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sorry man, but you're very het-up for a 21 year old. chill out. have an ice cream or something
probably some mad bants
Like the page.
she won't back you up?
''I'm right and everyone else is wrong'' kind of arguing that goes on here and by other (for want of a better term) left/liberal people across the board.
It's a kind of conservative liberalism that is often just as dogmatic as the people they claim to rail against.
it's not conservative, it's just the reflection of an epistemological position. Saying it's a conservative position puts you in danger of falling into the same trap.
conservative with a small c - not Tory
what makes this party so terrible? I appear to have lost my moral compass as I cant see that its worse than most other stuff concerning this <conflict> and you guys seem to talk as if you know what is going on.
WHat is going on here?
i mean what it's really about is people assuming that to have political knowledge is to be certain that you possess the truth. If that's the case then you can be as dogmatic as you want, because since you are right whatever anyone else says is wrong and deserves to be ridiculed for being wrong. However if there's no such thing as political truth then that sort of dogmatism is obviously unjustified.
So whilst there's a stronger tradition to the latter position in the left, there are plenty of leftists who don't quite subscribe to that position, either through ignorance or just disagreement (and it's a lot more complicated than what i've said but that's the general jist).
So yeah anyway, this is something i've mentioned multiple times on this board to people who i think argue like that, but they've always missed my point. Never mind.
can someone just answer me this one simple question.
It isn't it just an attempt to be in the tradition of cowboys and indians, vicars and tarts
I let DiS decide my moral compass for what the correct opinion on these things should be for someone who likes indie music.
I myself an one of those leftist/liberal people who don't subcride to that position and I think the reason I find that kind of arguing so annoying is that to me it isn't a very 'liberal' way of thinking asI think people should be acepting or at least understanding of other peoples beliefs even if they don't agree with it themselves (obv thtere will be laods of examples of extremeism where this doesn't work but I'm talking in a very general sense)
I mean, surely the medias treatment of this whole area is in worse bad taste due to its absense of analysis.
Can someone explain why exactly this is so awful, I mean its crass and pathetic, as to the shallowness of some, but beyond that ?
Sorry, I think my moral compass has broken, can someone lend me thiers
where people dress up and pretend it's the fun old WW2 times
which one has the better VFM/bants?
the picture they've used to advertise it is probably the most tasteless thing imaginable as well.
why people think this is particularly terrible? (I can see its crass, but no more than many other things)
I am sure that it probably is terrible (I think DD is very moral), but I cant explain or verbalise why
you're just dressing like anyone does who comes from that particular culture. So it's basically just `dress like an arab person but lets claim he's a terrorist, because even though they're visually indistinguishable we all know what it means when someone's dressed like that; that they're a laughable fundamentalist nutjob moron that wants to destroy the western world`
It'll also mean quite a lot of people wearing brown facepaint and fake beards, which is reason enough in itself.
I understand that, but that is down to individuals, I sort of see what you mean, but I am assuming that everyone would come fake tooled up. I was also envisiging some bizarre replication of the failed underpant bomber
need some genuine distress in your lives.
This is in moderately poor taste and doubtless some people will 'brown up' or whatever and think they're hilarious, but this isn't any worse than a cowboys and Indians theme or any other asymmetrical conflict from way back when. First one to invoke Godwin wins a year's supply of the Guardian*
*Prize may not actually last an entire year
because...i don't think i've ever even seen a poster for one?
not since i was about 8?
take a hint. get on it.
and yes I did go to cowboy and indian parties and I was always an indian
the holocaust wasn't as bad as what stalin did! why are you complaining?!
who agrees with me, that's pretty much enough assurance for me that this is an inappropriate night for a university to be giving money towards.
it was a direct response to someone suggesting people who support this page don't have enough 'genuine' distress'. Someone actually being deployed in this conflict is quite a direct involvement in the 'distress'
anyway, got it cancelled.
(as in, you getting it cancelled, not someone deployed in the conflict being distressed)
... but yeah I wasn't being srs in the slightest; it'd probably best if you ignore most things I say.
but I reckon that you are probably right on this sort of thing.
My cousin is out there now, I'm sure he couldn't give a fuck if a bunch of halfwits want to walt it up at some lame disco.
because with cowboys and indians you're dressing up as what's generally perceived as being a member of one of two different cultures (albeit the male version of those cultures). `Armed forces vs Taliban` is dressing up on the one hand in modern western military dress, or on the other hand in dress that is supposed to be `taliban` but is in fact just arabic.
I don't know why i'm repeating myself, but it is quite clearly racist, much more so than cowboys and indians.
thanks, I think you have helped me with my moral compass there, and I think that you are probably right, most people coming as the Talibun will probably just generically dress in arabic garb......but interestingly, that mirrors the problem with armies of very different culture trying to police in another country.
The result can be that anyone could be under suspicion, extremer examples of this would be in vietnam where us forces could suspect that any civilian could be in the viet cong, and would sometimes/often treat civilians as if they automatically were probably in it.
So the issue is with the difficulty of the conflict and the childish representation of it in media and politics.
Hmmm perhaps some protesters could turn up in arabic garb and when asked about the taliban they could just say no, they are just normal civilians and then some UN official (also at party in garb of un official) can remonstrate with them
Someone dressed up as a muslim could be flashing wads of fake $250k and be on the side of the armed forces :D
Im sorry for not taking this seriously, but any racism I see in this party theme, I see mirrored elsewhere in our society, media and politics, but to a much worse (because its serious) degree, and so I cant get that angry about it.
As for trivialising the conflict.....well I think that has already been admirably done by the serious media/politics. I feel sorry for people who die, are bereaved or injured by it, but they should be more angry at those who make such conflicts possible/continue
endorsing it and normalising it further
because thats sort of condoning it, and its crass and in bad taste (because I doubt if they are really satirising the conflict and the fact that this was of <men with power's> own making)
I once screamed STUDENTS as loud as I could out of the window of my car going slowly past the shops at the crowds of students near birmingham university....my sons giggled yet were simultaneously embarised when they all looked round shocked
I agree with you re the racism and would not go
representative of the indigenous culture that said 19th century troops slaughtered guided by manifest destiny? Bit of a shaky argument, but then this is DiS.
cowboys and indians is more or less racist than soldiers and talibans?
humanitarian mission. How can you be offended by the depiction of a humanitarian mission? Like being offended by clean water programs in Africa
bop was the best night in first year when it was on campus in OP
this is terible though
I remember when I was at manc there used to be the OP bop and also a weird bop at jabez Clegg but I was never really sure what that was. Think I went as a cowboy to the op bop once but I might have just been wearing a checked shirt idk.
they had to move the one from OP to Jabez Clegg cause it was irresponsible. went once at Jabez and it aws AWFUL. so good first year - cheap drinks, everyone on campus there, it being right on the doorstep. never dressed up though, fancy dress is for chumps
about 'arabs' further up the thread?
well indie. Gotta support the underdogs
PREFERABLY IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA
you made ohgood resort to PROFANITY
I'd call my mum a spamoid in the right circumstances
:D counterpoint http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K6GdLuhUEM
what a winner
Armed Forces vs Sexy Taliban