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Interesting article this - would anyone here think the kind of preventative treatment it suggests is a bad idea?
is normally the most sensible option, right?
and I agreed with all his sentiments. hyper realist CGI child porn (HRCGICP) it is
good thread (if I do say so myself)
(ah, on reading further, maybe it was bammers originally)
I'm not ready.
thanks for the link
It is difficult to know where to start however, with the issues being so dense. Though I guess in answer to the OP's question, I don't think the article provided a number of reatments, but rather tried to advocate the removal of the paedophile stigma.
It does seem quite problematic, however. The neurological basis for paedophilic urges do seem to mirror the widely-accepted explanations for other sexual deviances (such as homosexuality). But a true parallel can't be drawn here as acting upon said urges requires what almost every legal system would rightfully regard as abuse.
So what we see instead is a proposal for preventative measures, to stop prospective (or actual, depending on definition) paedophiles acting upon there desires. I can't help but be reminded of various religious rganisations claiming to "cure homosexuality". This kind of practice had alarming links to both depression and suicide. The author talks of how many people he saw claimed to be suffering in this way already, but given the side-effects of curing homosexuality, surely greater focus upon "curing paedophilia" would only have similar repucussions.
Then again, is that a more desirable life than possible imprisonment and stigmatisation. Moreover, would it render potential paedophiles less dangerous to children in society?
but you'd hope that the undeniable fact that acting on one's paedophilic urges is harmful to another person might make the psychological impact of "curing" it different to that of homosexuality, where there would be a more even internal conflict?
ie: religion+family vs sexual identity = somewhat even division = conflict = depression
the whole of society vs sexual identity which you appreciate ruins lives = less conflict, hopefully less turmoil and drepression?
dunno, not an expert on p33doz or pyschology or anything really
Based on logic I think I would have to agree that the possibility of internal conflict should be smaller. However I think in the face of a society and self that recognises the morale side of things, you may be less likely to understand you're own feelings i.e "I recognise totally that my urges are wrong, yet I still feel them". Naturally feelings of self-doubt/hate would arise from this which would only lead to damaging mental health issues.
I am also no expert of course.
The two programs (though I don't really want to lend any legitimacy to the "curing homosexuality" thing by calling it "a program") have different targets; they attempt to work on different ethical substances.
My understanding is that the religion-based "curing homosexuality" concept generally attempts to work on desire, to "correct" what is taken to be an "abnormal" *desire*. The bit that is taken as "morally problematic" is the desire itself.
By contrast, at least as represented by that article, the "curing paedophilia" programs aren't really about *curing* paedophilia at all, in the sense of "correcting" an "abnormal" desire. Rather, to the extent that they seem premised on the claim that paedophilic desire is effectively hard-wired into the patient's brain (a claim I'm not entirely satisfied with), they work on *behaviour* and not desire. They work at providing patients with a means to stop themselves from acting on desire: "taking responsibility for one’s actions, identifying triggers, and resisting cravings, as well as developing empathy for potential victims and addressing cognitive distortions that may support unhealthy behavior". The better analogy might be with drug addiction treatment, though the closest analogy may well be existing programs aimed at treating rape offenders.
It may be the case that some approaches to "curing homosexuality" also work on modifying behaviour rather than "correcting" desire, in which case it would be interesting to know whether the depression and suicide rates are different for the different approaches. Even here, though, there's a big difference in the mode of subjection or the source of the moral interdiction. In the case of homosexuality, the church-based operations, at least, imagine the moral authority as the divine law, or, in its most secular form, some notion of human nature: i.e. homosexuality is unnatural, and one should not think homosexual thoughts or commit acts of homosexuality, because it is in defiance of god's law.
In the paedophilia prevention programs discussed in the article, the moral authority seems to be distributed variably across (1) *human* law and social order (i.e. acting on paedophilic urges is against established criminal law); (2) some sense of the integrity and inviolability of *the other* (as indicated by the strategy of "developing empathy for potential victims"); and potentially, but not necessarily (3) some sense of the need to be consistent human nature (i.e. natural law). It's only with this third possible authority that the paedophilia programs risk converging with the church-based operations.
is that a person needs to admit there's a problem.
Got as far as the picture of the kids in the playground before I was spent.
what a crazy, evil, old, batshit cunt that Judith Reisman is.
The last 60 years of stimuli have caused pedophilia? I reckon the Catholic Church has been at it longer than that. Little girls were legally married off to fully grown men prior to that.
Some of the crazy people are pedophiles. Some of the crazy people are scientists. Scientist-pedophiles.
since it was common enough in Ancient Greece for men to have sex with boys.
chemical castration is using drugs to lower testosterone.
genuinely always just assumed it meant injecting the balls with acid til they fell off.
Came here to suggest banning children though.
cos if you are I want my pen back
Needing help. Surely they must exist too?
It's been a scheme in the pipeline for me for ages. Last time I told anyone was a stranger at a family wedding and he wasn't impressed, but I reckon its got legs.
Basically it'll keep the dirty bastards off the streets, and give paedophiles something to do too. ;)