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I'm not sure that's what you're asking though, you cheeky scamp.
her hearts in the right place tho and i think we pretty much agree on all the important stuff.
Except for schooling which we CLASH on.
Not being able to spend time socially with them at things like gigs and clubnights would be terrible. I'd only really care about their political allegiance if they went on about it all the time, which would probably clash with me being completely fucking apathetic.
If they were very, very Conservative but were able to articulate their views with acceptable levels of analysis, thought and eloquence then I see no problem.
This would be far preferable to going out with someone who shares similar views to myself but has absolutely no robust political thought whatsoever, and seems to hold those views just for the sake of it.
The former I'd respect, the latter I couldn't.
For instance, you often display a notable amount of vehement contempt on here for people who seem to have views different to yours. As a result, I can imagine you don't deal too well with people whose views differ from yours because, well, you don't appear to respect them, often simply because they don't have the privilege of being the same views as yours.
Also the phrase `just because they're eloquent` is a rather dramatic reduction of my argument; and the introduction of the idea (absent in the OP) of `completely opposite views` is a rather dramatic change in the parameters of the debate. I don't know exactly what views are being discussed here, you see. I couldn't go out with someone who was fervently anti-immigration, for instance, no matter how well-argued their point was. However, I could go out with someone who truly believed that unregulated free-market capitalism is the best way to organise our economic affairs if they believed in it from a good and well-educated place.
I fail to see why you'd react so strongly to my point but, then again, I fail to see why you react so strongly to most things...
than someone who may have a bit of reasoned debate with you every so often?
If you are a bit sensitive to that word being put in capital letters in a non-threatening context then maybe your skin isn't as impenetrable as I had previously given you credit for.
Card carrying BNP member
because some/many tory concepts make the people hatable......well not all, because for those I dont know very well I assume a degree on ignorance on their behalf about what life is really about.
However If I went out with someone who had these concepts and I then found that it wasnt just ignorance.....well then, I would be with someone whose thoughts I hated and whose heart I would find ugly, I do not hold appearance to be something that could ever overide these problems
That's the answer.
Fuck, that must be boring.
Best to keep it as general as possible, i think. Stick to things they understand. Save all that stuff for middle age when your mates have all fucked you off and she's the only pal you've got left.
They thought me being left-wing was 'quite sweet'
yes, as long as their fundamental values (look after poor people and believe in improving equality of opportunity etc etc etc) were the same as mine. Differences of method are fine.
A different general party affiliation would be fine, and different views on economics etc wouldn't be a big deal, but I very much doubt I'd want to go out with someone socially conservative.
As long as the core motivations were the same as mine, but she just thought you achieved them through different means. I'd probably find it easier to go out with a socialist who wasn't a civil liberties hating psychopath than a Tory who was crazy into lock em up and throw away the key.
Like at all. CG doesn't talk to me about politics unless I ask him what he thinks about a certain thing. We've had like 2 things we've disagreed on but we disagree on the whole BBC vs ITV in the morning a lot more than anything political.
someone who agrees about everything = *tears hair out*
someone who disagrees about everything = *tears hair out*
someone who has a vaguely similar worldview but disagrees on some things and agrees on other = sure
however if they were really really into politics then that would be a bit off putting.
there's much more important, worthwhile things to judge women on, like rack, arse, pins, and whether they mind being the designated driver all the time or not.
Most left wing types run a mile from anyone a little bit tory.
I've lost count of the times I've been called an extremist because I'm a member of the Labour Party and went on a demonstration once.
that you are a member of the Labour Party and that you went on a demonstration once.
as being a faux pas. I thought that was a really good way of putting it.
The judgements people make about what it must mean are really annoying.
You might as well announce you have the plague to some people...
I wouldn't mention it, but doing what we do it's hard to avoid because it comes up when people ask about work. It's one of the reasons I'm most glad to be leaving.
it just doesn't seem right for a young person to embrace 'the establishment' to the degree that they would join ANY mainstream political party, but the tories are the most establishment. The youth are meant to be irritatingly idealistic in a way that the pragmatic world of politics can't fulfil.
Where you planning to go? Pm me if you prefer
Yeah, I find that in some places I fib about what I do, just so that I don't have to go through that awkwardness again. Clearly shouldn't be such a bedwetter in the first place...
People who refuse to befriend/date those who vote for the same party as them are utterly tedious cunts and given their narrow-mindedness in that regard, quite probably boring and shit in bed to boot.
Rather have someone with a different political viewpoint than one of those 'politics doesn't affect me' types, but ultimately there's so much else to talk about.
counts as who you really dissagree with politically.
Sometimes people are duped into voting for something that really isnt in their heart.
I dont think that it is irrelevant or tedious that I would not date someone who I felt was compassionless or heartless, I think that is EXTREMELY RELEVANT. and sometimes those factors come into politics
Fuck, imagine being a lobster.
I'm really pleased with how this went, well done both of you.
and then think shagging you would be rebelling against daddy. And besides if their morality is flexible enough to allow the NHS to be dismantled, then just think what else they might do...
And they'd just be a good laugh.
who disagreed with me on lots of fundamental political viewpoints. (her dad was a vehement tory and some of that must have rubbed off on her)
I ended up just getting annoyed at her whenever we talked about something that was even slightly political because she didn't know how to justify what she said whenever i challenged her on it.
I'm a little impatient with people who won't engage in a proper conversation about stuff like that.
then this would matter, for I do need to respect the person to a large degree.
No matter how eloquent a racist or sexist or facist is, I could never respect them.
It is more important (for me) to be with someone whose heart is in the right place (I know this is a meaningless expression, but it often informs where someone is politically)
it's a not a big issue.
I'd embrace the chance to consider ideas that hadn't previously occurred to me whilst hopefully imparting some of my own to her. We could discuss and debate and maybe unveil truths that had previously been hidden from both of us. Obviously if we were completely, diametrically opposed on fundamental issues, common ground would be hard to find, but I don't know that it would be any more frustrating than having someone agree with me on absolutely everything, depriving me of an opportunity to clarify my beliefs to myself, let alone to her. It sounds really nice, actually.