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8/10. I particularly enjoyed it when it turned into Home Alone.
I loved it generally. 9/10.
Love the little nods to the old Bonds
...I like the ooooh when the garage revealed the Aston Martin.
Visually impressive, however lacked a solid storyline.
They don't have storylines.
Just explosions, killing and the occasional one-liner
Casino Royale proves you can have bond and an engrossing story without an OTT cartoon villain.
pretty decent Bond, that. 7/10
lots of grizzly shit and one 'f' word.
...for a 12A
and far from a cartoon.
and not in a campy way like bond foes before.
The latter part of the sentence maybe (though I don't 100% remember the plot), but it certainly didn't have Bond.
It was fairly Bond by numbers. Maybe knock a half point further off for a daft ending (like, what difference does it make if Bond arrives 3 minutes later?)
Almost Ledger-as-Joker-esque towards the end.
I thought it was great. Brilliant, even. And better than CR.
I can't remember a Bond film where I've genuinely felt that much of a sense of threat and danger. Obviously it's a Bond so deep down you know he'll ultimately get out of it but at times I really couldn't see how.
It's a 9/10 for me and I'm not even a massive Bond fan.
they had to make it believable that he would get out of it. and i dont think it really was, at all.
With you on the Home Alone thing.
Was a bit 39 Steps when they schlurped outta London in the Aston, and pulled up in the middle of the highlands in the blink of an eye. There was at least time for a quick scene of them having a wee break at one of the A1 services.
Did anyone else feel a bit uncomfortable about the scene in the shower?
Okay, Bond is meant to be a superb seducer of women and all that but surely if you met a woman who says (or at least strongly implies) they're being physically, sexually and emotionally abused by someone then turning up in their room and approaching them when they're naked in the shower is a pretty dodgy thing to do?
In a way it was kind of good in that it reinforced the idea Bond is in many ways an exploitative bastard but I wasn't entirely sure if that was what most of the audience'd pick up from it...
but he's done MUCH worse. Eg trick a virgin into bogging him
*some time passes, no indication is given of consent*
hiya! how's about that then?
plenty of cringey shite bits
a few visually great bits
and THAT WASN'T TEMPLE STATION!!!!LOLOL!!!!!!!!!
they wanted a station with the location of temple, but not the layout
I liked that they visited the stations in the correct order
urgh. guys its ok, i use temple station most days
Javier was good but too hammy. That bit where he removed half his face was a nice touch, though.
The first 30 mins or so were great and then it lost focus, and do we really need to learn about Bond's childhood? I preferred him as a blank slate.
I wish M had stabbed Silva instead of Bond - it would have been more fitting and made her look less like a feeble old woman. Glad they killed her off, though...old bat. Looking forward to more Fiennes.
"Btw, what's your surname?" "Eve...Moneypenny". Groan...just awful. If he's already shagged her then all the subsequent flirting isn't going to have much resonance.
The film seemed to imply she shaved him in a contrived yet erotic way and then left. I remember because it struck me as a bit strange.
I'm more puzzled why, if she's a trained and experienced agent with a clear grasp of strategy, she can't get something other than some secretarial work...
the innuendos between them after seemed pretty explicit. also, as above, he's a rapist.
although you know what - and this goes for Javier too - Quantum of Solace showed us how utterly boring life can be if you go hyper-realistic with the genre. It was earth-shatteringly dull. Bond has always benefitted from a touch of the english farce, and from the DB5 to the hammyness of Javier to, yes, even the equivalent of "you should use your real name, Robin" face-palm moment at the end... i'm okay with it. It's not supposed to be hyper realism.
is not the opposite of hyper-realism
that Bond didn't already know the surname of an agent he worked with in the field.
why not just have a visible sign that that was her name, or another character saying her name?
maybe 8/10 though for the komodo dragon bit
too much M. Bardem was good but i didn't really feel enough about him and his motivations. also there was kinda too much london this time weirldy I felt. plus a few other continuity bits that you always get in bond that were annoying - how did he get onto the roof of the train? how did he survive being shot and falling off a viaduct? would you really be fighting underwater if you had just fallen into an icy lake?
that's part of the joy. He just DOES all of those things, because he's better than you
is that the fight sequences actually made sense, continuity-wise.
not that i think there was a problem with him getting onto the roof of the train or taking a bullet
I am definitely not worrying whether the fight sequences are entirely logically choreographed.
CUT TO: POV from ccdLOL, holding dick
the biggest laugh in my cinema was when bond suggested that it was possible that he'd fucked a man before. didn't like that. was silva the first explicitly gay (possibly bi, but he didnt look into that kiss with that lady) bond villain?
I kind of love that the first time Bond finally takes the plunge with a gay lead character they go hilariously OTT with it and make him european party-boy fun time
international man of mystery, big fan of seducing people to get his own way etc, having sex with a man. seems entirely obvious that he would at some point give a blowie for some infoz
As such it was funny for Bond to reply nonchalantly in a winky *I'm game if you are* way, but clearly I haven't invested the time into thinking about Bond's back story to realise he was making a factual statement about his sexual past
FELT LIKE SAM MENDES WAS SEXUALLY MANIPULATING MY PEEPS
They weren't the main villains though I guess
has had a few criticisms in the press. She's been described as "awkward" and having no chemistry with Craig/Bond.
Can't say I agree. in fact, did anyone else think that Bérénice Marlohe can't act for toffee?
Looked like she had early Parkinsons.
The Home Alone line was pretty much verbatim what I came in to post
but, along with the whole childhood angle, i dont really like the idea of james bond films having continuity of any kind.
i know that everyone spent the whole film calling him old, but if you're essentially saying that '60s james bond is literally the same as '10s, you're making him at lewast 70 years old
obviously not a very serious complaint or a very serious film, just a bit o' fun, but whatever, it's weird and i dont like it
Fortunately, when you've got a director of Mendes' quality on board then you know you're getting a solid film no matter the source material. The cinematography was also excellent I thought, particularly when Bond was fighting Patrice in the tower - very memorably imagery. But as I said, I don't think the screenwriters know how professional grown ups speak to each other. And why did Bond say 'Of course he is' three times? It was mildly amusing when he said it after being told Q was afraid of flying but it was just odd and unnecessary the next two times. Poor writing that.
1st time was the Q example mentioned above. Second time was on being told Silva was dressed as a policeman. The third time was 'of course it is' but can't remember about what.
it can be his thing that he says
Literally 20-30 minutes of adverts (some starring Daniel Craig) before the trailers...just ridiculous.
People were saying that this film had the most product placement of any Bond film so far but, after all that, I didn't even notice.
and advertised on the tube
teh whole thing is very lifestyle porn
as you do. in an mi6 bunker.
I wondered if the macallan at the beach bar was paid for placement cos it was kinda subtle (the label was largely hidden). Then it cropped up again two minutes later on in another scene, so it was defo placement. In contrast to that, the SONY beach bar telly was anything but subtle.
dont think M would be on the courvoisier. bit cheap for her
So MI6 uses Vaios. People use Vaios. Bond drinks a Heineken. People drink Heineken.
It's a bit stupid when the say an actual brand for no reason e.g. vw beetles, Omega, but who cares really.
really doesn't strike me as true. not saying it isnt hto
to make a jimmy b movie?
The film got made because Sony co-funded it and because Heineken gave them an absolute bomb - film cost roughly £100m of which Heineken provided £23m
VW Beetles, ma'am
i know they are contractually obliged to make them wedge the film title into the song somewhere, but it really isn't far off zxcvbnm-s Skyfall na na na na
Sky is falling do do do do
I imagine a George Formby version of it would be better.
Everyone pisses their pants as if it's going to be better than it's ever been before, and then it's always a bit shit.
Plus, Sam Mendes hasn't directed a decent film in his life.
American Beauty probably the biggest lol of all.
I was watching it just thinking 'this is SO SO good'. Without doubt the best Bond film of my lifetime. Had everything and making M an integral part of the story was probably the best decision the film-makers could have made.
bardem's cyanide happy teeth, his odd campness in general
all the action sequences until they get to skyfall
it made me long for a new series of archer
Q being Moss from the IT crowd crossed with Simon Amstell
things i didn't like:
the puns seemed like they felt obliged to put them in and were really tame
old man kinkade the friendly bearded groundsman, wtf scoob?
computers being a vague cop-out explanation for any improbable situation
occasional out of character stupidity, like M deciding to use a torch when trying to sneak away
for a 2+ hour film, they didn't really develop characters I guessed I was meant to care about it some way
Not great then.
the best bond villains are the ones that are camp
I was worried it would be a retread of his No Country For Old Men character, but I wasn't expecting such high camp.
I know it's widely agreed that this shits on Quantum of Solace, but it reminded me of leaving Quantum of Solace, and immediately after the film, I had no recollection of a) who the villain was, b) who played the villain, C) what his plan was, d) how Bond stopped the plan and e) if he lived or died.
The Polish cinema I was in LOVED Q.
If you've seen this post but not most of the thread, and are going to see the film, you should probably click elsewhere for now.
then you pretty much deserve to be told that Judi Dench dies, Ralph Fiennes becomes the new M, Naomi whatsherface (Moneypenny) shoots Bond, Q has invented an invisibility cloak which allows him to hand 007 a gun in front of the most famous painting in Britain, and Javier Bardem (who used to be an MI6 agent) dies with a knife in his back and an "ah fuck I can't believe you've done this" pissed-off expression on his face. Did I miss anything? Oh yeah, Bond and M find Hagrid hiding in a Scottish house (called SKYFALL) and he joins them in shooting up some bad guys. Cool story bro.
had a snarky go at me for revealing that the film contains Moneypenny (along with all the other classic Bond tropes). I didn't even say who plays her, just that the film has her in it. He seemed pretty angry with me.
It really does seem to be a cut and shut of two different films jammed together, one of which may not be a Bond film.
I enjoyed the silohuette of Daniel Craig's jug ears when he broke into M's flat.
I thought that Bérénice Marlohe was very affecting and genuinely appeared to be scared silly.
Couldn't quite work out why Silva suddenly seemed to be literally dying and exhausted at the end of the film when all he had done was climb out of a helicopter and gone for a little walk about.
I don't see what Silva had to be such a pussy about.
he went round casually lobbing grenades into it and giggling away. It was pretty much already on fire when the helicopter crashed into it and it exploded a bit.
He went from being an evil delighted genius to being a maniac who could barely walk and was desperately twisted by rage over the course of about 30 seconds.
Also, WTF happened to M? She too was running around like nobody's business. Then because she's bleeding out of her back a bit, she suddenly drops dead.
I love Sam Mendes a lot, but this was wank by his standards.
Really enjoyed it, cheers.
QoS > S > CR
reviews ruined it both because you knew exactly what was going to happen throughout the film and because the meta stuff really got on my nerves. Also Javier Bardem made the rest of the cast look a bit daft.
There was a bit where Severin said "Not like this, not him" to Bond at the Chinese bar. It was lifted word for word from another film but I spent ages trying to remember which one. Also when Bond is running away from the house exploding, it was shot and looked exactly like how it did in another Bond film, but, again, couldn't remember which.
Don't know how I feel about Ralph Fiennes being M. V good actor but don't understand why he took the part and it'll feel weird with him as M.
The ending where Monypenny revealed her surname and Bond called M "M" really annoyed me. I don't know who in the world wouldn't have gleaned that.
Got pretty bored of it. He runs funny, doesn't he? But yeah Casino Royale was miles better.
I hate going to big multiplex cinemas. They attract such dribbling morons it's unreal.
In mission impossible 3 - now THAT's funny.
Excellent opening except, whats with not having the traditional bond through the gun barrel bit at the end not the beginning
Middle section dragged on until Bardem was introduced: classic bond villain (although reminded me too much of Christopher Walken in View to a Kill (the worst bond film)
But seriously, 2 and half hours for a bond film? Fair too overlong
posted on DiS a few times back in't'day
Robin doing the same in Dark Knight Rises for massive audience groan
Comfortably the best Bond film released during my adult lifetime imo.
That said, the bits I got most excited about were location spots. Ooh, I used to work in that building he goes to in Shanghai that is actually out the back of Liverpool Street. Look! The New Cross Inn and The Venue!
but are we supposed to know/care who saved Bond from drowning?
just as it segues into the starting sequence, with the hand becoming a giant hand, dragging him under. Cue Adele.
Seems like an important plot point to me.
Just seems too much of a stretch to accept that he was drowning, then supposedly just washed up on a shore somewhere and is completely fine, even in Bond world.
Seems like very lazy scriptwriting.
I think this is the first Bond I've paid money to see at the cinema, which possibly made me more disappointed.
If this had been on TV over Xmas in a few years, I'd think it was brilliant.
Bardem was good; fighting was good; I quite like Daniel Craig; Naomie Harris looks nice but she wasn't very well-written; too much Judi Dench.
You made a joke, it was like a uranium balloon, let it go.
Monique Bond on the gravestone - surely that stands for M?
"At least I got one thing right" staring at him at the end. Classic 'son' reference. Shirley?
She just meant she at least employed one decent person.
Pretty sure if she was his Mum then: 1) He wouldn't be an orphan 2) She'd have known about the house. And the secret tunnel. And the games keeper.
...but maybe it was a conspiracy of silence. I suppose not every film needs a Darth Vader moment...
Note this: The tradition of the head of MI6 signing their name with a single letter came from Mansfield Smith-Cumming, who would sign his initial "C" with green ink.
So the head of MI6 in real life is supposedly referred to as 'C'. Frederick Forsyth claimed in the Fourth Protocol that Fleming used 'M' as nod to this, taking the initial of his first name, 'Mansfield', although the Wikipedia page doesn't actually state that. In the books M's real name was Miles Messervy or something like that.
Err, which is a long way of saying the character's always called M and always will be.
Best Bond film since Goldeneye for me. Don't understand why people like Casino Royale; it has none of the charm or sense of wonder of the 'classic' early Bond films and replaces it with po-faced faux realism.
Cast was all excellent, really liked the addition of Ben Whishaw as Q and Fiennes as M. Moneypenny is a bit regressive. Bardem was superb, best villain in a long time.
Loved the Shanghai skyscraper scene.
But I hate the way everything has to be self referential and sentimental nowadays. It's exactly my problem with Doctor Who. No one needs to know the backstory. If you make a good show/film based on a successful template, everything else doesn't matter.
It would be more unusual to make a great Bond film nowadays based on the existing template, rather than fucking around with it.
Generally some great stuff (Bardem, Fiennes and his office, the cinematography, M being the Bond girl, the Aston Martin appearance) and some awful (product placement though I know that's what got the film made, the fucking elongated flirty dialogue, cgi stunts, holding onto a lift for 40 floors).
It was basically The Dark Knight though.
Slight odd ball has elaborate plan to get captured, breaks out of the secret base, dresses as cop to assassinate high ranking figures, sort of losses the plot by getting so consumed by revenge. He even had a dodgy half a face. Poor show writers...
*title sequence and theme tune in a Bond movie in years. Maybe since Goldeneye.
That means it's beaten Titanic's combined haul of cash.
(Yeah yeah, inflation fucks this up, but who cares?)
And I really wanted to love it.
I thought the script felt really cobbled together. Bond's gap yah in Thailand served no purpose. The Chinese prostitute character seemed interesting but then was quickly murdered off camera. His unfitness for service, really laboured at the start, never really came up again etc etc etc...
And this was probably the least of it's problems. Very pretty film though. Love Roger Deakins.
the chinese prostitute character was murdered ON camera, by the bad guys after they tried to goad Bond into shooting at her
the Thailand bit seemed a bit unneccessary, but it looked fucking great so who cares
The plot was sketchy in my mind.
Former, disgruntled MI6 agent comes back to reek havoc ... and the Austin Powers thing comes to mind: 'just shoot her, shoot in the head' and let's be done with it.
So yeah, wasn't happy with villian's motivation. And overall it was simplistic, without the sort of plot twists and turns the Bourne movies have.
that the producers have finally twigged that a 'baddie' in a Bond film should be an incredibly vicious psychopathic bastard. i'm thinking we have Chris Nolan and Heath Ledger to thank for this. i'm grateful!