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Is there a better twist than the one at the end of The Usual Suspects? Any that come close?
many, many twists
Or La Jetée if the original automatically trumps it...
the twist being it turns out to be shite
...is the change in protagonist halfway through the film - for the first section it's Joaquin Phoenix's character who you expect to be the wanderlusting hero, only for the focus to switch within a couple of minutes to the surprisingly resourceful blind girl. I thought that was clever plotting.
but the first time I saw The Game, I didn't know much about it, and I was all over the place
I thought part 1 was obvious, part 2 incredible.
they're all dead
but rest assured my post was a joke.
They're actually all sheep.
maybe it was a spolier? chill out, son. nothing worse than a film snob. actually, a wine snob, but that's for a killer thread I got lined up for December
I find your style grating. you're the turkey who leaps all over apostrophe and grammatical errors. well done you.
l'avventura is widely regarded as one of the greatest films ever made.
don't let anybody tell you, but it's a sled
then don't come back to me. you're pretty boring, man. out
L'Avventura influenced the visual language of cinema, changing how subsequent films looked, and has been named by some critics as one of the best ever made.
unless you mean by the public, but the public have also made avatar the most successful film ever
Certainly 'some critics' doesn't cover widely-regarded. Besides film critics are the public - just public who happen to review films.
With a much broader knowledge of film and expertise, yep, but carry on.
l'avventura is widely regarded as one of the best films ever - in Sight and Sound I know there was a piece by someone saying it should be one of the top 10. otherwise we'd be saying Twilight and the like are widely regarded as the best films ever.
Just whether there's a wide consensus of people who'd rate it as one of the best films ever.
and, through social circles, am aware of film critics who've pretty much ambled into the job.
Besides, the idea that someone who reviews films has some level of access to knowledge of the art that 'ordinary' filmgoers don't have is the kind of silly thinking you rarely see outside of film school kids so wet-behind-the-ears actually still take the auteur theory seriously.
So you're saying the top broadsheet/magazine critics just ambled into the job, and no one has sought to challenge them? Good one.
Well, yes, they do have more knowledge than YOU. They've made films their life passion and gone about learning as much as they can. This means they have a greater feel for the value of a film and the contextual knowledge of 120 years of cinema and a globe's worth of films.
I can see the 'auteur theory' is a bit of a dig, probably at me, but I could explain why I think it matters if you so wish.
i meant everyone, no one mentioned critics apart from you.
with films, people always have a general interest. people like it more than others like most of us here. im not calling you stupid/daft for not knowing l'avventura because it is one of those films you don't know until you know. but it is highly regard, much in the same way a bout de souffle/the third man/m/battleship potemkin etc is
I'm aware of l'aventura but have never actually seen it. It's obviously is a film that some people think is a classic but to my mind it's behind the Third Man and Battleship Potemkin which I think certainly would be widely-regarded and level with films like the Treasure of the Sierra Madre where certainly there are people very happy to beat the drum for it but realistically it's not as widely-known as it might well deserve to be.
PS it was you who first said 'unless you mean the public'.
worth a look if you're into boring, seemingly emotionless, vaguely existentialist films about alienation and all that
I definitely wouldn't say it was widely-regarded as anything tho (apart from amongst critics)
he does get it right maybe 1/3 of the time though so yeah ok cautious pass
Film critics take many shapes and forms from the staff of a broadsheet to the staff of the Daily Star. Yet nonetheless the simple fact is that a film critic is a film lover who is good at writing about film. There are plenty of filmlovers less eloquent in writing. I don't regard their views as being of any less value than a film critics. Plus we have to remember that top broadsheet and magazine critics often get their roles not just because of their knowledge of films but for their love of the 'right' films that fit in with people's current perceptions of the appropriate film canon. That doesn't necessarily mean they're opinions are the 'right' ones or even that opinions now will be the same as opinions in 30 years time - Heck, people walked out of L'Aventura's first viewing and plenty of films become more or less popular as film tastes change to fashion.
I've got so many problems with the second paragraph I don't know where to begin. Ignoring the fact you seem to feel the need to make this discussion personal - not really sure why - I don't agree for a second that the number of films you've seen makes you more qualified to say whether you enjoy something or not. To me the enjoyment of art is a personal thing and an instinctive reaction and the goal of art is to create an emotional reaction in people. I find this idea that art's worth should be judged and assessed by self-appointed experts and their opinions should count for more than the average cinemagoer (who, after all, is the person who ultimately funds the film industry) to be snobbish and distasteful.
For what it's worth (and, in my view it's worth next to nothing) I've got a degree and an MA in film so, by some standards, I could easily stake my claim as knowing something about film if I wanted to. But I wouldn't because I don't think that's relevant - the fact I've studied film means that I know a fair amount about how films are made and that I've possibly seen more films than the average person. But it certainly doesn't mean I have any more of a valid idea of what a good film is. My views, as with anyone else's are purely and entirely subjective.
Why would the third paragraph be a dig about you? I have no idea what you think about the auteur theory. It's a dig at the kind of film school idiots on my degree who took it seriously. I think a discussion of why it matters (or why I think it doesn't) would better suit another thread and in any case isn't really a conversation I'd choose to have for the 30th time in my life. All I'd say is you're entitled to your own view and I'm sorry if I've offended you in any way but it is a theory I've studied and examined several times over and fail to see much in it except an attempt to instigate a hierarchy of snobbery into film-making and an entirely false account of how films are made that turns something which to me, at it's best, is a collaborative process between a variety of talents from a variety of disciplines into a falsely simplified narrative where one person is spuriously awarded all the credit for the work of a large number of people.
anyone who poists oin tjhois thread is foolish
Don't want to spoil it for anyone here.
When I watched it I was constantly looking for "the twist" and about halfway through I figured out what it was, so it was a bit of an anticlimax.
I like the twist in The Prestige.
*edit* Sorry eltham, but I DID figure it out. I'll take my indie points and leave now.
only saw it couple of weeks ago, spent the WHOLE thing looking for signals/clues that he was a gonner. if i didn't know I'd have been dumbfounded.
The Prestige is a good shout.
The worst twist is Switchblade Romances
I got so angry when the twist turned out to be what it was. Awful film all round, Robert De Niro will put his name on any old shit these days.
i saw that at the cinema this year and i've forgotten the twist is it
SPOILERS BUT NOT REALLY
cilian murphy has the powers?
i thought the film was passable for what it was. i did see a trailer uyesterday though and when bobby turned up i knew itd be shit
It seemed such a flimsy reason for him doing all the stuff he was doing though. I thought the real twist would be that *spoiler* didn't actually *spoiler* and would come back at the end.
there was that really strange scene where one of them visited De Niro and there was that whole salt thing. really flimsy memory to this.
in the days before getting around to seeing the film, someone said to me "The twist!" — and that was it. Knowing the premise of the film and knowing simply that there *is* a twist, it was pretty obvious after the opening scene what that twist was.
Still enjoyed watching it, though.
Inexplicably popular IMO
with cracking dialogue
Somebody needs to take me in hand and give me an education. This is IT- my new motivation is to watch at least one film a week.
Both meant to be great films. What kind of movie do you want to start with?
Maybe human interest angle rather than anything too heavy or gory. Despite being an exrtovert I have total adhd type and I can't concentrate for long. I will persevere. I appreciate this, if people will make recs for me I will watch faithfully, one a week :D this is excellent.
I spend my life working, eating out, going to gigs and boozing and dancing. Whenever I watch something, it tends to be an episode because it's shorted and less taxing in general. It means I have HUGE holes in my knowledge. People would be amazed. I've hardly seen anything. I guess I'd like to see whatever 'must-see' films there are to try to plug the gaps in my cultural ignorance.
it is a court room drama that should easily hold your attention
during filming they gradually moved the walls of the room in to increase the tension (you cant see them move)
watch something called Make Way For Tomorrow
an old film, never cried so hard in my life at anything
Overall I'm keen to get a pretty broad brush of things to see. Sorry, I've toally hijacked with this subthread!
there's so much out there! I'd recommend Bad Lieutenant:Port of Call New Orleans as this is my stock response as a gateway to cinema
for the first time a coupla' weeks ago, great story but saw her coming a mile off.
The answer we were looking for is THE SKIN I LIVE IN.
Anyone who disagrees gets the same *punishment*.
Ed Norton double twist.
but The Orphanage ending was a punch to the gut.
You got punched in the gut
*Removes The Orphanage from Lovefilm list*
Just watch it, it's pretty good
Actually have it on DVD come to think of it. Nonetheless, you've just disappointed a lot of people who were expecting guts to be punched.
second time I've posted that film in 2 days! an arty talkathon with a twist et demie tbpfh
oh and mulholland drive for fucking out loud
but the grimmest is easily Eden Lake
just remember the dvd box saying that the whole time
I wouldn't call it gratuitous either. Its pretty integral to the story.
(fuck off badmanreturns)
but the proper non-theatrical DVD ending to I Am Legend makes the film a lot less shitty.
number of clues. Great film though.
did lucky number slevin have a twist?
It`s a pretty unforgettable twist/reveal.