read some good things about it over on io9
Friday night here on FX
to prevent the discussion of/happening upon spoilers.
its online right now
for some reason i read your post as it was on in america tonight :(
can download for tonight BOOOM
so that no-one gets unnecessarily upset. BOARD POLITICS.
Can't be arsed to source downloads for this given it's on TV in a few days.
and a lot of folk will watch it before Friday because a)that's ages away b) everyone under 30 only has Virgins L package which doesn't include FX
T-Dog has been in at least 30 seconds of the first few minutes....hasn't said anything....but, maybe this could be HIS Season....?!?1
I hope this is a weekly thing
There's hope for this show yet!
The prison is best arc its had so far
please don't discuss the comics.
right at the ending i thought it was that guy from prison break and they had done a merge, but it wasn;t. Thank god.
Also poor Hershel :(
felt a bit sick when the hacking started.
Amazing that with all the gore and grotesqueness on display they still manage to shock on occasion.
really REALLY good start
- am i the only person who didn't really mind Herschel's farm?
- would Herschel's gang still all be alive if the kid hadn't been shot? they really kind of got systematically fucked over
thought the new episode was good but wasn't wetting myself over it or anything.
reestablish the characters and setting etc...
but by fuck did they drag it out
1) I liked it, but as my funny bovine friend suggests, they did drag it on a bit. Perhaps if we had properly seen Wiltshire Estates ( see Shane and Andrea) and a few other things in the first half?
2)Maybe. Can't really see Herschel's magic shotgun saving them IF a herd turns up tho.
I'm drunk and on holiday though
and the teaser for episode 3 looks gooooooodd
whats with the fish tanks?
like he's looking through a glass window at a white room with his wife and kid as zombies walking around inside.
Also the slow panning in on the helicopter pilot's head as if we didn't assume after murdering all his mates he wouldn't be dead too. I thought that was a bit on the obvious side.
It would have had much more impact had the army massacre happened in the next episode rather than earlier.
that was an entirely bleak and unpleasant 43 minutes
That was grim, really, really fucking grim.
Actually got chocked up when Rick found out. And Poor T-Dawg. I was screaming at the screen when the zombie was behind him.
If they are all infected already, would it matter if they are bitten? This also raises the question as to was it necessary to cut Hershal's leg off if he was already infected?
Which is different to turning after dying
Whether bitten or not? I mean, Hershal should have turned. That bite was well into his blood before Rick chopped off his leg.
They just cause rapid death. And on Herschel's leg they got it off inside of a minute
I've not had such emotional clout from characters I thought I couldn't give a shit about since Sun and Jin on Lost.
I've always taken the racial/gender politic criticisms of this show with a bit of a pinch of salt but this couldn't really have been any more obvious could it.
It was mystery hunter man
Mystery hunter Man???
I thought he just opened the gates. The other crim set the alarms off.
Have I totally watched that wrong?
while Rick was *killing*the crim
That POV shot. It's such a nice surprise to have the writers foreshadow something that I'd forgotten it even happened.
and just assumed that the third prisoner had gone all MacGyver.
I think it must have been the short prisoner who let the zombies in to the prison.
The POV shot came a good 10 minutes after we saw him being locked out by rick, and then in the beginning of the next episode the mystery man uses an axe to cut the lock chain. We then see the prisoner attack Rick later using an axe which looks pretty much identical.
Nick a trinket today, align with evil sometime later.
Bit of a babe though.
Also - Michonne clearly doesn't need her. She should just go on her own
She looked like she was about to pounce on him.
feels like the action and drama has really stepped up a notch this season.
I'm so glad to see Lorie finally die, she's been the most annoying character/bad actor all along...although i admit to having something in my eye during her death rattle.
This series really has its teeth in me and it doesn't seem it's gonna stop shaking me about any time soon. Strolled into this thread and (completely my own fault) exposed myself to the T-Dogg spoiler but still wasn't prepared for that. Came as close to welling up as a heartless automaton can during the Carl flashback.
could be a spoiler.
That ending really annoyed me, in a way, just because it was so unashamedly cliffhangery, seemed a bit clunky.
Also, really quite disappointed not to have seen any zombified babies when they went foraging for formula.
Still pretty good though which says it all. I agree about the ending, it was pretty clunky stuff. Why was there a preggo zombie there in a male prison as well?
Zombie lumberjack match was a bit jarring as well, seemed a bit of a sudden lurch towards weird from a guy who's trying to maintain this idyllic illusion.
they like NASCAR and rasslin' there
I mean, I wouldn't be adverse to a zombie lumberjack match either but it seemed odd that he was excitedly dragging blonde babe along having finally won her trust and got rid of sword girl. You'd have thought he'd ease her into that kind of shit right?
or a zombie with a big belly after eating lori
And if it was then there was no c-section bit on her belly.
there was loads of blood on the floor where it looked like her corpse had been dragged away. I also thought Egg was going to cut open the belly, pull out Lori's face and give her one last kiss
the knife was there but no body
pretty sure she got eaten up by the belly guy, hope they dont bring her back in the tv show
I don't think belly guy could've put away an entire corpse, bones and all.
Game of Thrones has taught me unless you actually see someone die, there's always a chance for their return. We didn't see Carl shoot Lori. As such, I forsee a zombie Lori in the near future
It was a prison guard with a massive beer belly.
I was a bit confused with the crazed belly stabbing though.
The knife and bullet were there, and he had a big bit of her hair striking out of his mouth. The Carol thing is confusing me though- where the fuck did she go?
This isn't 'Man v Food' finish everything on the plate. There would have been bits of her lying around him - also clothes. There would have been clothes.
And her hair was sticking out of the zombies mouth. If he hadn't eaten her, where the fuck is she? And why was the knife used to cut her open, and bullet from Carl's gun on the floor?
There's a new episode? Never mind me.
Sadly, it was nothing.
everyone seems to be assuming she's dead (with a grave) but I don't remember seeing her die. there was clearly other bodies with T DAWWWGGG but the shot was too dark for me to make out who they were...
they found her headscarf and assumed she was dead. But I'm 99% sure that the last we saw of her was her getting away while T-Dog was being a hero.
nor Lori's and yet the poor prisoner fellows had to dig 3 graves? Bit OTT surely?
But they all seem to think she's dead
Then in the *next week on the walking dead* bit Daryl was like *THIS IS CAROL'S KNIFE!*
- Brushing his zombie daughter's hair. Anyone notice how calm she was until he pulled a massive chunk out her head?
- What's with the list of people's names and all the weird lines?
- The Gladiator-esq fist fight and teeth pulled Zombies?
The refuge stuff is only JUST starting to get interesting now, so it's a shame that it's centrered around the utterly shit character of Andrea.
I assume the list is one of people he's lost? Isn't Penny the name of his daughter? Maybe the weird lines signify an amount of tests/experiments? Or maybe the repetition of them is just his descent into madness/mourning? SO MANY POSSIBILITIES.
I reckon Glenn will be the next major character to get done in.
The fat zombie obviously ate most of Lori. Even this show needs to pull some punches- they aren't gonna show the devoured corpse of an eviscerated pregnant woman. Carol is blatantly alive, too. Maybe the hunter guy who caused episode 4's shit storm got her ...
knowledge of what happens in the comics + there only being two episodes left before it goes on a mid-season break makes me think the next two are going to be soul destroyingly horrible
Andrea scenes aside that is, I'd love it if they just killed her off in a really lame way, freak stair accident or something then we can all move on.
Something of a convenient contrivance to get Merle, Maggie, Glenn and Michionne all in the same place at the same time but that's easy enough to forgive when it moves things forward in the exact direction it should be moving.
Rick's scenes didn't quite hit for me either but at least it was a new way to develop the character so I was pleased to see it.
Anyone give one single shit about Carol being alive?
Wasn't sure about the Rick phone scene. It seemed a bit contrived.
Overall this episode was pretty dull.
*Now that's what I'm talking about!* can probably be considered an upgrade on *Aww hell naww* right?
for relaxing and shit
I'm a few episode behind, cos I have a job and stuff you know. Hoping to catch up this week.
Really enjoy reading these BTW.
which I've not seen yet
BUT, LOOK, CUTTY IS JOINING THE CAST!!!!!! http://tvline.com/2012/11/20/walking-dead-season-3-cast-chad-coleman-tyreese/
But Judith for a baby?? JUDITH?!?
really annoying things about this show still - can't believe how blatantly the black prisoner has taken over t-dog's 'one line an episode' role. you have to wonder about the writers..also that lauren cohan scene made me a bit uncomfortable and not in a good way
Also seriously considering not opening this - or any other - thread anymore. if you've read the comics good stuff, good for you, but PLEASE stop bringing stuff up, even if it doesn't seem like a spoiler or even if we know the tv show doesn't stick religiously to the comic - just shut up, or start a comic thread. i like not knowing what's around the corner, i'm pretty sure everyone does.
There are nine mentions of comic in this thread and three of them are in this post
some other areas of the internet have been a lot worse for this.
are worse than zombies, dark stuff
didn't see he'd messaged me it a while ago
very tense, but as usual stuff bothered me about it/could have been done better..
even with the smoke bombs it's hard to believe the Woodbury people could be spraying machine-gun fire at people who were out in the open and not hit them.
how they took Daryl alive when the guv'nor demanded them 'shoot to kill'
why Michonne didn't try to explain what was going on to Andrea. just talk for gods sake
why Merle and co dilly-dallied over executing Glenn and Maggie, especially after they'd killed one of the executors. 'kneel down there!' 'put a bag on your head' 'now, get up and walk outside the room'... FFS
v. exciting episode though
*THE SCREAMING PITS* whatever they are, that's why they didn't just shoot them
TYRESE TYRESE TYRESE
RIP New T-Dog :(
We'll always have the slippers
She didn't deserve an explanation
Second half of Season 3 is shaping up well though!
but what didn't ring true was Daryl allowing himself to be taken alive. He didn't even appear to be injured. It just goes against everything we've learned about his character.
maybe he ran out of ammo, they closed in on him, but Merle being second in command told them to hold their fire when he saw it was his brother. this would have further pissed off the governor and would explain why Merle didn't seem to protest that much when the governor called him out. they may well do a flashback in the next episode.
Is the guy from the black guy (plus son) from the first season going to make a reappearance at some point? He was never killed off.
Also, the guy with the pump-action shotgun that Rick shot with his revolver in the episode...was it somebody that Rick recognised? I was trying to figure out whether he was looking at his corpse with a look of recognition?
by that guy from CSI New York! Must get my eyes tested.
what made his death a bit disturbing was that rick could have prevented it, although he seemed to be resigned to getting shot himself
but cor was that whole terrorists bit clunky. WE CAN TOTALLY DRAW PARALLELS BETWEEN FICTION AND REALITY YOUZ GUYS.
i don't think it helped that i watched homeland right after and they had a ."perhaps it it is you who are the terrorists!!!!" conversation of their own.
Battlestar Galactica where a suicide bomber attacks the graduation ceremony for the Cylon-affiliated Colonial Police.
i've given it a fair shot, and it really doesn't measure to the comics, as boring a statement as that might be.
i didn't like the first season before i read the comics, and i don't like the second and third, now i have read the comics. so i'm out.
same as homeland. i just can't be bothered anymore. shit acting, shit script. don't give a fuck about any characters. too many annoying characters. i'm done.
Seems an odd time to quit though. This series has been significantly better than the last, IMHO opinion. I was close to giving up on Herschel's farm, but my interest has been piqued again recently.
Agree on the annoying characters bit though. I wouldn't normally wish this on anyone, but I want Andrea to die a horrible, painful death soon.
Michionne and Andrea = Fucking rubbish
the 'flirting' between Carol and the prisoner. The 'fuck was all that about? Are they going to have a thing? Carol loved it, the dirty slut.
Speaking of which, why did the other prisoner stay behind with the baby? Surely Rick would have wanted to keep them both close, and they could have done with the extra manpower. Was there a reason given that I missed?
but i don't remember why he was told not to. they need numbers at the prison as well though
maybe they didn't have room for him in the car
I've really bloody loved this season, from start to finish. I think the only dud episode was the one where Egg lost his marbles but apart from that it's been everything I'd want from a zombie apocalypse.
I even found myself biting my nails, heart a beating, a couple of times in that last episode - i thought i was better than that.
Stopped watching early in the second season because it got very, very clunky and trite and was pleasantly surprised when I stumbled back into the show and it had got a lot sharper. That episode felt like a high-budget season two clogger. Mentioned up thread but the way the terrorism stuff was handled just did not sit with me at all- seemed out of keeping with how the show was going.
If anything happens to Daryl, I'll be cross. Probs some double-crossing, double-bluffing, double-agent stuff going on there, right?
ALSO, didn't realise the woman who plays Maggie has a British accent. SWOON.
and for good reason.
Not a particularly grand statement, but it's true.
A lot of what made season 2 a particular grind to get through seems to have been dealt with (Lori and the actress who plays her getting written out (thank fuck, she was awful in prison break, she was equally awful in this), that kid not getting into trouble every ten minutes, not sitting around for episodes on end working the story into a particularly badly written soap opera, etc).
My memory of the equivalent bit of the comic is very hazy, given I was reading it as monthly rather than in trade format and it was a good few years back now. But the prison and governor stuff did seem to run for fucking ages in the comic so I'm glad that's been tightened up.
At this point I'd really like to see Rick die (which won't happen, but it's what I'd like), Andrea get her shit together or at least be given some consistent characterisation, same with Michonne and that the writers keep more than one black male character in the team at a time. Honestly, as soon as the cold open started with a black character who had more than one line, I knew that Isaac (?) was due for an untimely and unnecessary end. 20 minutes later, dude got shot.
It seemed to return with absolutely no fanfare at all. I only found out it was back yesterday.
Pretty mediocre episode to return with as well frankly. Andrea needs to be eaten so quickly, that rousing speech scene was hilariously bad.
Tyrese seems interesting though even if the rest of his group seem to have slotted into the do-whats-required-of-them-on-a-scene-to-scene-basis trap that this show struggles with.
but it was fucking poot. the whole cliffhanger fraternal-death-match just getting resolved with a smoke grenade or two was proper lazy. then the zombies getting into woodbury too, oh they just kill some no mark and then everything is fine? ok, great build up of tension there.
enjoyed crazy rick again though.
you might be being a bit harsh on the new characters, they've not really established a personality to act against have they?
It's more of a case of how glaring it is when the writers only give characters moments to service the scene. The discussion about how they should take the weapons from Carol and boy could have been perfectly in-tune with the characters themselves (although I'm sceptical about that given how naive and innocent they've been shown as so far) but even if that is the case they need to exist in scenes to lead up to a moment like that rather than only appearing when the narrative needs moving forward. It's difficult when there are so many balls in the air I guess but even so.
The problem with a show like this is that it's too obvious when the writers are moving everyone around in order for the big moments to happen. You can almost picture the writers room with the names of all the characters and where they are geographically, emotionally etc and them all scratching their heads about how to get everything in-place for the next plot point.
You almost feel sometimes that conversations could be happening between any combination of characters purely based on where they are geographically at that moment in time.
just gonna give them the benefit of the doubt on this one. hope they do address it this time, you're right about the show's track-record... the most likely route for those two is grudging acceptance into the group and then swift, grisly death. all before the subject is raised.
had a feeling something was coming in that episode.
and Carol was like "T-DOGG ALSO DIED"
nobody ever remembers T Dogg :(
He was going to wake up and stab her, smiling as she crumpled onto the floor.
Sh looooves him. Also, what was the whole "If you go, don't bother coming back" and then she comes back and he's all "Ohh you chose us, give us a kiss"
Is she meant to actually be in love with the Governor and really torn over her allegiance to him or Rick etc? Does she have any actual loyalty to Karen and Martinez (lol)? Is she legit scared of what Rick and the group has become? Why the actual fuck does she verbalise her actions to anyone who will listen regardless of any rhyme or reason to do so?
Every scene involving her in the last episode should have been poignant in some way but given I have literally no idea what the character is supposed to be thinking or what is motivating her they all just fell completely flat or descended into unintentional ambiguity. She is just so bad that she's ruining the show frankly.
since she found his room full of heads and apparently that doesn't mean anything?
that the psycho (Philip) attacked them and released a bunch of zombies into their backyard. Though I think Michonne nailed it when she told Andrea that the 'God Complex' was spreading.
All of the major events in her life have absolutely no impact on her, she should be pissed off that the group left her, she isn't, she should be shit-scared of the Governor after finding out he's a total lunatic, she isn't.
Combine this with her ability to forge seemingly important allegiances with extras despite never actually conversing but having a severe case of verbal diarrhea with people she should be suspicious of and you've got one of the most poorly written and badly performed characters I can remember in a successful TV show.
Which is a shame because her character in the graphic novels is one of the best
loved the dark humour and the bleak ending.
was a good break from the guv'nor etc
- Michonne revealing a bit more about herself, mainly taking the hippie chic cat.
- No Andrea
- Morgan and Rick, especially when Morgan is recounting his son's death
- "Erin" clearly being reduced to a skeleton after seeing the banner she left.
- The poor hitchhiker
i'm out. that's it. done.
i can't watch it any longer.
This wasn't one of them though, have you watched the very latest one?
loved that Martinez got some character-fleshing-out. his grin when he bashed the zombie's head in was brilliant. good scenes with Daryl.
David(?) Morrissey is a great actor.
got a bad feeling about Beth.
after that conversation with Hershel and him getting disturbed when the Governor said what he was really going to do, i get the feeling Milton might yet do something significant, which adds to the potential wildcards that could end up changing sides
Last week seems even more of an anomaly after that to be honest. Tedious.
ie, because of the changes in the way comics are now presented, that single issues are something of a minority part of sales and most titles now stay in print for years as trade paperback collections, that writers don't bother with constructing single issues that stand alone and instead write 5/6 issue arcs that are designed to work as a single collected volume.
i feel like the TV series is a bit like that - as a DVD boxset consumed in a week or two it'll be great, but as a collection of individual episodes consumed over a much longer period it doesn't work nearly as well.
by bulk-watching the first two series (in a couple of days, i think). i dunno though, i don't remember ever really disliking an episode. i'll poke holes in the plot or question certain things, but i always find it pretty gripping regardless
the best one yet.
great suspense the whole way thru, and the mixing of the similar characters could have been really corny, but made for brilliant viewing. it was also shot beautifully
More focus like that please, it wasn't brilliant and still suffered from some baffling moments but at least it wasn't trying to keep every single plate spinning all at once like some of the other episodes this year.
What on earth did that flashback cold-open add though!?
really didnt get that at the start.. :/
ok episode.. always knew the gun'nor could pop up though when it didnt show him being turn apart
We're at the stage with audiences being a lot more tv/film-literate it would be a bigger surprise if an off-screen *death* actually was a death these days.
i don't get other people's views on the show sometimes. that was easily the worst episode i've seen. it was like a third-rate slasher parody or something. 'he's behind you!' where the fuck did that come from?
the main reason it was so tedious was because you knew neither of them was going to die. shockingly bad episode.
why won't they give him any lines??
what a badass way to go out.
Picked up a lot towards the end though, Daryl seeing Merle like that was devastating.
I couldn't really give one single fuck what happens in the finale to be honest.
It recovered and had lots of nice little character touches. Another Gimple written effort. Not hitting the highs of some of his other efforts - namely Clear, Pretty Much Dead Already and 18 Miles Out. But it a sign that the show will be in good hands next season.
I've read that Mazzara basically completely lost control of the show in the second half, hence why so many of the eps have been so mediocre
It's kind of unbelievable how much of a hit it is
actual give us a closer or will it be a cliffhanger on to next season..?
Non Descript Prison Blonde Girl EVS
Everyone in Tyreese's group bar Tyreese EVS
Glenn & Maggie 50/1 (I know they got engaged so they should be prime for a murdering but they've flouted horror convention before and got away with it)
Carl, Rick and Daryl - All 1000/1
Does it even matter? Everyone outside of the main characters are basically the exact same person anyway.
Really hope they get rid of Andrea too, she's been my least favourite of the group since the beginning; I was willing her to top herself at the start of season 2.
herschel takes the bullet.
daryl takes martinez down.
andrea interupts the guvnor and michonnes stand off.. choose michonne, michonne cuts andrea and the guvnors heads off in one swoop.
Merle drinking and listening to Motorhead was brilliant.
Good ending for him.
what's the tally? he's killed 2 prisoners, whereas roughly (16?) woodbury people have been killed. ri-donkulous.
How many of the Woodbury 'army' were even killed during that little ambush? Also with the Governor down to just 2 henchmen, wouldn't it make more sense to ditch the prison and decamp to Woodbury?
Merle took out a lot of top 'henchmen' , which was obviously meant to be significant. the rest of the 'army', apart from Martinez, Chuppert and Tyreese's moody friend, were clearly out of their depth, especially when you throw them into a tomb with zombies and sirens. so they freaked. the firefight was realistic enough, i thought. it was glenn and maggie firing, with three people returning fire. i can accept no-one getting a direct hit there. they were a bit lucky that the grenade launcher was presumably out of ammo. i was convinced that either glenn and maggie were going to take a headshot after taking off their helmets. overall a bit of a strange finale but kudos for going against what may have been expected. i just don't know what they have planned with the extended cast of characters.
our heroes were able to disable that massive gun thing
The problem was in execution it fell flat. No intensity.
Can't believe I'm saying this, but the best bits were actually Milton/Andrea. Was a real wrench watching Milton die like that, and despite myself I even felt sad during the Andrea/Michonne bit before going *er wut?*
a fortified prison with empty lands around it would be a better long-term one
they never really had time to explore this in the TV series but in the comics they started farming within the prison
I'd say they do about three or four good episodes per season.
Not saying much I know.
The problem was the second half, bar Clear, which is the best thing the show has ever done, was pretty redious. The first half of the season was pretty great.
Anyway, Scott Gimple takes over as showrunner next year. His episodes have always been the best, but he also has an eye for tiny little ways to round out characters and get things to make a bit more sense. I'm optimistic.
I roared with glee when Andrea finally snuffed it.
When they pulled back her top and we saw the bite I said, "waaay!"