what is your annual salary?
mine = £30,000 that includes a bit of overtime and a yearly bonus.
feeling like this kind of figure doesn't really cut the mustard given the expense of living now a days, not sure what to do about it though.
you?
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£110k.
also should state london or not london probably
hmmm
hmmm?
is LME/no LME useful to know,
any more than agency/self-employed/perm status, or (flexibility of) hours per week is?
swings and half dozens innit
yeah you're right
may as well delete the thread
bit extreme.
well we're just quote numbers without any context at all then
indeed.
which sounds massively like the kind of thread you'd revel in, no?
so we're doing things my way now?
tidy
in the future perhaps,
but i think i might have irked enough people in this thread to make it more than just a list of arbitrary numbers
irked? who?
I suspect you're on more than a lot of us. Here we go..
In b4 £55k
fucker
£55k
wow
55K
£11k
But hopefully not for long!
Do you really think people are going to tell the truth?
It's a bit uncouth to ask. We're not American (mostly).
it is a bit uncouth
But you can answer pretty anonymously (at least I can) dont see the point in telling fibs
used to think 30k was adequate for a decent life but not so sure now
31k and you've got yourself a decent life
30k and you might as well shit in your socks.
hi, brightonb/KennyDope!
Scandanavian countries don't have the hang ups about earnings that we do.
And everyone's are freely viewable to everyone else.
I suspect that the fact that they're much more egalitarian societies has something to do with this.
So so so so this
£9828
Going up to £12168 from the end of this month.
probably the only one to answer seriously
the more people earn,
the more coy they are about discloding their income
i'm thinking it's mostly due to a sense of guilt
Or they remember how it made them feel when they earned less
Kinda the same thing, no?
Not sure I agree but it's certainly a valid point
Did he get the boot then?
not yet
But we've recently been told we're getting a pay rise.
That's a pretty sweet payrise.
I think I have a very good standard of living
I know I don't live in London, or have a car or children, but I rent a 2 bed flat with my boyfriend 1 mile from the city centre, I have at least 1 foreign holiday a year, I can afford to buy myself nice clothes and that, I go out almost whenever I want.
I don't understand how everyone here warning 30k+ says they could do with more. Do mortgages and cars and children really cost more than 20k a year?
depends on where you live, how much of a spoiling you give your spawn
how flash a car you have.
but yeh, from people who have such things, they're a cash sink of titanic proportions even at the lower end of the luxury scale.
£55k.
still!?!
Thought you would have got a raise by now? Not cutting the mustard?
There's a recession on, don't you know...
+ bens?
More than you,
less than PickledO.
1 million pounds
an hour
less than you, and it's more than enough, in london
shut up about your mustard cutting
32k two years ago
26k last year
14k this year
i'm going to be paying to go to work inside of 3 years
None of your business.
Relevant
http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Ask-WTF-Salary.aspx
In particular
If you spend your life peeking at other people’s paychecks, you’re never going to be satisfied. On a purely personal level, you need to focus more on whether or not you’re making enough for you. If you’re satisfied with your income, if you can support the kind of lifestyle you want to support and maybe save up a little for the future, that’s great. If you’re not- then that’s a small-scale, personal problem that you can take steps to correct.
agreed
my wife was doing some temping at my office about 6 yrs ago and saw how much my manager was earning. I told her I wasn't interested in knowing as if I've got a problem with how much I earn I'll speak to someone about it.
£20 for French
£50 for Full Sex (although I often think a nice kiss is better)
I have no problem declaring this shit
Dunno why people get so precious about it
£37k.
But shit possibly. I could do with more but have enough innit.
I dunno
I just find talking about money and how much you earn really embarrassing and vulgar. And it doesn't and shouldn't matter to anyone but myself and my partner.
Why's it vulgar?
Boasting about money or talking about how your wallet is too small for all your fifties is vulgar.
Answering a question about how much you earn when someon enquires isn't vulgar.
There's too much weirdness about money in this world. People attach it to achievemetn or happiness or class when it's none of those things. "filthy rich" for example. Why's it filthy?
Bollocks to it. The sooner people loosen up about cash, the better everyone will feel.
RANT OVER
your partner doesnt think so :D
Just an insecurity thing, isn't it.
Those who earn an okay wage, say over £30k, don't mind saying so amongst friends.
Those who earn a pittance get insecure about how they're doing in life and inevitably go down the 'Eurgh, i think it's all a bit vulgar' route to cover their backs.
nah.
it's the opposite. because of guilt.
I'm trying to work ut who you're expecting to get a rise out of with this *guilt* thing
Maybe PO? RR?
eh?
why do you mention PO or RR?
Who's PO or RR?
Can we not abbreviate please? I have to think.
Me and Ranraals
Your evil overlords.
Met Raanraals at ATP.
Summary: Nice bloke, with undetectable levels of evil.
bang on
Nah
He knows he won't get a rise out of me. I earn a lot of money but anybody who knows me also knows that I'm unfailingly generous with it, to the point of madness, probably. I only feel guilty for my unborn children who might have a better life if I didn't spend it all on friends and more often than I care to admit, virtually strangers. I might feel guilty when my share options crystallise and I hit seven figs, but I'll let you all know.. Maybe.
I'm getting the first round in if we cross each others paths over the weekend,
which we should, obv.
<3
That would be lovely :)
AGree that RR is TOP. (IN fact, just to disprove my last post, I owe him a lunch. Raanraals, if you are reading this. Let's lunch.)
http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/social/4417290#r7071646
http://miami.citypudding.com/files/2010/10/confused-man-704503.jpg
Not insecure at all.
I actually do pretty well for my age and qualifications. I just don't feel the need to tell anyone as it won't improve my life and if it improves theirs in any way by knowing what I earn, they're a very sad person who has no life.
but
you 'feel the need' to discuss any amount of other stuff on here, even though it 'won't improve your life in any way' by discussing it.
sharing wage info can be a productive exercise for employees. see: wage scales, etc.
bosses are happy about a state of affairs where it didn't get discussed, because it makes it easier for them to pull the wool over our eyes and play employees off against each other.
divide and rule: a quintessential Tory way of thinking.
Well it can.
Talking to people, on here and real life, about the other stuff I'm interested in is going to improve my life by having good conversation or learning new things. What can I learn from what cat_race is earning? That he earns less than me? Wow. That he earns more than me? Wow. I have no interest in either and don't see why anyone should have any interest in mine.
the figure alone is, as cat_race himself identifies upthread, a largely useless piece of info.
but allied to supplementary info, it can be part of an enlightening discussion.
if that area of discussion is of no interest to you whatsoever, then fair enough, but it makes the 'very sad person who has no life' barb look a little odd/unnecessary.
I'm just not someone who can find an enlightening discussion about money
in any sense. I don't like it and in my opinion and experience, is mainly used for people to judge or to brag. And I don't agree with that. And I'm sure I'm not alone.
If you're so desperate to know what I earn and want talk about it, then I will tell you.
you're not alone.
i agree that people who brag about this kind of thing are clearly momos. (i reserve the right to silently judge without giving anyone any grief).
i'm really really not desperate to know what you earn. such info would probably be as useful to me as knowing your bra size.
and if money (or, rather, discussion of it*) is never a worthwhile or enlightening feature of your life, then so be it.
*except for in this thread, natch.
:D
fucks sake moker
you're always going on about how you ate your job and stuff, that's loads of money.
you could easily save up a fair wad and than just sack off your job or cut your hours down
Man with higher-than-average salary in 'happy to declare it' shocker.
:D
I was happy to declare it when I earnt £6.50 an hour
It's a non issue. I'm happy to declare that my family are poor as hell. Remember I'm (not that much) older than most people here (younger than Theo - ZING) but I'm outearned by most of my peers.
Also, I live in London. It costs me £200 just to get to work every month. I have loans coming out my anus and my disposable income is small. Which I guess is the crux of the issue.
This is why people don't declare their wage... Judgement!
just less than 55k
22 grand job! [(not) in the city, it's alright]
7 inches
also it's incredibly thin like a noodle
with a weird tip, as though it had had a lathe run across it at a 45 degree angle. About halfway down the shaft there is a large lump, like a snake that had swallowed a golf ball.
seventeen pounds per hour, currently,
doing circa thirty-six hours per week, on a temporary zero hour 'contract'.
I hate zero hour contracts.
I've got one at the moment. My pay's actually dead good (officially £15 an hour but usually £22.50 in practice as you get a 1.5x rate to include preparation time) but I don't actually get enough hours to make a living.
which receptionist agency are you using at present, mate?
I've changed jobs.
I'm now a Croatian etymologist's teaboy.
Really?
That's interesting.
Might be able to get you in at our place, though you'd also have to answer to the handwriting expert and body language doctor.
I'll bear that in mind.
:D
aye.
fortunately the hours are reliable, and the role is identified as necessary, so the post isn't going to disappear overnight (but if it does it'll be to turn it into a perm role which I could apply for). not the best, but could be worse.
£25, 510 in salary
Then a side job that probably pays less than minimum wage but I enjoy the work so its cool. I was earning less than half of that two years ago and paying more for a flat and I started to lose my mind.
To quantify:
If I'd have joined 2 months prior I would be on £35,000+ - the comparable job in my previous work was £13,000 and it was a brutally efficient machine whereas here is a shambles
average for my area
this would be better with ages too
27 £17,500
But hoping to go contracting next year and quintuple that
A company I used to work for
auctioned off their old PCs to employees to make some money back on obsolete machines. Hoarder friend of mine bought one, which hadn't had its HDD formatted / removed. On it were a bunch of (outdated) HR docs, including a spreadsheet documenting the salary and benefits of every single person in the company, as of 9 months prior.
please continue this anecdote
Not much else to tell really
I was a grad, so less than almost all of them on there. Came in useful for reviews to know what I potentially could earn. Started a dialogue between me and my friend about how much we earned while we were working there, which was awkward.
35 zl an hour!
256,664
£30,000 doesn't cut the mustard?
Yes, yes it does.
wat
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£18k
Bits of freelance work get me an extra £1-2k a year on top of that.
£32,100
I really need to either be promoted or get a new job. Been thinking of moving agency side and becoming an account or planning manager where I'll go to £35k
My boss has just got back off maternity and announced she's leaving to join our main competitor. I applied for her maternity cover and got told no chance. I'm going for it this time and if I don't get promoted after 4 years I'll probably quit on principle.
Through some lazy printing I also know how much everyone gets paid which gives me an upper hand in negotiating
It's mostly enough to live well on, but since I moved in with just my gf money has been extraordinarily tight
All the more grating because a lot of my friends work in finance. Ordering the penne arribiatta as terms like *million dollar guarantee* float around the table can be a bit wrist slashing
Read that post back to yourself, mate.
I sound like a business man from the professional world of business
What's the matter - scared of some self progression?
You should be like
Hey BOSS - Arribiatta PAYRISE???!!!
:D
You sound like a tit
Yeah but
that's their clients banking facilities they're talking about, surely, not their own? I'm sure, being their mate, you also see first hand the horrific side of working in finance too. The money needs to be saved up to spend on shrinks when you have your inevitable fourteen breakdown on your 35th birthday.
£12k
Live just outside of London. I hardly ever have any money... should be getting a pay rise soon though.
35
over 40 with freelance additions, although that obv fluctuates.
Would like to be on 50 when I'm 30.
that's not bad.
i thought you worked for a guitar website and did freelance music writing. must've got the wrong end of the stick, cos that wouldn't earn you £40k a year.
;)
You must've, yes. I mainly freelance for business-to-business mags atm, which is where the moolah is (although not finance mags, which is where the SERIOUS cash is, damn it).
yeah, i know a couple of people who work for trade mags.
they earn okay money, but their jobs involve quite a lot of sales/general talking of shite on the phone, so a big no-no for me. i like to earn money solely for making BIG DECISIONS.
:D
you sort of want to be behind a big mahogany desk, stopping smoking your cigar for a second only to quietly say 'fine. Sell Russia their oil back. But they fucking owe me.'
47.5k
The question was: what is your annual salary?
Not: how many men has your mother slept with?
*you have
1258
omg me too
TURBOTWERP
:D
more in 000s than my age
I'm self-employed...
...so my salary varies quite a bit depending on how often I work and what kind of role I'm fulfilling. Last year I earnt £128k for a 10 month contract which my second most profitable year to date.
doing what?
i'm looking for something that pays slightly more money but comes with less responsibility.
Finance IT...
...my area of speciality is inter-dealer brokers.
man, that must involve a lot time spent dealing with absolute cheeseballs.
but still, if you're pulling £10k+ a month, well worth it.
Oh yes, I have indeeed bitched about it on here before
The last place I was working featured the worst scumbags I have ever had the misfortune to work with...
Any particular markets?
Yup...
...the market I am most familiar with these days is wet and dry shipbroking. Not entirely through choice I should point out.
Ah
Our paths most likely won't have crossed then
There's another broker on here...
...the-breecher I think. Can't remember what he brokes though. Where are you?
I'm not a broker
And as the username suggests, am London based
That's not narrowing it down at all :(
Hi
Still at work and utterly down on this whole industry at the moment
I spelt your name incorrectly...
...I apologise sir.
Sorry to interrupt, gentlemen but you have a board meeting in 5 minutes
*starboard
i ahte these threads
they make me feel poor as
Classic chris-budget
always smiling in teh face of adversity
shut up about money
chis-budget you hunk
might just become a gigalo
You need to work harder.
or at least get a strong family
:D
Cross-referencing this with the WTFAY thread,
you're all rich, handsome bastards. WTF are you doing on here? Internet forums are for poor, ugly people.
Doesn't matter how rich and handsome you are
if you still wet the bed as an adult there's only so much self-esteem you can muster
:D
I'm taking solace in the fact that no matter how attractive and rich you are you'll likely still be bored shitless for the majority of the day.
fix capitalism
round about £15k
but I don't pay tax and my job isn't really a job job
Are you SURE you don't work in a toilets?
those guys must easily make more than 15k
it's like a quid a spray for lynx africa and a chupachup
Having read some of these answers, and asuming that most of them aren't bullshit,
make me wonder where I went wrong.
money schmoney
We have a system that doesn't tax people enough, you see.
If we had higher income tax rates, you would more money in your pocket and everything would be great.
Hang on...
If we had higher income tax rates, there'd be less of a difference in how much money people have in their pockets and everything would be great.
*Fixed*
Dunno why you bother dude
Your politics makes about as much logical sense as having Jimmy Saville tutor your teenage daughter. You know, 'cos that wouldn't make sense because he liked molesting young girls.
mainly cause he's dead though...
In your haste to be inflamatory you've forgotten to make sure your sentence
made sense, pal. Always next time though.
If all I really cared about was money, I would never have entered this profession.
*your mum
i need to change the past
fucks sake dis
STOP NOT WORKING!
oh great it IS working now
argh
Bet there's stuff in your life people would be envious of
I wouldn't worry about it. And I say that as a massive under achiever.
but for the record, you should probably spend less time on the internet
fix
I just get to keep some of the aftershave and lollipops
NO CK BE, NO SIKH FAY-NEE etc
I've got no beef with telling people how much I earn
Given a fellow employee posts here I could potentially get in trouble for it though.
It's not much, I struggle for most of the year but it's bolstered out with a nice annual bonus which makes the months after it a bit easier. That said, given the *work* I do I can't really complain about it not being a bank-breakingly good salary. If/When I get married/have kids I'm almost certainly going to need a career change though.
what is it you do at FM?
do people actually get paid for updating player databases, etc, 'cos that's my ideal job. in fact, i'd do that just for expenses, for sure.
always suspected fanboys do all that shit, though, and the paid work might be writing code, etc, which would make me want to drown myself.
I'm a lead QA tester primarily who does a bit of writing on the side
It's one step above the entry level temp testing position that comes up every year but it's pretty unique in the games industry for QA to be fully paid up, permanent members of the studio with an input into development etc so I'm lucky from that point of view.
Our research is done almost exclusively on a voluntary, club-by-club (or league-by-league) basis but we obviously have an in-house database team to make sure the research makes it's way into the game properly and everything.
do you ever get reports
where some team like chesterfield has a player submitted with like Freekicks 19 and you're all like, yeah right more like 9 in your division chump and have to correct them?
The major leagues have a head researcher who looks over everything the club specific researchers send in to make sure there's nothing nuts in it
And then it's vetted again when we get our hands on it. The volunteers all have a really strict set of guidelines they need to adhere to to make sure they stay sane with it all.
Is it true the guy from Arsenal got the boot after fM 08?
Because ALL their young players turned out to be world beaters?
I joined for FM09 so that may or may not be true
I do know the guy who was responsible for Serge Makofo years ago though.
was that 08?
there was definitely one where Arsenal had a seemingly unlimited supply of unstoppable supermen ... and they spent money too :(
someone I know used the editor to put himself in
as a potentially world class 17 year old at his old town team - like potentially Messi like - but tried to make him a total sicknote to balance it out.
£32k
Should be £33k next year all being well.
I live perfectly comfortably and am still able to chin away £400 a month into the old savings.
I mean everyone could do with more money because there's an infinite amount of stuff you can spend money on... I do get a bit worried when people who are on £30k+ are talking about it not being `enough`... It's a fair old whack still, that.
£37k
with an extra 5/6k on top from private consultancy.
Half my age plus 7
Twice my age plus more than 7
Knew I should have kept you close
£140k
I find that knowing
what everyone else gets paid is a massive help. But that's the advantage of being an accountant.
and
I'm still a nice person
£19970
It's not very much.
my supervisor's supervisor was on about that when I worked for the council
gold plated public sector jobs
£1337
About 16250
but as it's a wage, not a salary, I dunno. Still live reasonably well mind.
£££competitive
:D
£6.64/hr
worked out once what I earnt at my stupid pointless enraging old job, it was considerably more :(
£7488 plus dividends
has anyone said £0 yet? my salary is £0
80085
£29,500 this month
£34,000 next month. Wooop!
Plenty for me to live on here ooooop north. I have absolutely no idea how I would manage on that in that London.
You'd probably be fine.
Might not be able to afford foie gras at every meal, but you'd adjust.
You just get it sent over from abroad and it's affordable as hell
£12,600 :(
Just gone up from £12,500. I get a bonus every 3 months too but I can't remember how much it usually is. Not that much.
£30k pa (+ bens and bonus) at the point i quit.
Currently on Zero Pounds pa.
Bit bored, so probably back working by the end of the year.
i'm just mad I don't get as much as a dentist
some overpaid people right there
I'm 100% sure there are some nice dentists but i've never met one.
everyone's fillings and bridges and are always falling out as well
Not enough probably.
It's less than what I was on before, but given I don't work in finance any more, that's to be expected.
It's quite a stressful job while I'm at work, I have to have some difficult conversations with people and do a lot of persuading and education with regards to the project I'm managing and produce reports and have meetings with the big swinging dicks of my company.
But then I only do 35 hours a week and can come home and not feel too stressed.
Hopefully use the skills gained in this contract job to go and do something better paid afterwards.
I think my hourly rate works out at about £24k
which is more than I thought - pretty happy about that.
You get paid £24k per hour!?!
Buy me some stuff.
mine would fall at about the median level for this thread
am fairly surprised that so many of you claim that comfortable living would require a salary of 40k+, unless you have children
LME cokeheads.
Paying for all those expensive sploshing habits.
i hope they put a tarp or something down
but being lme, they'd probably just leave it for their cleaner to deal with in the morning.
the thing I really don't get, then
is that I'm LME myself and I'm still baffled by it all
oh wait I just realised you all DRIVE CARS
haha
sorry to tell you this boss, but obv not up to the e in lme then.
I have a child's scooter AND a bike
fucking roll how I like, yo
is this your bike?
http://www.drewhaeffele.com/kilin-time/single-gallery/7134399
that is some heavy teutonic futurist chiaroscuro shit
would rock in the weimar
200
not enough
£64k
cheers and cheers
£5200
Yours,
Scout Warbucks
I Get paid the equivelent of 12,000 pounds a year
+ a further 2,500 in bonuses + 500 for flights
Which sounds shite but my acoomodation is paid for, i don't pay taxes and everything is dirt cheap. Reckon at the moment i'm saving upwards of 500 pounds a month :D
less than some itt
but its all tax free. Oh yeah.
haha yeah pretty sure it's not supposed to be
half my pay packet each month arrives to me as a lovely wod of cash. My company has a woman employed who's main job seems to be to cook the books and occasionally pop along to work outings!
God bless the Chinese and their corrupt ways :D
Equivalent to 55K
which is currently covering a large mortgage plus all household expenses while the missus is in full-time study for four years. It's a bit of a stretch, but I'm still at the stage where I'm feeling quite chuffed that we can manage it at all. Talk to me in three years' time.
33 pence per minute.
a shade over £27K
Same
Having to move to live somewhere cheaper.Cost of living keeps going up.
About this at the moment
Although it is over two jobs like
I just had a quick look back
As I was recently headhunted for a job and I told my boss and he has just put my salary up by 5k per year with a choice of shares.
I just accepted. Phew. Hate talking about money in general though.
great to see this thread again
still surprisingly depressing
{classic chris-budget}
After tomorrow, £0 p/a
WTF have I done????
do you think earning £0 makes you more indie
pickled bugg?
If it's indie to be poor and happy and perhaps a little bit terrified, then yes. I am WAY more indie ;)
I reckon you'll be OK, Love
When the Lord closes a door, somewhere He opens a window.
(The Sound Of Music - 1965)
Burglary- Good advice
I love that bit in the film <3
you'll obvs be fine
Nice this thread has popped up
Just got called into the office...expecting to be let go...offer of a managers job as the departments being made bigger. WHEEEEY PARTY! (disclaimer...its still alot less than 90% of people in here)
congrats!
Congrats!
b d
Cheers guys!
WHHHHEEEEY!!!
i don't even know you but i resent your success
:)
Success is a very subjective word
Just being able to eat and pay rent is all Im after.
Eat AND pay rent
oooh get you!
[congrats btw :)]
YES, I KNEW IT!!!!!
Right, the milkybars are on you, my friend :DDD
Milkybars are being purchased as we speak
C O N G R A T S
:D
...oh man I'm so happy for you.
Let's hug it out?
£38k
Then roughly £5k additionally on private consultancy stuff.
You payrise bastard
http://drownedinsound.com/community/boards/social/4417290#r7072632
Increment innit
Should have looked through the thread first though!
£9k...
...more than when I first posted in this thread. Good times.
I don't care, I don't know you people
This year, 72k.
£12,750
Oh I didn't realise I'd posted here before
It was only today I got the email that it had gone up from the previous £12,600. 1.2%!!!!111
has gone up a couple of quid per hour since the upthread post.
just applied for a year long job which'd be a ~10k increase (and i'd shit myself, due of stress, and eventually get found out in if i actually fluked my way into it - too tempting to not apply, though, as it's five mins walk from my front door). gonna apply for one at the weekend which'd be a >£5k cut (but sounds like the same as what i'm doing now, but an hour closer, and perm, and cushdy). the dollars is only the half of it.
Day job earnings have increased since before
Having switched jobs. However the time it takes to get new job done has lessened my freelance take so I'm only about a grand up
When I start in June
It'll be 42k€
Enough for now
Set to double in the next ~2-3 years. Maybe a bit more if I can be arsed risking moving firms.
Basically I just want enough to keep me in fresh swan necks for wiping my arse with. Goals are good to have.
Enough, just
35 days a year, plus Bank Holidays
i'm about to take a 2k drop!!
alright mr dubstep
WOW
You guys are loaded.
I'm currently earning about £500 a month on average though it goes up a lot in the summer. So... I'd say £7,000 per year about.
The last couple months were dire though, like, £400 odd quid a month dire.
hang on it might be about £8,000
but that's only cos of more hours in summer. God I need a steady job, I had 48 hours two weeks ago and then I had 15 this week! AHHH
£17k
Does me just fine. I spend it all too.