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hes such as bullshit faker isnt he? this show is so made up its unreal
but to be fair to him, he's never claimed to be a magician or anything.
he's an entertainer, only not very entertaining.
but some of his stuff is so so easily found out its ridiculous. tbhat show he did where he claimed to make people sit in their seat and unable to move? fuck off
People I'd trust
has so many flaws
this is incredible
lets keep driving to this killers gig, of who hes a massive fan but not heard of this secret gig, dodging them while everyone sits there not screaming. oh wait, theres crowds of people coming out of the woods
He probably just uses really gullible people.
this guy wouldnt have bbc news/nasa first open on his ipad whatever.
so it's probs just a handufl of ocassions like
didn't loads of people confess to this a while back, and some of his film crew say how in things like the betting piece where people were like "wow, it worked, my horse won because of him" or whatever, that was like 1% of the people actually filmed. I definitely heard some confessions but I can't remember if they were public or if I was just talking to people who'd worked with him
which he explained during the show how it worked? yeah he really pulled the wool over everyone's eyes.
that system one - i can't remember but didn't they have footage of the girl who was winning throughout the show? they couldn't have done that with everyone they initially contacted?
i might be remembering this wrong
so he had footage of whoever it was that ended up winning. then just filmed them all when they were down to the last 6 or whatever.
like the anonymous instructions he was sending out with the tips said on it like "keep a little video diary, blah blah"
It was the whole point of the show. It's easy to believe something when you only see part of the process.
that advert, I dont believe jonathan ross hasnt watched the sopranos,
but neither have i. might watch tonight
there's a risk that in a situation like that fight or flight mentality could kick in and someone could just start sparking people out?
but they've obviously rigorously psychologically tested them so that they don't just pick up the nearest chair and start whacking zombies with it
i'm not watching this though, and tbf some of his showier stuff is a bit underwhelming, but he's generally ace. His live performances that channel 4 sometimes show are always amazing.
I went to see him about 2 years ago and my friend got chosen to go onstage, she said eveything he did involving her was legit, didn't secretly whisper anything to her or something like that.
Scottish and Irish voices give off a natural authority.
i'd believe that Scottish guy, 100%, just from the tone of his voice.
but authority as well.
there's absolutely no chance anyone would fall for this. there just aren't that many people that listen to XFM.
alarm bells were ringing
but i think most people actually would fall for it.
must be hard to differentiate between a situation like that and dreaming.
i don't think it's that far-fetched that you could put someone in a trance, wake them up in the middle of nowhere and they might not know how to react.
but better acting and stuff
still furious at this
if you get a guys friends/family/etc on board, you can easily get away with it. plus it's fucking Derren Brown; he can pretty much do what he wants, within reasonable boundaries. and he's incredibly smart and very responsible, and as ever, it's all very carefully organised to prevent things going badly wrong.
and just because a (relatively) smart person wouldn't fall for it doesn't mean there aren't predictable, easily manipulared simpos who would.
i wonder if the fella realised when he went to the paper shop and saw how none of the papers were reporting it
obviously most people would be impossible to manipulate like that, but this guy is, like, Prince Momo. the perfect div.
but you can't change someone's entire world.
the build up was done really subtley over only a few days. the guy is pretty small town; routine, predictable, not much going on. plus, the story was seeded in a way that would suggest it was just rumour or a possible non-story.
and he probably isn't a cunning manipulator of the interwebs like us canny Googlers. although they obviously had a complete handle on any investigative web use.
a simpleton, though.
I might have believed it was true if he hadn't lost all credibility with the Russian roulette and predict the lottery split screen freeze frame
probably never bought a paper.
it was all implied. nobody told him outright LOOK THE WORLD IS GOING TO END. his mind has played as much a part in this as derren.
I know I for one haven't phoned many people on the US east coast checking it's true and getting it independently verified. I'll just go with what I see on telly.
On the ethics thing - when you agree to do these things you sign up to so many terms and conditions that practically waiver your human rights. You sign your life away to anything. The only comeback you then have is if you experience any mental distress as a result of the actions. Derren deals with this angle by saying that the person is under hypnosis at all times and he can control the level of emotions felt and that there are a team of psychologists present at all time to monitor for any signs of distress. Completely legit under UK laws backed up by the fact the subject always reports that they totally enjoyed the experience.
the brilliance of this is the elimination process to produce the perfect momo to fall for these shennanigans.
people involved in his things are always some variety of div. my sister ended up on stage doing the medium behind a curtain thing when we saw him on the last tour. she's just really suggestible.
the lottery thing was a bit mental, though. I figure that was one where the suggestibility was in people watching and believing it to be real.
the chair stick one.
you just called a person that had been diagnosed with a personality disorder a 'huge attention seeker'. well done.
i'm not even going to answer this properly because it's a) you and b) the daily mail
I haven't watched the show yet, am going to do it in a while.
just seen it. oh, derren. yeah, without suggestibility and seriously indepth forward-planning he wouldn't get anywhere with his ~illusions~, but i really doubt they wouldn't bother covering up any relevant traces of him being an actor.
until he started doing the big stunts which were quite clearly staged yet still would protest they were real even after people provided proof.
I went to see him live and noticed many things which i knew were simple tricks dressed up as something else and the audience participation was cringe inducing because some of it was so badly acted.
i absolutely love how wound up people get about whether or not it's real. people are just incapable of letting go and admitting that they don't know the answer or don't understand something. it's great to be able to just watch him do his thing. couldn't care less if it's real or not.
i think i'd be slightly disappointed if it wasn't real (though i think it is). still, not work getting worked up about.
stuff like that is better unknown i think. the same that i don't really want to know HOW a trick is done i think i don't want to know whether or not the stuff he does is real. it's the same thing. it is uncomfortable admitting you don't know something i suppose. a lot of people (especially on here) struggle with it)
I love a good hoax
you don't have to lie every day.
I don't think there is much skill to it as Derren Brown isn't doing this alone. He's got a load of actors and had channel 4 pump a load of money into what is essentially a massive film set. Okay maybe he put him to sleep but I've been hypnotized and it took like 20 minutes for me to go under and that was in a bed, with a blanket and headphones and calming music.
The girl who he had to look after was a TERRIBLE actress.
but i like him and i'm willing to believe he doesn't use stooges etc.
i much prefer his more low key work than these massive productions tho. I liked his Trick or Treat series.
can you do that? i reckon i could do that
yet every time people are like 'this one is DEFINITELY real'.
Its like people refused to believe those street magicians use camera tricks when they clearly do. Some people would rather believe DBrown could truly go through his life hypnotising people at will and predicting lottery numbers but choosing not to.
a suspension of belief?
stooges its pretty hard to be impressed.
or camera tricks.
maybe that's just me going along with it.
It doesn't really make sense to me that when he can do some cool stuff without going down the stooges route, why he would resort to that technique.
from a quick look on google this apocolypse thing had continuity errors suggesting acting...
lottery thing being camera trickery is debatable, i imagine it could well be - that's still a pretty good trick even if it is.
It's just a short shot edited in unchronologically. It would only be an error if it was being broadcast live.
I know she isn't a stooge.
He says himself that they are all tricks! He never claims to possess magical or psychic powers and his stuff actually sets out to prove that these things don't actually exist.
What he CAN do is influence easily suggestible minds and manipulate situations to make them appear extraordinary. Lots of people can do this but he does it with pizazz and creativity, which is why he is popular and successful.
I think he does get mixed up a bit between power of the mind stuff and just downright trickery (e.g. the lottery thing), and I wish he would just stick to the former because there is no disputing that it works. Watching him manipulate people's minds is far more entertaining and genuine than the silly tricks and massive stunts (which are still pretty entertaining).
except i'm glad he does big stuff as well. it makes the whole thing more vague which is generally good. like it's hard to know where the line is really between stuff which is an actual skill and everything that is some weird setup
Like the one where he made that guy think he murdered someone and he turned himself into the police. That was great. And the horse racing one which turned out to be a massive con (which he revealed himself at the end of the program) was really interesting.
all those cluedo references though, people can be a bit dumb
how did the horseracing one turn out to be a con, was he just using stooges again?
i watched that one, and remember thinking it could quite easily be pulled off with hypotherapy.
most of these sort of people use stooges, i'm pretty sure of that.
he did with an initial pool of 7 thousand people or something, and we only saw the one that worked.
that he did by just getting filmed flicking a coin for 9 hrs until he got 10 in a row
they just texted people different winners every round til they were down to a number of people who had received all five correct tips.
a bit rubbish, but fair play for thinking it up and pulling it off.
as i said above, people need to realise that he's just an entertainers and nothing more. personally, i don't find it very entertaining, but having a heart attack because IT'S NOT MAGIC is a bit silly.
that he was picking the winners for this one lady. I think it was something like 6 in a row. But what he was actually doing was also contacting hundreds of other people and this lady happened to be the one out of these hundreds of people who had 5 winners in a row (they were eliminated once their horse lost). Something like that. He demonstrated how it worked by spending hours and hours flipping a coin until he got 10 heads in a row.
there's method behind my much-loved £1 weekend football accumulator feature.
'What he CAN do is influence easily suggestible minds and manipulate situations'
it's not Derren, though.
dressed up as some kind of mind control.
Are you saying he can't do that and the hundreds of people (including my mum) he's played mental tricks on are all actors? :') Equity must be fucking booming.
just remembered that one where the studio audience were making all that bad shit happen to that guy then they pretended he got run over at the end in an accident and all the audience felt proper fucking bad after they had been so nasty. haha, that was great
who are able to make solid life choices that improve the situations of themselves and the people around them even if they are not friends or acquaintances.
like what i am capable of
i'm surprised you have the time to mix with us mere mortals, tbh.
i like him and everything but that was properly shit
but the payoff at the end was good. the realisation for those people that they had basically just been doing all this awful stuff and that they weren't anonymous at all was good
what with him being the host of the show and everything - would have been much better if he had got dale winton or someone to play the host part
of possibility that he could do something like that though. dunno
i find it near impossible to believe that you wouldn't be expecting something to kick off if you went to see him presenting a show like that.
Someone told me about this being really good. My flatmate had it on yesterday when I got in.
One of the worst things about it is how he keeps hammering home the idea that this guy "takes life for granted". The fact this is visualised by them filming him slouched on the sofa in his underpants watching telly, unshaven, was insulting to anyone with a grain of intelligence. When I saw that I went to get changed.
When I came back he was looking at a wall of "MISSING" posters. After the girl had fully spoken her lines, and given them time to breathe, he found the one his family had supposedly put up. Perfectly paced. That's not how real life works. People step on eachother's lines in real life all the time. And we don't react like films.
If you're watching this programme and falling for it, then you're a dribbling moron. If you're watching it cos it's fun, fair enough but there's loads of other stuff on that's better yknow. Watching some people pretend to do a zombie apocalypse? Nah fanks.
what a loada balls.
happy ever after
Had to suspend disbelief a little and have chosen to believe it (have joined the cat race cult). I'm sure two questions would plagued me if i had been the subject. 1) why did the petson who has been shaving me not clean up that mouldy sandwich. 2) this is all a bit too 28 days later isn't it? Tbf the kinda of deal with by explaining how suggestible he is. Still i enjoyed it and cried like a twat.
Trick or Treat
All to some degree either great TV and/or genius at work.
Most of his other stuff pales in comparison, and really his output gets weaker by the year.
Love him to bits though!