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About time i say. I have to say, stuff like this makes me like Ed more.
I think Mental health is a huge taboo and I know that I have, in the past, been guilty of saying some ill thought out things about people with mental health problems. It wasn't until I had personal experiences of the difficulties that these entail that my perception and attitude changed.
bit confused about the format. has he "leaked" his speech? why?
But depressingly an obvious political move.
Rivals smashing up the NHS? Taking benefits from the mentally ill and disabled? Well say the opposite to them and look like a good bloke.
Might not be the case but difficult to believe otherwise.
the end of the day, all we can do is take him at his word.
It seems very detailed his plans, so i think it may be more than flim flam at this stage.
Good luck with that one.
with people's attitudes to mental health.
That's one GIANT quantum leap in your mind there.
I don't trust a life long, careerist politician. That's all. I strongly, strongly agree with what he's saying. But I don't trust him.
Don't tar me with some ignorance brush thanks.
Probably for the best that you don't post in here anymore.
okay. fine. but your lumping of all people with mental and physical disabilities together screamed ignorance to me. I'm sure you're a swell guy.
adds to my pleasure.
he really could be a credible candidate to run the country. seems a nice chap, though.
Or maybe he could be a credible candidate to run the country *despite* not having a great personality, so that we can stop elections being a stupid superficial popularity contest anyway?
previous statement retracted
Jeremy Clarkson and Janet Street Porter are pretty easy targets though aren't they, might as well have just said it was all Jimmy Saville's fault.
actually, c_r wouldn't say this specifically, but the simple nature of your argument bares more than a resemblance to the turgid bile he spouts on this issue.
so you're a supporter of the living wage, then?
its just that there's not a single piece of evidence from history that shows it to be true.
I think it's time for you to appreciate you don't really know anything about anything, because your assumption to the contrary is starting to get quite irritating.
alright buddy. your thoughts have been taken on board.
But then you know that don't you.
I'm not going to spend my day looking for literature that contradicts you, so here's the first piece the popped up on Google: http://www.brown.uk.com/brownlibrary/groh2.pdf
First line of the preface: "Poverty is one of the most consistent correlates of depression as well as other mental health disorders." Feel free to track down Belle & Doucet, 2003, or anything else that you think may be informative.
yes, it goes on to clarify that poverty is the cause of such mental health disorders, rather than the effect.
I'm saying that just having clothing, food and shelter suddenly solves most cases of depression/mental illness is complete bullshit (and that was the jist if Sheeet's post above that I as commenting on).
Or do you think ony poor people can get depressed?
I said "Having to choose between eating and being warm sounds pretty depressing to me", and you said "it also has nothing to do with mental illness". It empirically does have something to do with mental illness. Saying it doesn't is just as misinformed and just as harmful as saying it always does.
My point is: mental illness can effect anyone regardless of status or situation.
So the comment: making everyone rich again... would solve at least 73% of our mental health problems.
is rubbish. Sure it might make some people happier but I can guarantee you that if you're depressed and someone gives you a million pounds it doesn't automatically make the depression go away. If that depression has it's roots in poverty than maybe if will but for most people it won't change the way they feel.
See graph at the bottom of this page:
Yes, poorer people do tend to report lower happiness (and hence experience higher stresses which may trigger depression) but it's clear that, above subsistence levels, a more significant proportion of mental well-being is influenced by one's personal relationships and one's genetics.
Also, in rich countries I suspect inequality, almost as much as poverty, doesn't help. If everyone around you is better-off, you're gonna feel like a failure.
So what we really need is community service for all the crazies and they'll be right as rain. Perfect. Don't know what Ed's on about with needing more awareness about mental illness, everyone here's got a fine grasp of all it's intricacies.
but honestly, it isn't that simple.
I can't really put into words what it is but if getting people to do menial work was the elixir to 'curing' depression it would have been done. But it isn't that. Sorry.
ps start your cooking thread again that was ace.
dont work like that
Improving access to mental health treatment/prevention will help make everyone rich again.
people comparing all discrimination to racism and sexism etc. eurgh
Dude needs some sideburns. Can't trust a man without sideburns.
but did you change it because everyone realised you were a fucking idiot?
borderline JSP stuff in this thread. come on, man.
i think a society that targets mental wellbeing in the same way that we currently target GDP growth would be a really good society and pretty much the best one i can imagine.
That's all i think though really i don't have many other ideas.
That we shouldn't point at depressed people in the street and laugh? Depression is a private thing for most - are mentally ill people really that discriminated against?
or should just 'snap out of it' or 'cheer up' or whatever.