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Please answer, with reference to illegal downloads killing music.
The industry is shooting itself in the foot yet again by clinging on to an archaic business model
i still get frustrated that occasionally there are Celtic games I can't attend (usually away games as i have a season ticket) that aren't shown on TV.
I'm then left with trying to find an illegal stream of Celtic TV, which are showing the game in HD quality to every country outwith the UK.
I'd happily pay £4/£5 per game for that service
Except for the bit where I get to go to more than 2 games a year as I have no season ticket and live in London.
I'd sign up for Celtic TV in an instant if games were live, in fact I'm sure a massive number for people would, judging by how packed every Celtic pub down here I've been to is. It would be a hugely viable alternative now that SPL TV rights are dropping in value. Could even set up a premium 'pub' service and charge extra for public broadcast like Sky if they wanted.
I assume you are also sick of watching pixelly figures freezeframed while listening to noisy distorted commentary on FirstRow?
the celtic tv streams are all shit now, there used to be a guy about 4 years ago who did decent quality ones on sopcast but we're left with shitty flash streams now
One of the Champs League qualifiers (can't remember which) made me want to punch a hole in my laptop, the ads just kept freezing it. Had to jump between three stream channels. Infuriating. There have been several times in the league where I've given up and tuned in to radio coverage online instead, and resigned myself to Sportscene highlights.
maybe try that?
I really need to get with the times and hop on this Adblock.
sometimes its just impossible to get a halfway decent stream of a premier league game.
I find it a lot easier than I used to. Maybe I just used to have worse skills.
I mean they're pretty shit but if it's not on Sky then I take what I can get.
maybe i'm just misremembering then
wiziwig is always spot on.
*fingers crossed you are the streaming police and this was elaborate entrapment.
im not paying sky money to watch a game.
You almost never hear anyone mentioning football any more.
Best stream there ever was.
Meaning everyone called him a bellend
Then he stopped because people were calling him a bellend instead of just acting like a functioning human being
You should be lapping that shit up.
can't compete with the service Sky Sports (and especially real life games) offer, whereas illegal music is exactly the same product.
So, no, not yet.
up until recently there was a guy "bloodzeed" providing pretty much HD quality streams of most premiership games for free
Most HD streams are proper skippy on my connection, so I just settle for a crap one that runs smoothly, but looks very average hooked up to the TV.
I admit that sooner or later they'll have to do something to stop it, but with ticket and TV rights continuing to sky rocket in price, it's hard to say that they're struggling.
And I still used Bloodzeed. What a guy.
Well, actually, he came across as a complete bellpiece. But what a service!
which is the best outside of bloodzeed i've seen, you'd need to install sopcast or run it through vlc player but it might not be worth even trying if you've got a shit connection, the channels always listed on wiziwig.eu
on referencing music. Really Hat should be complementing you but he's a rude man.
*clappity clap clap*
Some really top notch posting from me there.
Player wages are killing football.
The global 'brand' has become more important than sporting integrity.
As usual, the Germans put us to shame.
more people would go to games.
If me, my dad and my brother (he's eleven) go to a game it can cost over £100. That's just insane. And obviously it all relates to wages etc.
That's why I'm not convinced that teams are going to reintroduce safe standing. Or if they do, they won't charge substantially less than the cost of a seat. The way it works, they can't pack thousands more people in, like the old terraces, to cover the cost of cheaper tickets, and they aren't going to voluntary slash their profits because I might prefer standing.
Lot's of things work in Germany that don't work over here.
When these sort of topics arise the Man United fans are always quick to admit they prefer watching online than actually going to Old Trafford.
Never understood it. Tickets are relatively cheap and almost always available. Especially the Manchester-based ones. Why is it that it's so much more common for United fans to not go than supporters of other clubs?
This isn't a dig, i don't go nowadays myself so i'm in no position to judge, it just seems weird that United are so well-represented on here yet few, perhaps not even one of the (quite vocal) Reds on here goes regularly.
^ United!, Rag Conspiracy, Spreadsheets, etc, etc.
it stank like piss. That's all I've got.
I won't be going again until that stops being the case.
Are any of those 'quite vocal'?
Since you stopped following moneyball and winding them up, it doesn't seem like they are.
And prior to having a season ticket I would go if I could afford it.
If we're away at some shithole northern ghetto on a Tuesday night then fuck that, I'm streaming the shit out it
I'd probably pay for a service that allowed me to watch our away games EXCEPT any Saturday 3pm kick offs. They shouldn't be televised.
But after the 1245 ones, they have the worst atmospheres.
Best is Saturday 5:45, Monday 8pm and Sunday 4pm in that order
I'd broadly agree that they shouldn't be televised but now that they are everywhere but the country they're being played in it seems a bit late to be clinging onto that belief.
hearing "MCGEADY!!!" screamed among a hail of arabic was a thing of great beauty
I don't think so. The number of people who illegally stream rather than go to a local lower league game is most likely quite small, given that (relative to the number of people who follow football or subscribe to paid television) the number of people who stream football at all is quite small. What is more, there's decent evidence to suggest that mainstream access to 3pm Saturday kick offs would destroy lower league football attendances.
I think people overestimate the current impact of streaming and decoding and massively underestimate the potential impact of mainstream access.
i know into football streams at least 2 - 3 matches a week, sometimes i have 2 different ones going in my house (not that into football to stream myself)
They obviously aren't streaming 2-3 Saturday 3pm kick offs a week, unless they're a bit ... Well, y'know. And what is it they are streaming? Games that are already available from UK broadcasters, thus 'losing' Sky/ESPN revenue, not more vulnerable clubs?
I don't doubt that a large number of people stream or watch decoded football (I do doubt that they're anything more than a minority when looking at the bigger picture, but that's my speculation- the same way you and others speculate that the 'horse has already bolted'), but that's not really the issue. The issue is how many people would pull out of lower league, grass roots football if you didn't have to stream or go somewhere with a decoder. Television coverage as it is has coincided, many believe correlated, with lower attendances elsewhere in English football.
Anyway, the best argument against it is that Liverpool want to screen their own 3pm Saturday games and they are wrong about pretty much everything.
I totally agree that they shouldn't be televised as that would definitely impact attendances etc but given there are a significant number of people that are already streaming 3pm KOs illegally (and by proxy are not attending matches lower-league or otherwise) I don't know why there is a reluctance to provide a legal equivalent.
All conjecture obviously but I don't think there is a significant amount of people who aren't already steaming illegally who would suddenly start because a legal alternative was provided.
If a legal alternative to streaming had no impact on the number of people streaming football (*potentially* instead of going to lower league games), what would be the purpose of offering such a service? It's notable that neither Sky or ESPN, for all their buying power, have never made a concerted effort to acquire the Saturday 3pm market. Being pretty cynical about Sky's motives, I can only presume that inaction is because they don't see it as a lucrative move and not because they have much respect for a deal they agreed 20 years ago.
I think the horse bolting analogy is flawed- a couple of ponies may have sneaked out but the derby winners are still very much in the stable for the time being.
Not that I give one fuck about ESPN/Sky's income, it just seems like an untapped market to me and if it got rid of all the frustrations of the current illegal streams I'd probably take advantage. (Not that I actually would, I use a very reliable paysite already)
If we can go back to the music industry as the thread dictated we must, I think we're going to see a similar pattern emerging with football. Of course the number of people streaming illegally is relatively small at the minute but so was the amount of people using Napster or whatever initially. It's only going to grow and the industry needs to do something to pre-empt it's growth.
I'm not sure it isn't (there doesn't seem to be much decent evidence either way), but I don't think there's a particularly elegant comparison to be made with music. I also wonder if SKY/ESPN are really losing revenue by not screening Saturday 3pm kick offs- how much would those rights cost to acquire? How would broader coverage affect the marketability of their existing coverage? Again, the cynic in me says that if there was actually money to be making there, they'd be making it. Or at least would have tried harder to make it.
The industry is doing fine- a couple of landmark court cases have gone very much its way in the last year or so. There's no need for it to further tighten its stranglehold on the game.
So I'm going to stop, it's making me feel dirty.
is ridiculous. let them burn i say, utter fascists