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Jordan_229_2 [Edit] [Delete] 196 replies 10:30, 23 October '12

F* erguson draws a line under the Rio/shirt debacle, stating communication issues for what happened. (FERGIE FORCED TO BACK DOWN)

* John Terry to captain Chelsea wearing an anti-racism armband. Like everyone else will be doing. Another non-story.

* Barcelona host Celtic in a game that will surely end 20-0.

* On top of the Champions League games there is a full schedule of Championship games tonight (i think), one of them perhaps Dougie Freedman's last match as Crystal Palace manager (i think).

These threads have been getting later and later, so here's one that is nice and early.

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oh no a stray asterick! It looks like i'm doing that embarassing C*ltic thing

Jordan_229_2 | 23 Oct '12, 10:31 | X
Away at dirty, dirty Wolves tonight

I'm quietly optimistic. We looked so much more fluid with the ball at the weekend and can go through teams if we play like that again. Just need to tighten up at the back, which will come. Hopefully.

I'll go for a 2-1 us or 2-2.

Verbal | 23 Oct '12, 10:33 | X
Oh and re: Freedman...

I'm pretty underwhelmed. Gartside has repeatedly (and worryingly) stated that it is vital we get promoted at the first go. Is Freedman the man to do that? I don't know.

Verbal | 23 Oct '12, 10:34 | X
- No managerial achievements of note...
  
  ...except doing an admittedly fine job at a club where he is an absolute hero.
  
  Not disputing his ability or achievements or anything, just seems like a bit of a risky appointment.
  
  Bring back Colin Todd I say.
  
  GetOffMyLawn @Verbal | 23 Oct '12, 10:36 | X
  - aye
    
    it is a risk. Especially after the last one, which was a risk which cost us.
    
    I hope he gets a fair crack at the whip.
    
    Verbal @GetOffMyLawn | 23 Oct '12, 10:39 | X
    - Oh he will.
      
      If anything, Gartside seems to give his substandard managers a bit too fair a crack at the proverbial whip.
      
      GetOffMyLawn @Verbal | 23 Oct '12, 10:44 | X
      - IDK
        
        He got rid of Sammy Lee pretty sharpish. Megson was probably at the right time but he was too close to Coyle. Coyle should have gone last year.
        
        Hopefully this experiment works out a little better.
        
        Verbal @GetOffMyLawn | 23 Oct '12, 10:48 | X
  - Freedman's only done well for short periods too.
    
    Palace were dire between January and the beginning of September...
    
    theguywithnousername @GetOffMyLawn | 23 Oct '12, 15:42 | X
Hey everyone

Guess which former Premiership goalkeeper I saw in a lift this morning?

Steved | 23 Oct '12, 10:37 | X
- Eike Immel
  
  GetOffMyLawn @Steved | 23 Oct '12, 10:38 | X
- Actually...
  
  Jamie Theakston?
  
  GetOffMyLawn @Steved | 23 Oct '12, 10:39 | X
- Mark Bosnich.
  
  Verbal @Steved | 23 Oct '12, 10:40 | X
- Ian Walker
  
  Jordan_229_2 @Steved | 23 Oct '12, 10:41 | X
- Shaka Hislop
  
  SenorDingDong @Steved | 23 Oct '12, 10:42 | X
- Pegguy Arphexhad
  
  Verbal @Steved | 23 Oct '12, 10:43 | X
- All good guesses so far
  
  All wrong.
  
  Steved @Steved | 23 Oct '12, 10:44 | X
- John Lukic
  
  Verbal @Steved | 23 Oct '12, 10:44 | X
- CLUE
  
  Still playing.
  
  Steved @Steved | 23 Oct '12, 10:50 | X
  - Paul Robinson
    
    _TheBeautifulOnes_ @Steved | 23 Oct '12, 10:52 | X
- David James
  
  Verbal @Steved | 23 Oct '12, 10:51 | X
- Charles Itandje
  
  brusma @Steved | 23 Oct '12, 11:07 | X
- CLUE 2
  
  Scandinavian. Can someone get this before lunch please? I have a meeting all afternoon.
  
  Steved @Steved | 23 Oct '12, 11:09 | X
  - Antti Niemi
    
    waffle @Steved | 23 Oct '12, 11:10 | X
  - Kasper Schmeichel
    
    waffle @Steved | 23 Oct '12, 11:12 | X
  - Peter Enckleman
    
    Verbal @Steved | 23 Oct '12, 11:26 | X
  - You don't mean Jussi, do you?
    
    Verbal @Steved | 23 Oct '12, 11:27 | X
    - I do not.
      
      Steved @Verbal | 23 Oct '12, 11:29 | X
      - good
        
        Verbal @Steved | 23 Oct '12, 11:31 | X
  - Espen Baardsen
    
    Verbal @Steved | 23 Oct '12, 11:32 | X
    - oh he's american
      
      IGNORE
      
      Verbal @Verbal | 23 Oct '12, 11:32 | X
  - Kevin Stuhr Ellegaard
    
    Verbal @Steved | 23 Oct '12, 11:34 | X
  - Thomas Myhre?
    
    Verbal @Steved | 23 Oct '12, 11:35 | X
  - Andreas Isaaksson
    
    Verbal @Steved | 23 Oct '12, 11:37 | X
  - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=F39vAn3veHE#t=105s
    
    Verbal @Steved | 23 Oct '12, 11:41 | X
    - Can't watch that video on my phone
      
      Is Brian Jensen in it? Because it was him.
      
      Steved @Verbal | 23 Oct '12, 11:44 | X
      - No way that man fits in a lift with anyone else
        
        I call bullshit
        
        Antpocalypsenow @Steved | 23 Oct '12, 11:49 | X
        
        Verbal this'd this
        
        I'm actually taller than he is
        
        Wider, not so much.
        
        Steved @Antpocalypsenow | 23 Oct '12, 12:15 | X
        
        I JUST SAW HIM AGAIN
        
        Beast <3 Also saw about 5 other Burnley players, no idea which ones.
        
        Steved @Steved | 23 Oct '12, 17:20 | X
Freedman not even going to be in charge tonight according to SLP journo

https://twitter.com/RichCawleySLP/status/260639252050755584

when, not if.

Verbal | 23 Oct '12, 10:38 | X
- 7:45 kick off boss
  
  Jordan_229_2 @Verbal | 23 Oct '12, 10:40 | X
  
  _TheBeautifulOnes_ this'd this
  - wat
    
    Verbal @Jordan_229_2 | 23 Oct '12, 10:41 | X
- Hmm.
  
  Interesting. I can imagine, if the move happens, that Palace will ultimately end up with a bigger name manager than yourselves. (Although they are a bit skint).
  
  GetOffMyLawn @Verbal | 23 Oct '12, 10:41 | X
  - People are reporting Steve Coppell
    
    :'D
    
    Verbal @GetOffMyLawn | 23 Oct '12, 10:43 | X
    - They'll get Iain Dowie
      
      Jordan_229_2 @Verbal | 23 Oct '12, 10:44 | X
    - EVERY time the Palace job comes up - Coppell's name gets thrown in.
      
      Every time.
      
      Surprised they haven't gone in for Curbishley in the last 5 years actually.
      
      GetOffMyLawn @Verbal | 23 Oct '12, 10:45 | X
  - We are not skint
    
    ynot @GetOffMyLawn | 23 Oct '12, 11:25 | X
    
    doggoneuk this'd this
    - Really?
      
      You almost went to the wall 2 years ago... have I misjudged your financial status since then a touch unfairly?
      
      GetOffMyLawn @ynot | 23 Oct '12, 11:30 | X
      - After administration
        
        After administration we were bought by four fans who all have a 25% share in the club. They also reunited the club with Selhurst Park for the first time in over decade. Under Simon Jordan we were paying over £1.2 million a year in rent, which we no longer do.
        The poorest relation of our consortium is the front guy, Steve Parrish, who on his own is richer than Simon Jordan ever was. I believe he recently sold him company Tag for £90million.
        Simon Browett is the main link to the fans through our forum although Parrish also posts quite regulary.
        The other two are Martin Long, who founded Direct Line Insurance before selling to to RBS, and then founded Churchill insurance before doing that again. Then there is Jeremy Hoskings who is more a silent partner than the rest but is quite high up on the UK rich list.
        However, they are not splashing the cash as such, as they want us to be self sustainable which most fans are more than happy with. Most fans love our board for their openess and diagalogue with the fans. They also have the issue that Simon Jordan was selling 3 year, 5 year, 10 year and in extreme cases 25 year season tickets to get cash in in his final days. They decided to honour those so are funding the revenue we would be getting from those.
        
        ynot @GetOffMyLawn | 23 Oct '12, 11:53 | X
        
        doggoneuk this'd this
        
        Thanks for that!
        
        Very helpful summary.
        
        GetOffMyLawn @ynot | 23 Oct '12, 12:00 | X
        
        Verbal this'd this
- Lennie Lawrence
  
  I'd imagine that Lennie Lawrence will be in charge for Palace tonight if Dougie isn't. Although I don't trust a word Rich Cawley says.
  
  Although I would imagine that Lennie will be following Dougie to Bolton, as we appointed Lennie to be Dougies mentor/teacher/advisor. Then I'm pretty sure Gartside wants to keep the current backroom staff at Bolton so I'm not sure if Lennie would fit in.
  
  At this stage in Dougies development, i'm not sure what he'll be like without Lawrences guidance.
  
  As for Coppell, he is undoubtably our greatest Manager ever and I'd like him back to steady the ship, but long term I'd like Karl Robinson of MK Dons, a young up and coming manager whose assistant/coach is another Palace great, Ian Wright.
  
  ynot @Verbal | 23 Oct '12, 11:23 | X
  - Lennie Lawrence!
    
    Very, very few cast-iron legends left in the game but Lawrence is undeniably one.
    
    GetOffMyLawn @ynot | 23 Oct '12, 12:01 | X
    - That he is.
      
      Every season since the new board took over we've had a fans forum at the end season where fans can quiz the board, Freedman, Lawrence and some players.
      
      Lawrences stories make a great listen and he is a very funny chap. I'd miss him if he leaves too.
      
      ynot @GetOffMyLawn | 23 Oct '12, 12:20 | X
- Press conference tomorrow
  
  Freedman isn't in charge tonight and Lawrence will be in the dugout. But apparently tomorrow there is going to be a a joint press conference with our board and Freedman. Souness is also apparently in the frame now for the Bolton job.
  
  Odd, I don't know what to believe anymore.
  
  ynot @Verbal | 23 Oct '12, 13:19 | X
  - Souness can go away.
    
    Verbal @ynot | 23 Oct '12, 13:20 | X
    
    ynot this'd this
    - Yeah
      
      I wouldn't wish Souness on anyone. We were linked with him once when Jordan was in charge.
      
      I'm not kidding myself that Freedman isn't leaving. Even if he doesn't go it will still be a bit of a farce.
      
      Strangely we could win tonight, go top of the League and be without a manager.
      
      ynot @Verbal | 23 Oct '12, 13:24 | X
HOLY FUCKING SHIT!

We're going to be on TV! ESPN are broadcasting Dorchester v Plymouth on Sunday 4th! Can't quite believe it.

stormcrow | 23 Oct '12, 11:13 | X
- We pocket a cool £63,800 too.
  
  Bloody hell.
  
  stormcrow @stormcrow | 23 Oct '12, 11:32 | X
Just reading up on Shakhtar- apparently they've won about 20 domestic games in a row

and haven't lost for about twice as long. Gonna be a real tough game by the sounds of it.

I think it's become pretty clear that some kind of thorough report or review into racism in English football is necessary, with full disclosure from many people in the game. I don't think you can blame people for thinking racism is no longer a major issue in English football- that's what the evidence (or lack thereof) in the public consciousness strongly suggests. The reaction of some players this weekend suggests that is not be the case- a health check looks pretty necessary to me.

DanielKelly | 23 Oct '12, 10:44 | X
- gonna be real tough
  
  before we hear the "hilarious" ways the commentators try and pronounce Henrikh Mkhitaryan's name
  
  brusma @DanielKelly | 23 Oct '12, 11:08 | X
  - http://i46.tinypic.com/30t6pmh.jpg
    
    svenrokk @brusma | 23 Oct '12, 11:23 | X
- A thorough report by who?
  
  Royter-Hatfood @DanielKelly | 23 Oct '12, 11:23 | X
  - Your mum
    
    DanielKelly @Royter-Hatfood | 23 Oct '12, 11:27 | X
- didn't you say only yesterday
  
  that you yourself believe it is not a major issue?
  
  _TheBeautifulOnes_ @DanielKelly | 23 Oct '12, 11:25 | X
  - Can you read?
    
    It doesn't seem so.
    
    DanielKelly @_TheBeautifulOnes_ | 23 Oct '12, 11:27 | X
    - "I don't think you can blame people for thinking racism is no longer a major issue in English football"- implying that you don't think this yourself, but can understand others doing so.
      
      Yesterday, you said that you agree with David James that it is not a major issue.
      Good try, though.
      
      _TheBeautifulOnes_ @DanielKelly | 23 Oct '12, 11:28 | X
      - ...
        
        Never mind.
        
        DanielKelly @_TheBeautifulOnes_ | 23 Oct '12, 11:33 | X
        
        splitterwill this'd this
  - He said it on Sunday
    
    Zapsta @_TheBeautifulOnes_ | 23 Oct '12, 14:45 | X
    
    DanielKelly this'd this
Rumours in some of the papers that Real Madrid are after De Gea.

Probably bollocks, but I could see why they might be interested as he's very likely to be an excellent prospect for the future (which is why Fergie bought him in the first place, presumably).

blimeycharlie | 23 Oct '12, 11:00 | X
- you'd think papers would consider the obvious (Atletico players/fans virtually never moving to Real, Casillas) before making up rumours.
  
  Jordan_229_2 @blimeycharlie | 23 Oct '12, 11:03 | X
  
  Verbal and blimeycharlie this'd this
rebuild?

svenrokk | 23 Oct '12, 11:30 | X
Quite excited about tonight's game.

I'm hearing that Hooper to score and Celtic to win 1-0 is 600/1 - now, it's 600/1 for a reason obviously, but still worth £1.

SenorDingDong | 23 Oct '12, 12:03 | X
- I have 25p on him being first goalscorer
  
  I'm feeling frivolous.
  
  There's a typically thorough preview on TicTactic up for tonight:
  http://www.tictactic.co.uk/
  
  ThierryEnnui @SenorDingDong | 23 Oct '12, 15:32 | X
  - Cheers for the link
    
    Barca are terrifying.
    
    SenorDingDong @ThierryEnnui | 23 Oct '12, 15:48 | X
is Marko Marin at Chelsea, on loan or injured?

one word answer will do.

Jordan_229_2 | 23 Oct '12, 12:13 | X
- at
  
  svenrokk @Jordan_229_2 | 23 Oct '12, 12:20 | X
- Yes
  
  DanielKelly @Jordan_229_2 | 23 Oct '12, 12:23 | X
- one word
  
  Smee @Jordan_229_2 | 23 Oct '12, 12:29 | X
- thanks all
  
  just realised Matt in Central Finance is a Chelsea fan, i'll ask him when 'is meetins' done
  
  Jordan_229_2 @Jordan_229_2 | 23 Oct '12, 12:33 | X
Yes.

Steved | 23 Oct '12, 12:16 | X
- Yeah, this post wasn't where it was supposed to be
  
  so I'm not sorry.
  
  DanielKelly @Steved | 23 Oct '12, 12:24 | X
  - Firm but fair.
    
    Steved @DanielKelly | 23 Oct '12, 12:33 | X
I'll be watching some standard boring CL group stage game whilst listening to Wolves destroy Bolton on the radio...

Aaron | 23 Oct '12, 13:21 | X
- Who's shit?
  
  Bull's shit. That's who.
  
  Verbal @Aaron | 23 Oct '12, 13:22 | X
  - You take that back you slag.
    
    proslo @Verbal | 23 Oct '12, 13:38 | X
    - ;D
      
      http://perthgloryaway.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/wolves-bolton-1995.jpg
      
      Verbal @proslo | 23 Oct '12, 13:39 | X
We still owe you several beatings in return for the curse of John McGinlay.

Aaron | 23 Oct '12, 13:24 | X
- Just a wee push, pal
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onf8id6rxhY
  
  Verbal @Aaron | 23 Oct '12, 13:26 | X
  - Boo! Go back to Horwich!
    
    proslo @Verbal | 23 Oct '12, 14:42 | X
    - Your colour top is RUBBISH
      
      Verbal @proslo | 23 Oct '12, 15:55 | X
      - Oh god it is I can't deny it it is.
        
        Why don't we play in old gold like we claim we do? Why must we persist with radioactive orange?
        
        proslo @Verbal | 23 Oct '12, 16:58 | X
Bit of a barney in the Paraguayan juniors...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20039318

Verbal | 23 Oct '12, 14:28 | X
excited to see Wilshere back properly soon.

Arsenal have been getting worryingly less bellend-like lately, good to see the norm restored.

Nestor | 23 Oct '12, 14:46 | X
- what's wrong with wilshere :(
  
  he never did anything dickish
  
  still_here @Nestor | 23 Oct '12, 15:43 | X
  - The only thing I can think of is that I've literally never seen him play* a game where didn't hugely mistime at least one tackle.
    
    *Admittedly I've not seen him play that often.
    
    theguywithnousername @still_here | 23 Oct '12, 15:49 | X
  - lol
    
    Who else was it here who had a mental blind spot for Wilshere being a bit of a knob? I think it was Royter.
    
    DanielKelly @still_here | 23 Oct '12, 15:53 | X
    
    Royter-Hatfood this'd this
    - Also
      
      Wilshere's face seems to have aged about 15 years since his injury. What's up with that?
      
      DanielKelly @DanielKelly | 23 Oct '12, 15:54 | X
      - i noticed that too
        
        i think he's just got wrinkly due to the severity of the faces he pulls when he controls the ball.
        
        maybe it's a blind spot but i really, really can't see what's wrong with wilshere. Is it that he goes in heavily for tackles? That's all i can think of.
        
        still_here @DanielKelly | 23 Oct '12, 16:19 | X
        
        Spitting in people's faces is slightly more irksome.
        
        But APPARENTLY we're now categorising all misdemeanors as either a) worse or equal to racially abusing someone or b) actually not misdemeanors at all, so it's fine.
        
        lol
        
        DanielKelly @still_here | 23 Oct '12, 16:45 | X
        
        Zapsta this'd this
        
        *googles*
        
        Didn't know about that. Still, it was only a Spurs fan.
        
        (Actually, pretty unpleasant. THANKS FOR POINTING IT OUT)
        
        Royter-Hatfood @DanielKelly | 23 Oct '12, 17:29 | X
        
        still_here this'd this
      - remember what daniella westbrook looked like after a year on the billie hoke?
        
        Lucien @DanielKelly | 23 Oct '12, 18:14 | X
        
        artichokes are bad, man.
        
        Verbal @Lucien | 23 Oct '12, 18:18 | X
    - lol
      
      it was me. Back in his twitter days he came across as a genuinely enthusiastic and decent sort of chap who never called anyone a fucking black cunt.
      
      Royter-Hatfood @DanielKelly | 23 Oct '12, 16:40 | X
He's got the same air of *chippy, home counties dickhead* about him as the likes of John Terry

Though obviously in Jack's case it's still largely theoretical

benni | 23 Oct '12, 16:25 | X
- He's got both arms covered in horrible tattoos now, too
  
  :(
  
  DanielKelly @benni | 23 Oct '12, 16:47 | X
  
  benni this'd this
  - Be interesting to see what clubs have learned about managing young players in the last 15 years
    
    There's plenty of examples of players from the older generation, Terry being an obvious poster boy atm, who have experienced unprecedented levels of fame and wealth and been so indulged by clubs that they think they're untouchable.
    
    benni @DanielKelly | 23 Oct '12, 17:05 | X
    - Hmm, there was more of that.
      
      Still, you get where I was going. Morality, nurses pay, think of the children etc
      
      benni @benni | 23 Oct '12, 17:09 | X
      - Pretty much all my friends are teachers in the London/Essex/Kent areas
        
        and between them they teach an assortment of 7-16 years olds on the books or radar of the big London clubs. Apparently they all turn into dicks the minute they hear a club is interested in them, usually spurred on by thicko parents.
        
        GOLDEN GENERATION!
        
        DanielKelly @benni | 23 Oct '12, 17:56 | X
Freedman

Has definately now joined Bolton. :(

As a player he was an idol, as a manager I had faith in him even though he had a lot to prove.

http://www.cpfc.co.uk/news/article/cpfc-managerial-statement-441889.aspx

This is like the day that I was told Father Christmas wasn't real.

ynot | 23 Oct '12, 16:26 | X
- Don't get this move
  
  Yeah Bolton are a bigger club and will probably be offering a juicy pay rise, but aren't they in loads of debt? Also Phil Gartside.
  
  benni @ynot | 23 Oct '12, 16:39 | X
  - Debt to the owner, not the bank
    
    might as well say Chelsea or City are in loads of debt, too.
    
    Apparently we've more than trebled his wages, which is nice.
    
    Verbal @benni | 23 Oct '12, 16:40 | X
    - Ah didn't know that about the debts
      
      Still, Phil Gartside...
      
      benni @Verbal | 23 Oct '12, 17:07 | X
      
      Verbal this'd this
- Man I was convinced this was a job for Mick. C.O.N.V.I.N.C.E.D.
  
  wilykit @ynot | 23 Oct '12, 17:11 | X
  
  Antpocalypsenow this'd this
  - you dont say :D
    
    i would have swapped Freedman for Owen a month ago, so I'm happy enough.
    
    Verbal @wilykit | 23 Oct '12, 17:13 | X
    - You'd have swapped Owen for Harold Shipman a month ago.
      
      wilykit @Verbal | 23 Oct '12, 18:09 | X
      
      Verbal this'd this
  - I wouldn't be suprised
    
    I wouldn't be suprised to see Mick end up at Palace. His daughter Anna works for Palace as merchandising manager or something and he lives locally in Hayes.
    
    ynot @wilykit | 23 Oct '12, 18:02 | X
Crystal Palace confirms Dougie's joined Bolton

http://www.cpfc.co.uk/news/article/cpfc-managerial-statement-441889.aspx

Verbal | 23 Oct '12, 16:27 | X
- Strange, strange appointment.
  
  I'd be surprised if it worked out but you never know...
  
  theguywithnousername @Verbal | 23 Oct '12, 16:30 | X
I cannot express how let down i feel by this...

....and Palace are my 2nd team ffs!

hippy_smell | 23 Oct '12, 16:51 | X
- :(
  
  Tell me about it, its not that he left but who he is.
  
  Bugger, I can't boo him when he comes back but I can't clap him either. I'm just numb.
  
  ynot @hippy_smell | 23 Oct '12, 17:09 | X
  
  hippy_smell this'd this
I predict a glittering Owen Coyle like reign for the latest manager Bolton have poached,

(come at me verbal)

Jordan_229_2 | 23 Oct '12, 17:14 | X
- Could possibly happen
  
  but it looks like Freedman doesn't have an infatuation with 4-4-2 and has a focus on fitness. Which would be welcome. We've barely been going onto the pitch with a gameplan this season.
  
  (I will fight you)
  
  Verbal @Jordan_229_2 | 23 Oct '12, 17:25 | X
  - Freedman is a wild card. had some very good players to help him out when his tactics failed at Palace, obsessed with fitness and the Italian style of grinding out results.
    
    Disappointed he went. potential career suicide. Yes Bolton are a bigger club now but Palace have far more upward potential some of the players coming through if they keep improving would walk into any team in England. getting the balance right and playing the right tactics for the team is key. Palace's strength is they have 3 attackers on their day who are completely unplayable in Zaha,Bolaise and Williams.
    
    part of me doesn't expect Freedman to last the season at Bolton but we'll see.
    
    we need a dynamic footballing manager at the helm at Palace, don't know who's out there that inspires confidence.
    
    doggoneuk @Verbal | 24 Oct '12, 00:01 | X
wanna see nestor attempt to KO ben hamer tonight

Loui_Tacceh | 23 Oct '12, 18:06 | X
Finished my tests earlier than expected and have comfortably made it to the game :D

Don't think my speed dropped below 70between joining the M27 and hitting the traffic on the M6.

Also there were people at the assessments called Jon Walters and Stuart Taylor.

urbanfox | 23 Oct '12, 19:42 | X
Yeah, absolutely no way we can win anything this season

conceding first in every game. Ridiculous.

littlebirds | 23 Oct '12, 20:48 | X
Alan

:-D

_TheBeautifulOnes_ | 23 Oct '12, 20:49 | X

Severed799 this'd this
- also, I'd forgotten Hugo Viana existed
  
  _TheBeautifulOnes_ @_TheBeautifulOnes_ | 23 Oct '12, 20:50 | X
:'D

this defence is shocking.

3-5

Jordan_229_2 | 23 Oct '12, 20:49 | X
both man united and chelsea down within the first three minutes!

8stepstoperfection | 23 Oct '12, 20:53 | X
- even Celtic are doing better than that
  
  Severed799 @8stepstoperfection | 23 Oct '12, 20:54 | X
  - they certainly are
    
    Body_In_The_Thames @Severed799 | 23 Oct '12, 21:04 | X
    - nowai
      
      _TheBeautifulOnes_ @Body_In_The_Thames | 23 Oct '12, 21:05 | X
    - and United 2-0 down
      
      SCENES
      
      Body_In_The_Thames @Body_In_The_Thames | 23 Oct '12, 21:05 | X
      
      Severed799 this'd this
      - Great goal too
        
        DillingersWheelman @Body_In_The_Thames | 23 Oct '12, 21:08 | X
!!!!

Nestor | 23 Oct '12, 21:03 | X
Celtic :D

Severed799 | 23 Oct '12, 21:04 | X

SenorDingDong this'd this
.

I've got money on 1-0 Celtic. Let's keep it there.

stupidsexyflanders | 23 Oct '12, 21:05 | X
Braga and Celtic :D

rich-t | 23 Oct '12, 21:05 | X
Hilarious

Can we bring on some defenders?

littlebirds | 23 Oct '12, 21:05 | X
- *of course, the actual answer to that is 'no', as we've only got Rio on the bench and he needs to be rested for the weekend.
  
  littlebirds @littlebirds | 23 Oct '12, 21:09 | X
well at least it's not boring

Jordan_229_2 | 23 Oct '12, 21:11 | X

littlebirds this'd this
<sees United are two down and 14/5>
<slams kippers on>
<puts feet up for the night>

Trusty old Yoonightid.

forzaborza | 23 Oct '12, 21:11 | X
how on earth is that offside?!

looked a yard on at full speed.

Jordan_229_2 | 23 Oct '12, 21:20 | X
buttner's learning well from welbeck and young

Nestor | 23 Oct '12, 21:22 | X
- your team are playing tonight mate.
  
  just thought you might like to know.
  
  Jordan_229_2 @Nestor | 23 Oct '12, 21:32 | X
  - I look forward to you being this hands on when City are seeing out a 2-2 with Ajax tomorrow
    
    Parsefone @NeedlesslyDefensive | 23 Oct '12, 21:42 | X
  - no need to switch accounts lad.
    
    Jordan_229_2 @NeedlesslyDefensive | 23 Oct '12, 21:47 | X
  - great save from cech in the chelsea match
    
    rich-t | 23 Oct '12, 21:27 | X
  - Amazing that Chelsea are only a goal down, getting absolutely battered.
    
    Poor performance all round, Cech aside. Fernando 'I can control a ball or stand up, not both' Torres leading the way.
    
    DanielKelly | 23 Oct '12, 21:35 | X
    - torres has been woeful
      
      rich-t @DanielKelly | 23 Oct '12, 21:52 | X
      - Yep
        
        Shakhtar are looking good, far too good for us to be this middling against
        
        DanielKelly @rich-t | 23 Oct '12, 22:00 | X
  - 1-1 at half time
    
    Will take a huge effort in the 2nd half to take anything here, especially now that we've lost Samaras as an out ball.
    
    Still, exciting stuff.
    
    SenorDingDong | 23 Oct '12, 21:36 | X
  - At @40 mins into the first half
    
    I got nearly 3/1 on United and Barca winning.
    
    Should have been quicker and gotten on it before Hernandez scored to really maximise it.
    
    DillingersWheelman | 23 Oct '12, 21:39 | X
  - This is a mad match
    
    Chelsea look brilliant going forward until they pass the ball to Torres who is having one of his 'games' ie utterly infuriatingly slow of thought and lacking any ability. Sturridge would have had two by now with the same chances. Against that, the defence is just hopeless and Cech is keeping them in it.
    
    Silentcommand | 23 Oct '12, 21:51 | X
    
    _TheBeautifulOnes_ this'd this
  - shakhtar looking very good indeed
    
    8stepstoperfection | 23 Oct '12, 21:53 | X
  - Actually this is looking
    
    a lot like the Athletico Madrid match. Chelsea are being picked off on the break every time.
    
    Silentcommand | 23 Oct '12, 22:00 | X
  - no way the keeper hasnt been paid to let that in
    
    he leaped over the ball ffs
    
    still_here | 23 Oct '12, 22:05 | X
  - two goals incorrectly given offside (well the second one wasn't put in but would have been)
    
    hope we're stockpiling them for stamford bridge!
    
    Jordan_229_2 | 23 Oct '12, 22:12 | X
    
    Hasnowhereelsetogo this'd this
    - Uncy Howard again?
      
      ;-D
      
      City fan at work was saying your game last weekend was reffed by a lad from Wythenshawe. True?
      
      forzaborza @Jordan_229_2 | 23 Oct '12, 22:15 | X
      - so you're saying he was a Man City fan?
        
        Man Utd fans don't come from Manchester, remember?
        
        Jordan_229_2 @forzaborza | 23 Oct '12, 22:22 | X
  - OMG FCN 1-0 up against Juve.
    
    Kom så drenge!
    
    OvertakenByTractors | 23 Oct '12, 22:14 | X
  - Ever classy united fans
    
    booing the keeper for kicking the ball out to get treated for an injury.
    
    DillingersWheelman | 23 Oct '12, 22:15 | X
    - aye, you never hear fans doing that at all
      
      disgraceful
      
      Jordan_229_2 @DillingersWheelman | 23 Oct '12, 22:23 | X
      - I think it might only be us
        
        as far as I know, you hear nothing but worried muttering from other fans.
        
        incandenza_ @Jordan_229_2 | 23 Oct '12, 22:31 | X
        
        that Leeds fan was only checking Kirkland for concussion, too.
        
        Jordan_229_2 @incandenza_ | 23 Oct '12, 22:41 | X
        
        if you watch the footage closely
        
        you can see him mouthing his intentions to make sure Kirkland hasn't swallowed his tongue. unfortunately, as he wasn't a trained physician, his technique was a little shabby.
        
        incandenza_ @Jordan_229_2 | 23 Oct '12, 22:46 | X
  - .
    
    Brilliant cross.
    
    stupidsexyflanders | 23 Oct '12, 22:17 | X
    
    incandenza_ this'd this
  - Ball retention from both sides has been wank in this game.
    
    wilykit | 23 Oct '12, 22:34 | X
  - ALL GOING WRONG
    
    Blackpool equaliser, Utd comeback, Chelsea...?
    
    Royter-Hatfood | 23 Oct '12, 22:35 | X
  - Boy, is that gutting.
    
    Parsefone | 23 Oct '12, 22:36 | X
    - what is gutting?
      
      *checks* ah.
      
      shame.
      
      incandenza_ @Parsefone | 23 Oct '12, 22:37 | X
  - Heartbreaking for Celtic
    
    wilykit | 23 Oct '12, 22:37 | X
  - get in
    
    so great how nakhi wells is turning out
    
    shrewbie | 23 Oct '12, 22:39 | X
    - haha celtic
      
      shrewbie @shrewbie | 23 Oct '12, 22:39 | X
  - FCN got a point against Juventus!
    
    great stuff. Less importantly it was Bendtner's debut.
    
    OvertakenByTractors | 23 Oct '12, 22:39 | X
  - Poor Celtic :(
    
    Chelsea very deservedly beaten- both goals were weak but Shakhtar were on top from start to finish, would have had more if not for Cech. Given that Juve only managed a draw again the group whipping boys I'm not yet hugely concerned.
    
    DanielKelly | 23 Oct '12, 22:39 | X
  - Celtic :(
    
    Jordan_229_2 | 23 Oct '12, 22:39 | X
    
    harman_kardon and SenorDingDong this'd this
  - I'm always really happy to watch Shaktar or Croatia
    
    I like knowing that Dario Srna exists outside Foot all Managern
    
    Steved | 23 Oct '12, 22:41 | X
    - Fuck it
      
      It can stay like that.
      
      Steved @Steved | 23 Oct '12, 22:43 | X
  - Gary Pissing-Taylor-Bastard-Fletcher
    
    Royter-Hatfood | 23 Oct '12, 22:42 | X
    - Oh this is fucking nonsense
      
      Football should have been declared closed at half 8 tonight.
      
      Royter-Hatfood @Royter-Hatfood | 23 Oct '12, 22:43 | X
  - our defence might be completely pony atm, and we don't seem to be able to start playing without leaking at least one goal
    
    but nine from nine in the CL and second with two losses already in the PL is none too shabby.
    
    I think we'll beat Chelsea 4-3 at the weekend. after going behind three times.
    
    incandenza_ | 23 Oct '12, 22:43 | X
    - aye
      
      to be fair in the last two games the opposition has only had three chances and scored from two, with us controlling the match after the first 20 minutes, but it is still very worrying.
      
      think we'll lose 7-5
      
      Jordan_229_2 @incandenza_ | 23 Oct '12, 22:45 | X
      - there will definitely be at least seven goals in the game
        
        that we can be sure of.
        
        incandenza_ @Jordan_229_2 | 23 Oct '12, 22:47 | X
    - It'll be a bloody miracle if we get 3 points from that game
      
      would happily take a draw. They could give us the kind of seeing to that City did last year if we go in sleeping again.
      
      littlebirds @incandenza_ | 23 Oct '12, 23:19 | X
      
      Antpocalypsenow this'd this
  - A good point
    
    A good point for Palace tonight considering what happened today.
    1-1 away to Barnsley, could have been better as we led all game till the 87th minute.
    
    9 games unbeaten now.
    
    ynot | 23 Oct '12, 22:43 | X
  - good point for us too
    
    although it looks like BWP coulda nicked it at the death but found the keeper, always hitting it at the keeper that guy
    
    can't really complain, important thing was to respond to the dismal, dismal display on Saturday
    
    hope we did some good chants
    
    Loui_Tacceh | 23 Oct '12, 22:51 | X
  - ffs
    
    tuesday night curse continues for leeds. 2 points against promoted teams in poor form, you need to be taking at least 4 if you're after 6. Birmingham becomes a must-win on saturday, god knows what will happen with that.
    
    still, 1 point off 6th, 4 off 2nd. expected a little worse a month ago. unbeaten in 7 - 3 draws in our last 4 though.
    
    fantastic result for shakhtar - lets hope they can top the group. chelsea still looking good due to that juve result, unfortunately.
    
    Nestor | 23 Oct '12, 22:53 | X
    - apparently it was a last-minute save of the season contender from patrick kenneth
      
      i curse you, rotund journeyman! i curse you!
      
      Loui_Tacceh @Nestor | 23 Oct '12, 23:00 | X
  - Mick McCarthy
    
    Mick McCarthy is 11/10 favourite for the Palace job already. I'm not sure if appointing him would be good or not?
    
    ynot | 23 Oct '12, 23:03 | X
    - Paddy Power
      
      Has suspended betting on next Palace manager already.
      
      ynot @ynot | 23 Oct '12, 23:44 | X
    - Paddy Power
      
      Has suspended betting on next Palace manager already.
      
      ynot @ynot | 23 Oct '12, 23:44 | X
      - Palace Power
        
        Has suspended betting on next Paddy manager already.
        
        jopzorz @ynot | 24 Oct '12, 00:27 | X
        
        Severed799 this'd this
  - 'Stone Cold' Charlie Austin with another two goals
    
    now has 18 from 12. extrapolate that motherfucker and he's on for....about 60?
    
    Jordan_229_2 | 23 Oct '12, 23:24 | X
  - 3 wins in a row for Boro
    
    Thoroughly outplayed Hull with Miller getting his first goal.
    
    Bolton on Saturday.
    
    Dalkin | 24 Oct '12, 00:11 | X
  - Fucking Wolves and their trying to defend
    
    When they CANNOT FUCKING DEFEND
    
    Gah. It was like the opposite of Saturday -we played quite well for much of the game, but didn't retain possession for more than about 3 seconds in the last 30 minutes.
    
    urbanfox | 24 Oct '12, 01:22 | X

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