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I watch Rules of Engagement (because those are the only two channels I have).
It was shit. But they got a lot of mileage out of the short lecherous one being short.
which has Sheldon and nothing else
with the qualification that it's heaps better than Friends
Wot, more than one camera? That's all of them isn't it?
I'm sure even the edgy-satire-comedies have more than one camera.
and performed sort of like a play, like. as opposed to CYE or whatever
its AWFUL and has the least likeable characters of any sitcom i've w atched
without everyone being all what about malcolm in the middle, modern family, the office, 30 rock etc?
Shut up though.
but it is a weird distinction to make between studio sitcoms and more naturalistic ones
but it was primarily a way to give credit to the show without being too effusive about it. As El says further up, it's not the biggest claim to make, but I do find it very funny - particularly the writing. Maybe I should have said it's the most sharply written, etc, etc... because it's that too (Thursday's season premiere was awful though :((((().
there are some reasons why.
My issue with it is the same as Fasier - just because it's subject is ostensibly clever, doesn't make the show itself clever. Intelligence comes from the writing and the structure, not the fact the characters talk about wine and physics.
Sheldon is clearly autistic and they constantly use it for laughs.
Fraiser isn't so bad, it shows it's age a bit now but I'll watch it if it's on, TBBT is naff though, my housemate constantly watches it and laughs at it far more than he should.
Frasier is one of THE shows for structure and writing. Can't think of many shows who do dramatic irony better than Frasier.
Can't believe you just compared Frasier to The big bang theory. Fraiser actually has fucking characters.
Did Frasier start/finish after Friends? The Big Bang Theory is the best MCAS since Frasier.
It's a great farce. But my point was that just because the punchline is 'But it's a vintage Bordeaux!' doesn't automatically make it smart.
and loads of people seem to miss out that the humour comes from when Frasier isn't being pompous, they are meant to be elitists who are incredibly flawed much like the people they're mocking. I hate people that say 'it's trying too hard to be clever, just because he likes a posh wine doesn't make it funny' and I always scream 'THATS NOT THE FUCKING JOKE' right in their faces
I think the joke is played out really well, especially Niles
It's the way they constantly come a cropper for their snobby outlook on life.
i think it misses something though.
i think most of the show's audience is "casual nerds": as "geeky" culture has become popular in the last few years, there's more and more people out there claiming that they're nerds because, like, they watch BSG or read graphic novels or even because they like the christopher nolan batman films or whatever.
i think these people are laughing at the facile references because part of them identifies with the main characters and kind of aspires to be like them, whilst at the same time knowig that they dont really want to be that awkward etc. i guess the post does hit that point a bit with the "real nerds watch community" bit, though.
the problem with the show, really, is that it just isnt funny at all (again, the post hits this really well). they just say the names of comics and the audience laughs
But I don't like the whole 'nerd' thing, everyones a nerd about something, but we have this representation of a nerd being someone who plays videogames and reads comics and can't get laid, which just kinda insinuates that anyone who does those things is the same, and TBBT seems to play off and perpetuate those stereotypes.
It uses "geek" subjects as inspiration rather than punchlines.
it's the worst thing ever
Kat Dennings is a babe though.
and she's really nothing special.
It's true, but why would you do that? What kind of monster are you?
another person who ranks programs by how many cameras are used to film them.
Bit uncalled for.
just switch your brain off tv at it's finest
and more about the paucity of decent US sit-coms since the end of Friends.
for this kind of thing for years.
not many (any?) multi-angle ones
daniel you should like it because it's lovely
main character is a manhattan architect, dude. has alyson hannigan. has jason segel. is heartfelt and lovely. has deteroriated terribly over the last few seasons.
tallest dwarf and all that, but still
TBBT skips the lessons in morality for lessons in science, and that is AWESOME.
it doesn't give lessons in science at all. It uses it as a back drop but science is only ever briefly explained when someone like Penny is being patronised, otherwise it assumes the watcher is already au fait with current thinking.
I love - LOVE - bbt by the way. But Scrubs was better.
(although many of the characters were very 1D to begin with so this was a necessity for the show to survive). In comparison, BBT practically hits reset on character traits every episode. No one changes, at all.
I was messing around.
Oh. Well now I look stupid. :(
how is it in any way a multicamera show?
guess I misunderstood the term. I thought it was to contrast against the faux-documentary format things like The Office, Parks and Recreation, Arrested Development etc
with live audiences for most bits
I would recommend the episode where Raj dates a deaf girl. Really, really great.
2 pints of lager and a packet of crisps
but HIMYM is so, so much better.
Also, Friends is shit.
it really isn't funny at all
It's really, really not clever, it's exactly the same jokes, story lines and characters as every other shitty sitcom, just that every third joke references Spock or chemical elements or robots rather than baseball or music or food.
NO ONE. We've had this exact discussion before where everyone was like 'blah blah everyone who watches it does so because they think its smart and they're smart because its all about science and that'
This is the case for people who watch that Brian Cox program about the universe and space etc.
If people watch it knowing full well what it is, but enjoying it anyway then fair enough, but there are definitely some people who think it's 'clever' comedy, probably because they're very much not.
Agreed on HIMYM though, it's woeful
and 200 replies and justanothersheeldz says it's his favourite thread ever
but I suppose the best is Lucky Louie and that was shit.
It's just all so forced, isn't it? They set up all these big, ridiculous events for episodes to revolve around, like the race (caught a bit of that the other day), and the girl going around telling people Barney was a dick, and the attempt to find the burger place Marshall visited when he first moved to New York - oh, and hey, there's Regis Philbin! - and those probably aren't even the best examples, but if I think about it any longer, I'll get sad like I did when Royter-Hatfood was mean earlier in the thread. And then there are the attempts to get in-jokes running, like Robin being a child pop star and Marshall getting to slap Barney 5 times, and with something like Friends right, you get the feeling "We were on a break!" was never meant to run, but it was funny so they kept at it (for way too long, but still), whereas in HIMYM, you get the feeling all these things are being set up way, way in advance. That is, roughly, what I don't like about it.
having long term ideas is a terrible idea in writing
It's just a show. We're just talking about a show. Having long term ideas is good; failing to let a show develop its own rhythm because you're so intent on crowbarring those ideas in is bad.
your criticisms aren't even criticisms, and you like big bang theory
You seem a bit angry about it though, and you don't even have caps lock on.
in the way that Seinfeld did almost weekly.
Of course the whole thing is setting up a long-term premise way in advance. Fair enough if you don't like it but it's not so much a criticism as a statement of fact, a bit like when someone criticises a dance record that loops for being repetitive... Might not be your thing but it's not actually a problem with the show...
When did I say it made it an objectively awful show? What's going on here? And I seriously doubt there's a strong 10-year story arc they've got plotted out, if that's what you're suggesting, otherwise how's it relevant? What's it got to do with setting up a story about slapping or one about somebody being a pop star? Why does it necessitate those references? It's just a flimsy premise that they can fit relationship stories to, along with the occasional predetermined narrative landmark (technical term), and eventually conclude with "...and THAT'S how I met your mother!" Which I hate as well though, thanks for getting me on to it. You could take out that whole premise and it would be exactly the same show, minus stock footage of some kids and a Bob Saget voiceover. Not my thing.
but quite a few episodes play on the concept of memory and how your perception of an event years after differs from your original experience of it (and others' memories too). You couldn't really do that without setting up that it happened in the past.
Every sordid detail of his best friend Barney's love life.
but it survives because it pulls off enough quality gags to justify it. And it's not above undercutting it's own po-faced cutesyness for the sake of good jokes.
and I don't know if this is relevant but I'm going to put it out there anyway because I really liked it: he said sometimes, someone in his writing room would come up with an incredibly funny joke - funnier than anything they'd come up with for weeks, or even months, or even ever - but they wouldn't include it in the show, because it didn't fit any of the characters. He felt his primary responsibility was to make sure the writing was true to the characters, and if he had to cut the strongest material to make that happen, he was prepared to do it. Some people will think that's crazy, but I really like it. I think it's kind of an investment - by keeping that consistency, you're dragging people into a world where they can be more amused by jokes that are weaker on paper than ones that will push them out of that world.
this is it, really. It's all about the one-liners.
by sitcom standards. Like the guy who gets a nosebleed every time he has an erection, that was funny.
and the fact many of the episodes are built in unconventional ways (following the same event from different views etc - like Coupling did) is what I like about it. That it does all that, and still retains a very simple and affectionate set of relationships at its core.
And I think it should be really respected for the long term planning and way it uses recurring elements and plants the beginnings of ideas series in advance.
It does admittedly tread water on occasions but, at it's best, it can do some brilliantly creative things structurally within the confines of a mainstream sitcom, which is an impressive trick to pull.
Granted, it's not by any means my favourite sit-com of all time and it's a little bit bland and safe at times, plus it handled the leap from comedy to emotion clumsily at times but it was a well-written consistently funny, albeit broad, sitcom. It definitely didn't suck.
I can get how someone can watch it and think it is. But I'd accept bland shows don't usually have episodes based around shark sex fetishes...
More like BLANDLER.
It's about six young, good-looking professional types (well, five and their 'quirky' friend) living comfortably in Manhattan. There's not any real premise, so people can relate to it. The jokes are safe enough that it can be shown on morning TV. I've grown to appreciate Friends a bit more over the years, but it's pretty much the definition of bland. It wouldn't be as popular as it is otherwise.
if you factor back in American shows that aren't multi-cam sitcoms, do you have an overall favourite? Is it still TBBT?
There are lots I like; I wouldn't want to rank them. TBBT is one of few things I download the night after its American broadcast though, if that gives a better indication of my feelings.
Delocated is my current favourite American comedy. TBBT is definitely top 3.
i don't like big bang theory but at least it's... bearable.
But how i met your mother???????????? FUCK
Then someone mentions scrubs further down.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU ALL?
i'm being generous to BBT tbf, but HIMYM and scrubs are just so horrendously unfunny that it's genuinely beyond my comprehension how people can enjoy them. The humour in them is LITERALLY the sort of humour you'll find amongst 14 year olds when they're not laughing at drawings of dicks. It's self-consciously WACKY, dumb and mixed with this horrendous sentimental middle class angst that you should be GROWING OUT of by 14, not still making sitcoms based around it aged 30 or whatever. It's fucking embarrassing, and really jarring for the sitcoms as a whole.
sums up how I feel about every show mentioned in this thread
is being unafraid to enjoy being a little childish sometimes.
Talk about self-conscious. Indeed.
silly jokes aren't a bad thing. i agree to an extent with the angsty angle, but you and 90 per cent of the people on this board are filled with neuroses, so is there really such an issue with silly gags being chucked in to that mix?
napoleon dynamite is my favourite film. But as silly as it is, it's also really smart at the same time. That's the kind of silliness that's worthwhile, not shit like HIMYM that's just unremittingly, lowest-common-denomator thick.
scrubs isn't as bad an offender i dont think - i think HIMYM is toss like you do - but i can see your point.
Though the set up was done about 15minutes back so... it might not works as well
(I dont know what a multi camera comedy is and you can bollocks if im reading all this)
It's like watching a load of robots that have been programmed to behave in a certain way, it's as routine as an alarm clock being programmed to go off at 7am every morning, the same behaviour is always shown and the results of their behaviour is always the same. No one reacts differently or unexpectedly and you'll learn all their characteristics in very little with their company. They show no sign of emotional development or growth they are just robotic in every sense of the word.
That and the jokes suck*
Howard is married now, and actually does this amazing little speech about how much he's changed when Bernadette is having doubts, and every single word his true. I'll see if I can find a YouTube clip, but don't watch it at work because it'll probably make you cry.
I'll look now.
that none of them are real characters
Robots are way more interesting
- The Big Bang Theory was good fun for a few seasons but hasn't been for a little while now. I don't necessarily blame Amy's character but the descent and her increasing prominence have been coincidental. It has that horrible self-parody/deus ex machina-ish thing going on.
- How I Met Your Mother is abominable. It went straight to that horrible self-parody/deus ex machina-ish thing without even being decent in the first place.
or rather, she has some of the most annoying habits - her obsession with Penny, for example. Penny really should have stopped hanging out with them by now.
Just based on the clothes they make her wear. She's supposed to be the sexy cute neighbor but they dress her like a 14 year old twat.
actually I don't think it's right to go that far
two apartments across the hall from each other, implausably large rooms, big gang of friends, silly love story where the pretty girl and the geek get together.
It was perfect for late morning channel 4, I used to skip lectures sometimes to watch it.
i loved the show, it was perfect late morning school holidays stuff, golden times
hard to find Ed afficionados these days!
but I can only watch an episode once. It doesn't have that lasting comical factor where you find it funny after the 10th watch, it just gets boring so quickly. It also seems to be losing the plot a bit now. The point of Sheldon is that he's stuck in his ways and WILL NEVER change...but now has a girlfriend? Not happening.
Its a different kind of comedy - a cheap one. Its got nothing on Community or P&R...or even Modern Family. I put Mo Fam in that category but its miles better and just nicer to watch.
HIMYM though....why are people obsessed with it? My brother loves it but I don't get it. Its just a bit heh rather than HA.
it's quite underrated
Its just one of those nice comedies. Not every episode is hilarious but some are and it just wins it for me. And it helps a little that I'm massively, massively in love with Phil Dunphy.
Have you seen the new series yet? only one episode has come out but its good!
but the ones I have seen have been really enjoyable, for different reasons as well, some are just good character stories whilst some are just outright funny.
with a beard.
sad it went.
<3 Modern Family, it's just like a big hug really
I love the way Gloria says JAY like YAY <3
its massively dropped off now though, the newer ones are pretty terrible.
The Big Bang Theory is perfectly watchable but I never get as excited about it as I do for new episodes of Community or Parks and Rec
90s comedy is different to comedy now.
there some overlap but apparently Seinfeld began and ended about 5 years before both
Not only did they overlap, but Friends on the same channel and same night as Seinfeld.
he has every single symptom, as if they looked it up in a textbook and gave him all of them.
~retreats and awaits next bbc three thread~
The new series of Him and Her airs soon, so you'll probably start it.
King of Queens
The War at Home
Everybody loves Raymond
Let's not pretend it's one of the all-time greats. It's just wallpaper and doesn't warrant particularly deep analysis. Sheldon is a great character and chemistry between the actors is good, but for me, the stories are weak and all the 'nerdy' references are far too obvious.
('it' being 'the tv')
I spent over half the time he's on screen just wishing he'd shut up and just act normal. If they end up saying that he is autistic or something then at least that's an explanation, but at the moment he's just a really smart, really selfish guy with very little compassion or empathy.
Also Howard's mother is just about the worst character to have ever existed
I do watch it pretty much every day with dinner - it's perfectly fine a lot of the time, raises a few laughs, but the main flaw is really that I don't feel any connection to the characters. It's like a TV version of Mumford & Sons - decent, passable fun but I cannot see how it could be anyone's favourite, and could easily see why it so annoys some people.
Also, since everyone's comparing the two, I think HIMYM comes out way on top - sure, Barney is annoying and juvenile as hell, but Marshall is such a great character (almost as good as Chandler), Lily balances crazy and sweet perfectly and I do genuinely like some of the stories they set up. Plus Bryan Cranston has to count for something
fair enough. I am happy that you enjoy it. TV is pretty great isn't it?
except for Seinfield.
was better, but got cancelled too soon