
Course, it will just force people onto Incapacity Benefit (or similar), but if they can stop that happening, sure, why not? Might encourage people to not abuse the system.
as long as the 'pay back' threshold is high enough and spread thinly enough.
Though I think I agree with this line: "The government should set a new target – a Net Contribution Index – with the goal of bringing the percentage of net beneficiaries down to at least the level of a decade ago."
y'know, growing the economy and introducing a living wage etc,
just that it's a sensible target.
sounds a bit .. well, like social engineering
and totally bogus
That this wouldn't surprise me one iota.
This is a pretty monstrous idea though
- utterly undermines the concept of a universal welfare state
- massively penalises a part of society just for being young, which is basically textbook discrimination
- unfairly targets a demographic that already suffers probably the worst unemployment rate
it doesn't even make any sense.
`Why do you have all these problems, stupid? Why can't you just be more like us?!`
GET A JOB
-- A Message From Your MP
Absolutely awful idea that manages to address the symptom and not the cause of youth unemployment and smacks of well-off middle-aged people trying to get even more blood out of a stone.
Yeah, pretty much agree with you there. I’m 23 and, if I were to lose my job tomorrow, I would have had 2 and a half years of full contributions paid in to the system- why should I then expect to take any unemployment benefit as a loan? Surely the National Insurance I have paid or will eventually pay will make up for it.
Similarly, it hardly incentivises going to work, and instead normalises debt in people’s minds. The only way I can see this as being fair is if you remove the requirement for under 25s for paying National Insurance in the first place, and even then it’s proper iffy.
This is a backbench MP writing in the telegraph, so id take it with a pinch of salt.
but why does it need to be made a repayable loan? Surely if you've poaid less into the system but find a job you'll effectively be paying it back?
People under 25 would effectively be paying twice for any unemployment benefit they claim.
for many reasons already stated above.
And, y'know, what better way to create a young generation who feel like a useful, appreciated and productive part of society than by alienating them at the first hurdle!
great bunch o lads
do you think that if they expressed it as a loan, the process for accessing it would be Less Fucking Shit?
payable RIGHT AFTER YOU DIE
pay the normal amount of council tax if you owned a second or third property.
the good news is that his seat (Kingswood) is a marginal and will probably go back to Labour in 2015. Hopefully some of his 'Free Enterprise Group' mates will follow him. Also, it's pointless talking about Beveridge without a commitment to full employment - two words which are notable by their absence from this article.
Tory MP and GP Phillip Lee made a striking call this morning for patients suffering from lifestyle-related diseases such as type 2 diabetes to pay for their prescriptions as part of a larger shake-up of the NHS. He was speaking as part of a series of presentations from members of the Free Enterprise Group ahead of next week’s Autumn Statement on their proposals for spending cuts which would allow George Osborne to meet his target of having debt as a proportion of GDP falling by 2015/16.
Lee said that to ensure that people could continue to access care when they needed it, the NHS needed a fundamental reform. He told the audience at the Institute of Economic Affairs that the government and the public needed to recognise that the way the NHS had been set up for a generation of ‘stoic’ British people was now no longer viable and take steps to reform it accordingly, otherwise the health system faced what he alarmingly described as ‘collapse’.
He added: ‘If you want to have doughnuts for breakfast, lunch and dinner, fine, but there’s a cost.’
ie, taking a largely laisse faire approach to economic growth whilst reducing THE DEFICIT via cutting the state
Still, don't let that get in the way of a good ol' fashioned troll.
I thought we already paid back our benefits through TAXES. Which I will gladly pay when I get a job.
HOW ABOUT YOU STOP SPENDING MONEY ON STUPID PARLIAMENTARY BEERS BEFORE YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT PAYING ME £56 A WEEK FOR A MONTH.
Who the bloody fuck keeps voting these wankers in.
they happen roughly every 5 years.
A bunch of cunts sat in a room, thinking up unworkable ideas, which they'll not have to implement, which look good in terms of raw numbers, but do little to achieve any long term goals or growth or aim to deal with the cause of social problems.
As per usual.
I can imagine this gem being tabled in various forms over the next 3-4 years before being pushed out on a trial basis for 6 months in some unemployment black spot in an area which the current government has no seat.