Think I might go see it tomorrow, getting good reviews and it's been a while since I seen a good action film.
Time travel is always good fun.
Time travel always fucks with my mind. But it's worth seeing. (Disappointingly un-hot Joseph Gordon-Levitt though.)
*haven't seen it yet. if you were in dublin i'd say go see it with me
it was super-duper
I couldn't tell if they were cgi'ing up his face to make him more bruce-willis-y or not. It was quite distracting.
To make him more like Bruce
but the poster is awesome
is this the poster they're using in UK cinemas?
Really good but try to go with the flow and stop thinking about the plot holes.
I think the director said he was aiming for a character driven film and not one as scientific as Primer (which is a real headfuck)
More like Twelve Monkeys than the Matrix (as the side of the bus tells you)
Go see. Good fun.
Shane Carruth from Primer (writer, director, dreamweaver, visionary, plus actor) worked on Looper too, helping out with the time travel stuff
I love how someone made this diagram to explain the timelines of Primer.
when someone makes a chart to explain the plot of your film
See bottom right: http://xkcd.com/657/large/
all I hear is how incomprehensible it is
It really needs a few watches to make sense
Its very clever but not necessarily entertaining.
I thought it was really good
Like people have said, it takes a few watches, but it's fairly short (79 mins). Just don't expect too many CGI special effects though
and seemed to understand it easily enough.
It's not like you HAVE to watch it again.
Which meant feet up, no people talking, best seat and no embarrassment if a boner should occur in a sexy scene.
The movie was great, didn't overdo the future too much which is something that always annoyed me. Nothing more annoying that silly little quirks but in here and there, although the TK thing was a little bit silly. That type of evolution would take fucking ages. I liked how a big chunk of the film was away from the city in the country which besides the fancy machinery was basically as you would imagine it now, fair play to the director for that.
I keep it hid.
until he met himself i think. after that not so much
keeping it upright, like those little things when they happen. Like the pizza on the roof in Breaking Bad but not as good.
I thought of the bird (pelican ?) that dives into the sea during the closing scene of Barton Fink.
Definitely stole the show for me, and got the biggest laugh from the crowd. Now we all know what 3 times 8 really is.
wasnt expecting MAYBE SPOILER it to turn into the omen
yeah me either. I didn't really like the VERY ending in that I wanted them to SPOILERSPOILERSPOILER SPOILERSPOILER
kill the little fucker. though I can kind of imagine it fixing the future except for the pretty important fact that loads of loopers etc were still roaming about in the future and would hardly die just cos SPOILER SPOILER the ones in the present did. END OF SPOILERS
Rainmaker was closing loops in the future. Old joe wanted to stop them from killing his wife by going into the past and stopping rainmaker. You missed a lot of the plot it seems.
and the big boss was sent back to the present from the future so assumedly there would be a bunch more bad guys around in the future. Also the time travel technology still exists in the future along with these bad guys, basically he didn't solve anything.
they didn't kill rainmaker= problem is still gonna happen.
from this original time. Wheras i assume he'd also have hired people from the future, currently living in the future as part of the operation.
The whole thing was that the kid didn't see his mother die like he was meant to, which would have shaped his life. It would have meant he would become rainmaker. Instead he lived with his mother and managed to use his power for good(we presume). Joe killed himself because he realised that his selfish future self was the reason rainmaker existed in the first place.
Loopers will keep doing what they were doing, loops will close later on in their careers. Rainmaker will not have taken over in the future and closed loops.
Yeah that was the bit I didn't agree with- he didn't see her die but he saw the sister die. (at his hands) And he still has these horrendous powers which can kill people. It's unlikely that bad things are not gonna happen as a result, didn't seem like a nice kid. Maybe not become rainmaker but still gonna have a bad effect.
So just the assumption that everything will be fine just because of one bad event not happening when there is still a dangerous kid around.
rainmaker didn't run away scared through the field and get on a train so he will grow up happy with his mother. You have to accept that because that is where the plot ended and it was heavily intended at the end that having a mother would not make him a criminal. He probably went on to pull some girls hair though.
if the reason rainmaker turned evil was because bruce willis shot his mum, then in the original timeline rainmaker wouldn't be evil and bruce willis would never have been killed so the next bruce willis wouldn't have gone back in time to kill the rainmaker making him turn evil.
like the who Kyle Reece being John Connor's father in Terminator. It's a paradox.
Although back to Looper if old Bruce Willis got wiped out then would't all the gold in the van we see at the end vanish too?
saying that, I'm not particularly bothered and I don't think it ruins the film or anything
died in the present and obviously his earnings still existed.
That's why Bruce spins round and blocks the shot with it. So when he kills himself he would never have come back from the future and neither would the gold.
Not that i'm bothered, great film anyway.
might have disappeared but there was shit loads more from all the other loopers. Or am I missing something here? Why was all the silver in the van again? I can't remember.
for their massive payday.
It was gold and silver in the van.
The van was the one that Kid Blue and his mates were using to load up JG-L's stashed silver.
(well, there might have been gold there, but if there was, it would have been from the load Bruce Willis brought back).
just an unpleasant kid
I liked the bit where his money was both literally and metaphorically stained with blood.
Had mega low expectations going in and I know there were a lot of loop holes but it didn't annoy me or anything, didn't feel ridiculous or like it was dragging. Can't say the same for Prometheus.
Tommy from 3rd Rock from the Sun's nose made me laugh though.
Had waited a LONG time for it and had absurdly high expectations and it didn't disappoint at all.
They managed to squander a promising idea on two dimensional characters, crappy dialogue and some truly ham-fisted
development (oh what's that? you're clearing up your silver after betraying your friend and there's quite literally blood on your hands?)
it went against the grain a little as the 'present day' joe was not really likeable and set against a future joe who apparently had a decent motive. but then it would've been predictable to have them join forces so the ending and introduction of blunt/theevildemonchild both helped that a bit.
main gripe was the disappearance of future joe. his disappearance was entirely dependent on the death of his past self, and that action was entirely dependent on the presence and actions of future joe, meaning there's no real reason for future joe to disappear from the timeline at all.
but for the wrong reason. ny intrepretation of the time travel here is that there are different permetuations. the old joe kills old old joe and then lives his 30 yeara which are unique to him. then he gets zapped back and trys to get young joe to save the future. problem is hia future already has existes and no longer will. just because joe killed himself only precludes his zapping back from that timeline not from the timeline that old joe ws from, that was a differet joe and a different timeline.
so seeing the old joe vanish made no sense and kinda broke the logic of the loops - killing young joe shouldve done nothong to old joe - his past was intact. it only stoppes young joe from become a version of an old joe, you see?
i read the time travel that way and it made sense all up until the final vanishing part.
I guess the writers explanation would be that the actions between the other looper and his escaped self (limbs dropping off etc) and the message from JGL to Willis on his arm made a direct link between the actions of JGL/Willis in the present day. it built a sense that although JGL was potentially doing something different, it wasn't yet enough to change the future (see: Willis clinging on to the memory of the token oriental woman). so there's no space for a disconnect between JGL/Willis/a third unseen future old joe and the typical time-travel trope of alternate versions of people. JGL/Willis are directly linked and up until a point his 30-year future was always going to play out like it did and that point was his death.
Which is also ridiculous given all the carnage/abe getting fucked up etc.
Argh I'd enjoyed it on leaving the cinema :(
Does Abe die? We never see him get shot, and I'm pretty sure that Kid Blue doesn't see him when he comes around, but if that's the case4, why is Willis so sure that no one else will come after JG-L when they meet on the road.
Also: Is Kid Blue a young Abe? I couldn't see whether Abe had a mashed up foot or hand, but I kind of got the impression that he might be.
We see Abe clearly dead from bullets on the floor. And Kid Blue sees the body.
I also thought Kid Blue might have been young Abe and was waiting for something to happen after Abe smashed his hand with the hammer but nothing did, so... I don't think he was.
I thought Kid Blue came around, and then saw all the dead people in the lobby with him, including the bearded quartermaster (with a bullet hole in his forehead), and then stepped into the corridor, saw some more bodies, and then that was it. I don't remember seeing him make his way up to She's office at all.
Hm. Going to have to watch it again, I think.
Time travel films will always suffer from *well why didn't x happen?* and *well if that happened none of this would've happened* as it's trying to present a series of non linear events in traditional mostly linear narrative.
It's a credit to how good Looper is that I didn't think about any of those points until long after I'd gotten home
Where are his posts?
Yeah, it was alright. His make up/prosthetics were at their most ridiculous when he was waiting for old Joe to first turn up. We were suspending our disbelief anyway so they could have gone easy on that shit too.
How do Abe and his crew know that young Paul Dano/JGL hasn't killed old Paul Dano/JGL and closed their loops?
to be able to track the old versions of people in the past in case the loops are let to run away?
how do the past versions know that a hit is going to appear at a certain time? how do they send messages back to the past?
them arranging to send back loopers at a certain time, so always 11:30am every other Wednesday. Or something.
But why didn't they just kill people and THEN send the corpses back in time? Cause like, it'd save a load of bullshit, like expecting someone to shoot themselves in the face. It was the fact that the body could be tracked that was the issue right?
so anyone near by would be implicated.
didnt willis go round kiling willie nilly in the future tho?
Anyone who moans about plot holes need to watch the above link. Time Travel movies very rarely lack plot holes and as Rian said he needed to keep a pace with the movie. I already want to see it again.
great movie. Really well done.
I don't get what everyone's saying about needing to see it a couple of times for it to make sense. Made perfect sense.
I'll also have to have a closer look at claims that there are plot holes. Seemed reasonably tight to me. There's probably the odd tiny thing here or there, but nothing that I noticed at the time.
in terms of needing to see that several times (i've not seen it so can't comment on that)
Some incredible scenes, notably the child killin and Old Paul Dano's transformation was horrific. The story was wider than the trailer let on. Both versions of Joe had their arguments for sympathy but we all knew futureman wasn't gonna be allowed to be the good guy. Good to see a typical Bruce killin spree though :D
The telekinesis device was pretty cool, your gripe doesn't hold much weight skelly. Great ending, although the mother and child may have been introduced too far in for maximum payoff, but still, that kid did some serious show stealing!
Very straightforward for a TT movie as well, so it's fairly amusing to see youse trying to be SMRT up there
Nobody enters an 80-reply thread not expecting
is taking as though time travel is a fact rather than a theory (a pretty fantastical one at that) and that the fundamentals of this theory are both well known and undisputed.
What was great about Looper as a timetravel movie is precisely the fact that it was premised on a competing theory of time travel, with a different treatment of causality. And it was handled really well and pretty consistently, I think.
The best bit, though, was the knowing gag about not getting into the details of time travel because "if we start talking about it then we're going to be here all day talking about it, making diagrams with straws".
Not what I was expecting at all - top performances by the main cast, thought Willis, Blunt and Levitt were superb as was the kid.
Thought Jeff Daniels was going to look at the camera when he started being all comedy gold about time travel. Great stuff.
The tone was quite weird as well, I mean, I thought it was going to be a standard action flick, but there was a lot of heart and sudden bursts of violence and just... I dunno, it felt weird.
Levitt's eyebrows were amazing.
It was bloody good! I have always fancied the pants of JGL (he was one of my first crushes when he was in 3rd rock from the sun) and I still weirdly fancied him with the weird eyebrows, lips and nose. His face changed a lot. There wasn't a massive amount of consistency in tr make up.
He was great though.
I didn't find it confusing or hard to get y head around which was good as I was expecting it to be like when I left Holy Motors and was all wtf was that about? But no. It was easy to follow and I could understand most of it. That kid though. I'm gonna have nightmares about him screaming.
But yeah, fucking loved it. So much. Film of the year (so far!)
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